1948 was pivitol

[Cassia]

I agree that theremnant will be in harmony but I would caution against accepting what may very well be the one world religion although the way it is going I think the difference willl be very clear

I think it'll all come out in the wash. Consider the seven Spirits of God, what have you been taught about that thru revelation or teachings?

Revelation 1:4
John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
Revelation 1:14
His head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; his eyes were like a flame of fire,
Revelation 4:4
Around the throne are twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones are twenty-four elders, dressed in white robes, with golden crowns on their heads.
Revelation 5:6
Then I saw between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders a Lamb standing as if it had been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

One lampstand but seven functions. The Spirit of God has intensified sevenfold to accomplish God's work on earth shown by the repeated emphasis on the Spirit speaking in Rev 2:7,11,17,29; Rev 3:6,13,22; Rev 14:13; Rev 22:17
Grace and peace had eminated from the Father and Son in earlier epistles but now the Spirit is included to impart grace and peace to the churches.

Song of Songs 5:2 Christ's eyes are the expression of love but here they are like a flame of fire that observes and searches so that He can exercise enlightened judgements. His seeing with seven eyes is the complete picture because seven is the number of completion.
Daniel 10:6

The elders in the picture are not the elders of the church but the elders of the angels, because here, before the Lord's second coming, they are sitting on thrones already Matt. 19:28; Rev. 20:4. Among God's creation the angels are the most ancient ones. Their elders are the elders of the whole creation of God. That they sit on thrones with golden crowns on their heads indicates that they must be the ones who rule the universe until the millennial kingdom, when the authority to rule the earth will be given to the overcoming saints Heb. 2:5-9; Rev. 2:26-27; Rev 20:4. That they are clothed in white garments and have a harp and golden bowls full of incense Rev 5:8 indicates that now they are also priests before God; in the millennial kingdom, however, the reigning overcomers will be the priests of God and of Christ Rev 20:6. The elders' golden crowns indicate that they are also ruling ones. Therefore, they are priests serving God and kings reigning over His creation.

Seven lamps show the enlightenment of the Spirit of God for God's building, Exo 25:37, Zech 4:2 (building and rebuilding of the temple) but here the seven lamps of judgment will also issue in God's building; for the building of the New Jerusalem.

Zechariah 3:9
For here is the stone that I have set before Joshua - upon one stone are seven eyes. I will engrave its engraving, declares Jehovah of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zechariah 4:7
Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain, and he will bring forth the topstone with shouts of Grace, grace to it.
Zechariah 4:10
10 For who has despised the day of small things? For these seven rejoice when they see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel; they are the eyes of Jehovah running to and fro on the whole earth.

 

[psalms 91]

That seems right to me other than building New Jerusalem as it already exists in the heavenlies. I also see a striking resemblance to us as priests and kings. Could these elders be from a preAdamite world?

 

[Cassia]

That seems right to me other than building New Jerusalem as it already exists in the heavenlies. I also see a striking resemblance to us as priests and kings. Could these elders be from a preAdamite world?

I think anything from the preAdamic would be denomic. I had a thread on Eschatology (cf) called 'Casting Crowns' about that verse. Lots of scripture there to figure out. But not many people posting that were not predisposed to believe that the elders are the church even tho there is so much evidence against that belief.

What verses do you have that the city of the New Jerusalem already exists in heaven? I know the true temple is there already...

 

[psalms 91]

Does it not say in Revelation that it descends from heaven? Not that it is being built

 

[Cassia]

Does it not say in Revelation that it descends from heaven? Not that it is being built

I guess it depends if you think NJ is a building or not. I don't think it's made up of anything more than living stones being built up together.

 

[psalms 91]

I guess it depends if you think NJ is a building or not. I don't think it's made up of anything more than living stones being built up together.

It also says that those who are the bride that that is their home

 

[Cassia]

It also says that those who are the bride that that is their home

I don't know about that but I know it says the New Jerusalem is our mother. Galations 4 has the analogy of the free and bond woman. Isaac is the child of promise and Sarah depicts grace. Grace is the mother of the child of promise.

 

[Cassia]

It also says that those who are the bride that that is their home

Yet it also says that the overcomers of the church of Philidelphia will have the name of the city of New Jerusalem written on them :dunno:

 

[Cassia]

And the foundation stones have the names of the 12 disciples written on them so as far as the city itself being NJ that is circular reasoning. Not something that I find having more weight than the analogy of the grace.

But post #41 was about the 7 spirits of God which isn't about the NJ except in passing.

 

[visionary]

Quick review for those who do not know about the Jubilee. The Jubilee (Hebrew יובל yūḇāl) year is the year at the end of seven cycles of shemitah years. A Jubilee year occurs once every 49 years on the 50th year which is the 1st of the next 49 years. I have seen it written in some place that the Jubilee can be referred to as the 'Super Shemitah' which is the name of every seventh year. According to Biblical regulations the Jubilee year is all about re-establishment of the true ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel. In other words, the Jubilee deals largely with land, property, and property rights; and returning to one's land and clan.

Leviticus 25:8 “'You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years."

Leviticus 25:10 "And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you, when each of you shall return to his property and each of you shall return to his clan."

In the Jewish calendar, 1917 - 1918 was a Jubilee year starting on September 4, 1917 and by November of 1917 World War I ended, with Great Britain receiving the mandate from the League of Nations to oversee the Palestine territory, after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. November of 1917, the Balfour Declaration, written by British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour, established "a national home for the Jewish people" in their ancient homeland of Israel.

