Everybody will acknowledge Jesus is Jehovah

[MoreCoffee]

Saint Paul says a few tings about the Lord Jesus Christ being God but in Philippians chapter two he says that everybody will acknowledge that Jesus is Jehovah to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:5-11 [5] The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had: [6] He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God. [7] Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness. [8] He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death--- his death on the cross. [9] For this reason God raised him to the highest place above and gave him the name that is greater than any other name. [10] And so, in honor of the name of Jesus all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below will fall on their knees, [11] and all will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord [Jehovah], to the glory of God the Father.​

A strongly related passage is in Isaiah 45:23.

 

[visionary]

YHVH is not pronounced with a J.

 

[MoreCoffee]

YHVH is not pronounced with a J.

In Rabbinic Jewish tradition YHWH is not pronounced at all. Christians have used Jehovah as pronunciation in English for several centuries.

 

[Lamb]

I think what she meant is there is no J sound in Hebrew.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think what she meant is there is no J sound in Hebrew.

Yes, possibly - even probably. But I don't use Yahweh often and I do not speak Hebrew so Jehovah is fine with me.

 

[Rens]

YHVH is not pronounced with a J.

except in Holland, here it's JHWH.

 

[psalms 91]

It is pronounced Yah-way

 

[MoreCoffee]

YHWH is not pronounced at all by conservative religious Jews.

English speaking Christians have used Jehovah for a long time. Now some use Yahweh but Yahweh is reconstructed and speculative pronunciation. It isn't known how Moses said YHWH.

 

[Rens]

YHWH is not pronounced at all by conservative religious Jews.

English speaking Christians have used Jehovah for a long time. Now some use Yahweh but Yahweh is reconstructed and speculative pronunciation. It isn't known how Moses said YHWH.

I always thought he said Jahweh with e like in well, but I guess he didn't speak Dutch.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I always thought he said Jahweh with e like in well, but I guess he didn't speak Dutch.

He might have said Yehovah for all we know. It's a lost pronunciation. Nobody living today seems to know how it was said but everybody can give an opinion about it. Jehovah's witnesses think it was Jehovah or maybe Yahweh. Other people may think it was said differently. They are all guessing.

 

[Rens]

nm

 

[visionary]

God knows what we mean, but that doesn't change our efforts to be as accurate as possible.

 

[MoreCoffee]

God knows what we mean, but that doesn't change our efforts to be as accurate as possible.

Why do you think being accurate in pronunciation matters to God? Do you believe God is offended by people who mispronounce יהוה?

אהיה אשר אהיה is what the manuscripts have in the square script for the occasion when God revealed his name to Moses. Notice that the expression is not יהוה. Jehovah's witnesses claim that יהוה is the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Hebrew verb ha·wahʹ which they say means become thus giving יהוה the meaning He Causes to Become. Others say something different. For example, one source claims that "The suffix “HOVAH” is No. 1943 in Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of “ruin, mischief.”" Thus they see Jah-Hovah as meaning god-of-calamity (the site with this derivation is here) - which is rather absurd but it does illustrate how quickly concentration on correct use of יהוה can descent into farce for people who make correct pronunciation and/or use of a specific pronunciation into one of their core beliefs.

Using "the LORD" works fine for English translations of the Hebrew יהוה but Jehovah is fine as a pronounceable Anglicism.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Saint Paul says a few tings about the Lord Jesus Christ being God but in Philippians chapter two he says that everybody will acknowledge that Jesus is Jehovah to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:5-11 [5] The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had: [6] He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God. [7] Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness. [8] He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death--- his death on the cross. [9] For this reason God raised him to the highest place above and gave him the name that is greater than any other name. [10] And so, in honor of the name of Jesus all beings in heaven, on earth, and in the world below will fall on their knees, [11] and all will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord [Jehovah], to the glory of God the Father.​

A strongly related passage is in Isaiah 45:23.

Let's return to the thread's topic explained in the thread's first post (quoted above).

 

[visionary]

Why do you think being accurate in pronunciation matters to God? Do you believe God is offended by people who mispronounce יהוה?

אהיה אשר אהיה is what the manuscripts have in the square script for the occasion when God revealed his name to Moses. Notice that the expression is not יהוה. Jehovah's witnesses claim that יהוה is the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Hebrew verb ha·wahʹ which they say means become thus giving יהוה the meaning He Causes to Become. Others say something different. For example, one source claims that "The suffix “HOVAH” is No. 1943 in Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of “ruin, mischief.”" Thus they see Jah-Hovah as meaning god-of-calamity (the site with this derivation is here) - which is rather absurd but it does illustrate how quickly concentration on correct use of יהוה can descent into farce for people who make correct pronunciation and/or use of a specific pronunciation into one of their core beliefs.

Using "the LORD" works fine for English translations of the Hebrew יהוה but Jehovah is fine as a pronounceable Anglicism.

I think it has more to do with our efforts, than the pronunciation. It is like a foreigner coming to you without knowing your language and in the introductions you try to pronounce his name. The more effort you put into it, the more it is appreciated.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think it has more to do with our efforts, than the pronunciation. It is like a foreigner coming to you without knowing your language and in the introductions you try to pronounce his name. The more effort you put into it, the more it is appreciated.

God is a foreigner?

 

[visionary]

To you probably

 

[MoreCoffee]

To you probably

YHVH is a foreign word, it isn't even pronounceable as it stands. People need to reconstruct it speculatively to arrive at something that can be said in English.

 

[Lamb]

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[Pedrito]

Psalm 110:1:

A Psalm of David. The LORD [Yahweh, Jehovah] said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

Hebrews 1:13:

But to which of the angels, did He [God] say at any time, Sit on My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool?

If the [Yahweh, Jehovah] and [God] above are correct, then MoreCoffee's [Jehovah] in his reproduction of Philippians 2:11 (and all will openly proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord [Jehovah], to the glory of God the Father) must be incorrect. Is that not so?

Pedrito also brings the above verses to the attention of visionary, who has also (from memory) expressed the idea that the Jesus of the New Testament was the Yahweh of the Old.

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To whom was Yahweh speaking in Psalm 110:1?

Pedrito is open to wisdom.