Five Reasons Why Babies Should be Baptized...

[atpollard]

Yes babies can understand and learn so much about faith and the bible

Statements without evidence or proof are just opinions. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

 

[atpollard]

Jesus actually told the disciples how to make more disciples (baptizing and teaching). What benefit would baptism have without teaching?

Sorry, any response would violate the credobaptism thought ban for this topic.
God bless and enjoy your Lutheran rituals.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Yes babies can understand and learn so much about faith and the bible

Statements without evidence or proof are just opinions. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

It's already been posted, but here it is again:

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." (emphasis mine)

The phrase "from a child" is literally "from infancy".

 

[MoreCoffee]

2 Timothy 3:14-15 does not say that Timothy understood (from infancy) what he heard from the scriptures. The point that Paul makes is that Timothy was brought up hearing the holy scriptures of the old testament (the new testament not yet being written when Timothy was an infant).

εἴδω
eídō. To see. This verb is obsolete in the pres. act. for which horáō (G3708), to see with perception, is used. The tenses derived from the meaning of eídō form two families, one of which has exclusively the meaning of to see, the other that of to know. ...
(B) In the sense of to perceive, be aware of, understand. Followed by the acc. of thing (Mat 12:25; Mar 4:13; Mar 12:15; Luk 11:17). Followed by hóti (G3754), that, with the indic. (Mar 2:10; Luk 5:24; Joh 6:61; 1Jn 5:13). Followed by pṓs (G4459), how, in what way, with the indic. (1Ti 3:15). Before an indirect question (Eph 1:18). Oída, perf. tense of eídō, expresses the knowledge which comes from one's state of being, intuitive knowledge.​

 

[atpollard]

It's already been posted, but here it is again:

The phrase "from a child" is literally "from infancy".

Are you claiming that the infants that are baptized already know scripture?
If not, then how is this verse applicable?

The opinion shared was that "babies can understand and learn" about faith and the Bible.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

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[ImaginaryDay2]

2 Timothy 3:14-15 does not say that Timothy understood (from infancy) what he heard from the scriptures. The point that Paul makes is that Timothy was brought (up) hearing the holy scriptures of the old testament (the new testament not yet being written when Timothy was an infant).

εἴδω
eídō. To see. This verb is obsolete in the pres. act. for which horáō (G3708), to see with perception, is used. The tenses derived from the meaning of eídō form two families, one of which has exclusively the meaning of to see, the other that of to know. ...
(B) In the sense of to perceive, be aware of, understand. Followed by the acc. of thing (Mat 12:25; Mar 4:13; Mar 12:15; Luk 11:17). Followed by hóti (G3754), that, with the indic. (Mar 2:10; Luk 5:24; Joh 6:61; 1Jn 5:13). Followed by pṓs (G4459), how, in what way, with the indic. (1Ti 3:15). Before an indirect question (Eph 1:18). Oída, perf. tense of eídō, expresses the knowledge which comes from one's state of being, intuitive knowledge.​

I don't understand your objection. It's not what i was arguing, so you'll have to break it down a bit. The point about the N.T. not being written is moot as it has nothing to do with my post. Btw, what is the link to your reference?

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Are you claiming that the infants that are baptized already know scripture?
If not, then how is this verse applicable?

The opinion shared was that "babies can understand and learn" about faith and the Bible.

Babies can understand and learn many things. It's basic child development.

So let me ask - do you recall when you understood what a 'tree' was - it's shape, texture? Do you recall the first time you understood that when a person leaves a room, it doesn't mean they're "gone"? Most of us don't recall these things, yet we learn them. We grasp the concept. It becomes working knowledge. Did Timothy's caregivers recognize when he 'understood' scripture? Perhaps, perhaps not. But they acted, from his infancy, to bring him up in the word of God.

So Baptism doesn't bestow some special miracle on the infant where scripture is filtered in by osmosis, and I wasn't implying anything of the sort.

 

[psalms 91]

Statements without evidence or proof are just opinions. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Actually thsat was sarcasm, if you read my posts you will find that I am on your side of this

 

[Lamb]

Yes babies can understand and learn so much about faith and the bible

Yes, and the Holy Spirit teaches babies the same way He teaches adults...using the word. The video at the beginning gave scripture to prove that babies can believe. On page 2 I broke down the video and placed the scripture in there (atpollard).

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

εἴδω
eídō. To see. This verb is obsolete in the pres. act. for which horáō (G3708), to see with perception, is used. The tenses derived from the meaning of eídō form two families, one of which has exclusively the meaning of to see, the other that of to know. ...
(B) In the sense of to perceive, be aware of, understand. Followed by the acc. of thing (Mat 12:25; Mar 4:13; Mar 12:15; Luk 11:17). Followed by hóti (G3754), that, with the indic. (Mar 2:10; Luk 5:24; Joh 6:61; 1Jn 5:13). Followed by pṓs (G4459), how, in what way, with the indic. (1Ti 3:15). Before an indirect question (Eph 1:18). Oída, perf. tense of eídō, expresses the knowledge which comes from one's state of being, intuitive knowledge.​

What is the above reference, please.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What is the above reference, please.

The Complete Word Study Dictionary copyright 1993

PS: I wrote a fairly long reply and I thought I posted it but it isn't here ... maybe I previewed instead of posted

 

[Lamb]

God can open a donkey's mouth to speak (Numbers 22)...yet people don't believe that God can give a baby faith?

 

[MoreCoffee]

God can open a donkey's mouth to speak (Numbers 22)...yet people don't believe that God can give a baby faith?

Which people do not believe that God CAN give a baby faith?

 

[Lamb]

Which people do not believe that God CAN give a baby faith?

Those who don't think babies can believe.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Those who don't think babies can believe.

I don't see anybody asserting that it is impossible for babies to believe. Certainly not that God cannot cause a baby to believe.

 

[Lamb]

I don't see anybody asserting that it is impossible for babies to believe. Certainly not that God cannot cause a baby to believe.

I'll provide the related posts then for you:
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=93002#post93002
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=93773#post93773
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=93806#post93806
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=94896#post94896

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'll provide the related posts then for you:
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=93002#post93002
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=93773#post93773
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=93806#post93806
http://christianityhaven.com/showth...y-Babies-Should-be-Baptized&p=94896#post94896

I clicked those links and do not see anybody (I didn't read everything snerfle wrote) say "babies cannot believe" not did anybody say "God cannot make babies believe"

 

[Lamb]

So then you think that everyone here in this thread is in agreement with us that babies can believe?

 

[MoreCoffee]

So then you think that everyone here in this thread is in agreement with us that babies can believe?

Let's be precise. Some will probably believe that babies do not believe without asserting that it is impossible for babies to believe. Saying that babies can't believe is asserting that it is impossible isn't it?