Name those sins Christ didn't die for

[Lamb]

God is the one who works repentance in us.

The Law states that the sinful deserve eternal punishment "Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Matt. 25:41,46)

Those who reject the forgiveness of sins do not receive it. But it's won for us at the cross. Repentance is how God works to turn us away from sin, toward HIM and gives us the forgiveness won at the cross.

 

[psalms 91]

God is the one who works repentance in us.

The Law states that the sinful deserve eternal punishment "Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Matt. 25:41,46)

Those who reject the forgiveness of sins do not receive it. But it's won for us at the cross. Repentance is how God works to turn us away from sin, toward HIM and gives us the forgiveness won at the cross.

Yes and thus not all are saved

 

[Lamb]

Yes and thus not all are saved

Nope, not all are saved. Those who reject damn themselves.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes and also those who fall away

 

[visionary]

How about those who believe a lie?

 

[psalms 91]

yes they had the truth and believed a lie so yes they are also held responsible

 

[TurtleHare]

How about those who believe a lie?

Do those who believe in a lie have faith or not because it depends on what the lie is you know? Don't you think in some way that Satan has given us lies to believe so that we stop looking to the Savior?

 

[visionary]

He didn't die for unrepentent sins. Since He foreknows, He can be that precise. "That whosoever believeth in Him" part is very important. Whether they believe the gospel before it came true, or after Yeshua, the promised made is kept.

 

[psalms 91]

yes it is the belief and confession

 

[visionary]

Judas

 

[visionary]

Paul’s letter to the Hebrews tell us that "if we sin willfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins" (Hebrews 10:26).

 

[Alithis]

Do those who believe in a lie have faith or not because it depends on what the lie is you know? Don't you think in some way that Satan has given us lies to believe so that we stop looking to the Savior?

whether or not a person has faith Christ is made evident by what they DO ,not what they say .
1. they begin , by faith ..to OBEY him.

 

[Pedrito]

In Post #151 I floated that thought that MoreCoffee might have the proclivity for playing mind games in his posts.

(bill1231 subsequently used the descriptive term “wordplay” in that context – see Post #154.)

It is worthy of note that in his very next post (Post #152) MoreCoffee fell for the red flag trap I had laid, by confirming the veracity of the thought I had floated.

Of course he might attempt to extend the mind game by asking just how the thought was verified, or by employing some other twist. But the recognition that has already been expressed by others regarding his technique, would tend to render that attempt counter-productive. (His post actually provided a fresh example for all to see.)

Please don't misunderstand me. I find it interesting to observe the inner workings of MoreCoffee's mind in this context. (Exercising one's mind is, in the main, a highly beneficial hobby.) And I acknowledge that he reports to God and not to me with respect to his actions and their consequences.

However, Full O Beans identified MoreCoffee's approach as dangerous in Post #135.

The question is, could MoreCoffee actually be turning earnest seekers who read these threads anonymously, away from God, by those questions of his that could well be labelled frivolous?

I hope not. But I wonder about those seekers who lack the level of “Christian maturity” required to be able to accurately discern the nature and purpose of MoreCoffee's posts. Will they have (do they have, have they had) understanding enough to obtain help and encouragement from what they are reading, rather than being turned off?


After all ….

This is supposed to be a Haven, is it not?

 

[Pedrito]

And now I have a request for understanding with respect to something I have always found puzzling.

In Post #161, Lämmchen offered:

God is the one who works repentance in us.

The Law states that the sinful deserve eternal punishment "Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Matt. 25:41,46)

Those who reject the forgiveness of sins do not receive it. But it's won for us at the cross. Repentance is how God works to turn us away from sin, toward HIM and gives us the forgiveness won at the cross.

The references in that offering were extracted from Jesus' broader proclamation in Matthew 25:31-46:

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee ? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee ?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

What puzzles me is, Jesus is here talking about salvation related to works – specific works.


1. Is not the “Evangelical” Gospel as normally expressed, incompatible with those words from the mouth of Jesus?

2. With respect to people who consider themselves Evangelical Christians, as well as people who consider themselves and others to be saved because they have been baptised as infants by an acceptable church, etc.: are those people actually in danger if they are not in the habit of giving meat to the hungry, giving drinks to people who are thirsty, opening their houses to strangers, clothing naked people, visiting sick people, and spending time with people who are in prison?


If the Bible is indeed the Inspired Revelation From God to us (and I believe it to be so), then must it not be inherently consistent in the ideas it presents to us, across the “whole counsel of God”?


3. So just what was Jesus conveying to His hearers in that proclamation?

4. And what did His hearers actually understand Him to be telling them at that particular moment?

5. Don't Jesus' words convey the concept of salvation for anyone and everyone who practices the works nominated, irrespective of any identifiable faith status?

6. And if be said that for Christians in our day, Jesus' proclamation relates to the “works” that are the true expression of a person's having the status “saved” (however expressed), then:

• How can those works be identified?
• What can be concluded if such works appear absent?
• What is our responsibility to people who believe they are saved by some recognised mechanism, if such works appear absent in their lives?

Specific wisdom regarding each of the numbered questions above, would be appreciated.

 

[Lamb]

Is it our job to focus on works?

 

[psalms 91]

Yup those who refuse to see that we have works not for salvation but because of it and that we are commanded to do certain things have a false doctrine

 

[Lamb]

Our work are because we have salvation, yes, I agree! The Holy Spirit is the one guiding us into the good works He has planned for us to. We do them.

 

[visionary]

You know, some people think that they are doing the right things for the right reasons... but deceive themselves and others. You know they say that if you tell a lie long enough, pretty soon everyone believes the lie and when the truth be told, it is considered a lie. Only prayer and sincere study of the Word of God can take the blinders off.

 

[psalms 91]

Problem is that many are not connecting it properly

 

[visionary]

Problem is that many are not connecting it properly

They can't if they are too busy trusting religious leaders and not trusting the Word of God to say what it means.