Why the need to modernize and adjust for worship?

[George]

Tonight I was thinking this. Why do some feel they need to modernize?

 

[psalms 91]

Why not, we have a contemporary service and a traditional one and I love both

 

[Lamb]

Tonight I was thinking this. Why do some feel they need to modernize?

Because they don't understand how scriptural the liturgical services are. They are blind to it and are told it's BAD. People today want to be entertained to FEEL the spirit and not realize that within the traditional liturgy that God's Word is filling it throughout so there you have the Holy Spirit.

 

[psalms 91]

To me it matters little how we worship, as long as we do

 

[Rens]

Tonight I was thinking this. Why do some feel they need to modernize?

For seekers I think and for christians too.
When my brother and I got saved he went to all kinds of churches to see which one he liked. I had been in a reformed church twice with a wedding and it was so totally boring, that when I was convinced that God existed I really didn't want to go to church. I thought they were all the same. But my brother found a nice pentecostal one and he did a lot of effort to tell me it was really nice there. I went with Christmas. It was horribly boring with all those kids plays and an old man preaching the same thing over and over, because he forgot. But the youth group is really nice! my brother said. He was right. I went and I stayed. Had it been such a boring black socks church we call them, where you may not even ride a car on sunday and have to wear a hat and sing only with organ music, I do not think I would have returned.
Some churches go too far though nowadays, to please the people.

 

[Josiah]

Tonight I was thinking this. Why do some feel they need to modernize?

Well..... I doubt anyone worships as Adam and Eve (or even Abraham) did.... thus ALL have, at some point, "modernized" things, changed things. Some styles may be older than others - but it's all comparatively relevant since ALL have "changed" (no doubt considered modernizing and improving) things.


I'm a traditionalist when it comes to worship, but I think all this is "adiaphora" - a matter that is not binding and need not be universal. But I'm very aware that MANY have no experience or "roots" with Christian worship; most of the "Gen X'ers" I know didn't grow up in the church and their only experience with worship is a wedding or two and perhaps a funeral (and in those, the "worshipper" is typically pretty passive). I think it makes sense to write the service in such a way that will NOT be a wall, a barrier, "weird" to them but rather something they can relate to and immediately participate in; I think that the "contemporary" services we see in some Catholic and Protestant churches makes sense especially in this NEW "post church" culture where people don't grow up in the church, where (once again - after some 1500 years) we are approaching non-Christians, unchurched folks.



My half cent.


Pax Christi


- Josiah




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[Rens]

and to get them to move I think lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDm4nLeF8io

 

[Rens]

Well..... I doubt anyone worships as Adam and Eve (or even Abraham) did.... thus ALL have, at some point, "modernized" things, changed things. Some styles may be older than others - but it's all comparatively relevant since ALL have "changed" (no doubt considered modernizing and improving) things.


I'm a traditionalist when it comes to worship, but I think all this is "adiaphora" - a matter that is not binding and need not be universal. But I'm very aware that MANY have no experience or "roots" with Christian worship; most of the "Gen X'ers" I know didn't grow up in the church and their only experience with worship is a wedding or two and perhaps a funeral (and in those, the "worshipper" is typically pretty passive). I think it makes sense to write the service in such a way that will NOT be a wall, a barrier, "weird" to them but rather something they can relate to and immediately participate in; I think that the "contemporary" services we see in some Catholic and Protestant churches makes sense especially in this NEW "post church" culture where people don't grow up in the church, where (once again - after some 1500 years) we are approaching non-Christians, unchurched folks.



My half cent.


Pax Christi


- Josiah




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Yes why don't we have those nice Jewish dances in church? Why did they have to modernize it anyway, so it needs to be modernized again, well if people want to. There are flavours for everyone. It depends a lot on culture. Imagine those Africans having to sit still in a boring Dutch reformed service. I wonder if they could if they wanted to.

 

[Lamb]

Yes why don't we have those nice Jewish dances in church? Why did they have to modernize it anyway, so it needs to be modernized again, well if people want to. There are flavours for everyone. It depends a lot on culture. Imagine those Africans having to sit still in a boring Dutch reformed service. I wonder if they could if they wanted to.

Jewish dances weren't done in the temple but out in the streets.

 

[psalms 91]

Jewish dances weren't done in the temple but out in the streets.

Nothing wrong with dancing as long as it is to honor God but if for attention then sit down

 

[visionary]

Nothing wrong with dancing as long as it is to honor God but if for attention then sit down

Isn't that true no matter what the activity, if preaching for attention sit down, if singing for attention then sit down...etc

 

[psalms 91]

Isn't that true no matter what the activity, if preaching for attention sit down, if singing for attention then sit down...etc

Yup and if it happens no need to shut down the activity God is capable of dealing with the person

 

[tango]

Tonight I was thinking this. Why do some feel they need to modernize?

I guess we could ask why some feel they need to resist change

Seriously, I think it's very easy to insist that nothing can ever change because we've always done it this way, and it's also easy to change for the sake of change.

Personally I'm the kind of person that struggles with things being too repetitive from week to week because I find it increasingly easy to just zone out and recite something from memory. At that point it really loses its meaning for me because even though the words are the same and have the same meaning, the service becomes little more than "and this is the bit where we say the Apostles Creed" so I zone out and recite a bunch of things that begin "We believe" from memory without really stopping to think about it. Personally I like prayers that come from the heart rather than prayers that come from a book that somebody else wrote (the only real exception to this is the Lord's Prayer) - I don't care for responsive prayers in church and if I'm giving thanks at mealtime I refuse to use a prayer from a book. But that's just me.

 

[Rens]

Jewish dances weren't done in the temple but out in the streets.

The church has to get out of the building anyway lol.

 

[Rens]

Nothing wrong with dancing as long as it is to honor God but if for attention then sit down

Yes and if they sit down to seek attention stand up and jump.

 

[Lamb]

The church has to get out of the building anyway lol.

We are to live our lives as little Christs.

 

[visionary]

We are to live our lives as little Christs.

There is nothing "little" about it.

 

[Lamb]

Well, we can't be the big honcho now can we?

 

[Tigger]

While being an EO catechumen I learned sooooo much about Christian history, theology & incorporating those things into practice within the liturgy.

 

[visionary]

Well, we can't be the big honcho now can we?

The task ahead is no less than what Yeshua asked of us, that He Himself did.