It is quite amazing that the historic Balfour Declaration occurred in a Jubilee year. The significance of giving the Jews on their Jubilee year their land and property rights to Israel is only a declaration to God be the glory for only His hand in this could have made it happen.

The Jubilee year is also the first year of the following 49 year cycle, added to the 1917-1918 jubilee year, makes the fiftieth year, 1966-1967 a Jubilee year. This was the year of the 6-Day War, in which Israel regained possession of their ancient capital of Jerusalem.

If this pattern were to continue, my guess, it could mean that the Temple Mount would come under Jewish control following Jubilee promises of return.

First, to the land in Israel (Jubilee of 1917-1918).
Second, to their ancient capital city of Jerusalem (Jubilee of 1966-1967).
Third, Temple Mount grounds ?? (Jubilee of 2015-2016?). I haven't seen anything yet but we have until October 3, 2016. Currently, Israeli citizens, are not allowed on the grounds at all.

 

[psalms 91]

Quick review for those who do not know about the Jubilee. The Jubilee (Hebrew יובל yūḇāl) year is the year at the end of seven cycles of shemitah years. A Jubilee year occurs once every 49 years on the 50th year which is the 1st of the next 49 years. I have seen it written in some place that the Jubilee can be referred to as the 'Super Shemitah' which is the name of every seventh year. According to Biblical regulations the Jubilee year is all about re-establishment of the true ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel. In other words, the Jubilee deals largely with land, property, and property rights; and returning to one's land and clan.

Leviticus 25:8 “'You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years."

Leviticus 25:10 "And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you, when each of you shall return to his property and each of you shall return to his clan."

In the Jewish calendar, 1917 - 1918 was a Jubilee year starting on September 4, 1917 and by November of 1917 World War I ended, with Great Britain receiving the mandate from the League of Nations to oversee the Palestine territory, after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. November of 1917, the Balfour Declaration, written by British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour, established "a national home for the Jewish people" in their ancient homeland of Israel.

It is quite amazing that the historic Balfour Declaration occurred in a Jubilee year. The significance of giving the Jews on their Jubilee year their land and property rights to Israel is only a declaration to God be the glory for only His hand in this could have made it happen.

The Jubilee year is also the first year of the following 49 year cycle, added to the 1917-1918 jubilee year, makes the fiftieth year, 1966-1967 a Jubilee year. This was the year of the 6-Day War, in which Israel regained possession of their ancient capital of Jerusalem.

If this pattern were to continue, my guess, it could mean that the Temple Mount would come under Jewish control following Jubilee promises of return.

First, to the land in Israel (Jubilee of 1917-1918).
Second, to their ancient capital city of Jerusalem (Jubilee of 1966-1967).
Third, Temple Mount grounds ?? (Jubilee of 2015-2016?). I haven't seen anything yet but we have until October 3, 2016. Currently, Israeli citizens, are not allowed on the grounds at all.

Yes, what a travisty and perversion of land rights. The Jewish are the ones who should be allowed on and should also own it

 

[MoreCoffee]

1948 was a year for making big mistakes that may lead to many more wars and deaths.

 

[visionary]

1948 was a year for making big mistakes that may lead to many more wars and deaths.

And what mistake is that?

 

[MoreCoffee]

And what mistake is that?

For worldly politics to disturb the peace of the holy land; to start wars and lay the foundation for more wars. For wicked men and women to kill one another and to kill the innocent in the name of nationalism and for greed and to steal land. For Jews and Muslims to act shamefully and disgrace the name of God in their blasphemous claims about the land and themselves.

 

[psalms 91]

The Jews own that land biblically and it was only right that it be given to them and even then it was begrusdged, they have given up land in the name of peace and have never started a war but they have finished them.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No one owns land permanently, the land outlasts the people who live on it. The land what once belonged to the Canaanites was in the hands of Israel and Judah for a time and then in the hands of Palestinian Arabs for a longer time. 1948 was the time when military super-powers unjustly divided it up since then that land is in dispute. There was a war in 1948, another not too long after, then one in 1967, another in 1972, and many undeclared wars since. The decision of 1948 was a serious error of judgement. It cost lives, probably millions of lives by now.

 

[psalms 91]

No error at all, it all fits with Gods end time plans as well as restored what was rightly theirs.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No error at all, it all fits with Gods end time plans as well as restored what was rightly theirs.

No, the 1948 decision does not fit God's plan for Christianity but it does fit into God's secret purposes. The faithful ought not call wicked things good. Dispossessing the native inhabitants of the land in 1948 was a wicked act.

 

[visionary]

For worldly politics to disturb the peace of the holy land; to start wars and lay the foundation for more wars. For wicked men and women to kill one another and to kill the innocent in the name of nationalism and for greed and to steal land. For Jews and Muslims to act shamefully and disgrace the name of God in their blasphemous claims about the land and themselves.

In what year has there been peace in the Holy Land? The crusades were all about war to gain the Holy Land, are you claiming catholic innocence in not participating in Holy Land wars?

 

[MoreCoffee]

In what year has there been peace in the Holy Land? The crusades were all about war to gain the Holy Land, are you claiming catholic innocence in not participating in Holy Land wars?

In the period of Ottoman Empire control there was peace in the holy land until the Crusades and then peace again after the Crusades were finished.