The arguments for Sunday

[MoreCoffee]

Show me the numbers of the ten commandments in the holy scriptures. Show me where they are designated "the first, second, third, ... eighth, ninth, tenth" or stop complaining about the numbering I use. And before you accuse me of telling lies consider the commandment against bearing false witness against your neighbour. You, I think, will soon discover that you owe me an apology. I wonder if you will offer it?

1. "'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. "'You shall have no other gods before me. "'You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
2. "'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
3. "'Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ass, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.
4. "'Honour your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
5. "'You shall not kill.
6. "'Neither shall you commit adultery.
7. "'Neither shall you steal.
8. "'Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.
9. "'Neither shall you covet your neighbour's wife;
10. and you shall not desire your neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbour's.'

(Deuteronomy 5:6-21)​

Ok. I ask for an apology.

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did you not read what I wrote?

 

[amadeois]

You will get a reply in a few minutes.

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[amadeois]

Yes, I read it

But you made up 2 commandments out of #10.

Though shall not covet thy nrigbours:

a. House
b. Wife
c. Manservant
d. Manservant
e. Ox
f. Assembly
g. Nor anything that is his

All of those things that belong to your neighbour are part of commandment #10.

So the Sabbath is still commandment # 4 and my

APOLOGY IS HEREBY REVOKED

Now I can not trust you and I'll read your posting BUT Zi can not TRUST them

AMEN.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT AMEN MEANS????

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[amadeois]

d. Should be Maidservant.

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[amadeois]

@More Coffee

I believe these forums were created to discuss issues about christianity. Moral issues, correct way of living and others.

All those issues have been presented in the word of God.

I consider the Bible as God's instruction manual for life and is addressed to HIS ENTIRE CREATION: Jews, Christians, Muslims and any other religious groups including those that do not believe in God.

This forum is not a competition of who is right, who is wrong. It is a way to find the truth and to expose those ideas to search for the truth and to FIND IT.

People want to see reasonable presentations based on the worf.

If the original words are presented, then is better.

So peace be with you and may God bless you.

AMEN





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[amadeois]

Word not worf.

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[amadeois]

@More Coffee

You presented an enormous amount of information but you did not mention the original source.

So can we trust that source that is unidentified?

I already DON'T TRUST YOU.

Is not that I don't like, but when you present things that way, then I have my doubts.

I want to be frank with everybody.

ARE YOU?



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[amadeois]

It seams that the case for Sunday is finished.

Amen.

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[Alithis]

The case for sunday was never there

 

[MoreCoffee]

@More Coffee
You presented an enormous amount of information but you did not mention the original source.
So can we trust that source that is unidentified?
I already DON'T TRUST YOU.
Is not that I don't like, but when you present things that way, then I have my doubts.
I want to be frank with everybody.
ARE YOU?
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The source is The Catechism of the Council of Trent. It's about 450 years old give or take a decade or two.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Westminster Confession of Faith - document of the Presbyterian denominations - says this about Sunday & Sabbath

CHAPTER 21
Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day

1. The light of nature showeth that there is a God, who hath lordship and sovereignty over all, is good, and doth good unto all, and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart, and with all the soul, and with all the might. But the acceptable way of worshiping the true God is instituted by himself, and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshiped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scripture.

2. Religious worship is to be given to God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; and to him alone; not to angels, saints, or any other creature: and, since the fall, not without a Mediator; nor in the mediation of any other but of Christ alone.

3. Prayer, with thanksgiving, being one special part of religious worship, is by God required of all men: and, that it may be accepted, it is to be made in the name of the Son, by the help of his Spirit, according to his will, with understanding, reverence, humility, fervency, faith, love, and perseverance; and, if vocal, in a known tongue.

4. Prayer is to be made for things lawful; and for all sorts of men living, or that shall live hereafter: but not for the dead, nor for those of whom it may be known that they have sinned the sin unto death.

5. The reading of the Scriptures with godly fear, the sound preaching and conscionable hearing of the Word, in obedience unto God, with understanding, faith, and reverence, singing of psalms with grace in the heart; as also, the due administration and worthy receiving of the sacraments instituted by Christ, are all parts of the ordinary religious worship of God: beside religious oaths, vows, solemn fastings, and thanksgivings upon special occasions, which are, in their several times and seasons, to be used in an holy and religious manner.

6. Neither prayer, nor any other part of religious worship, is now, under the gospel, either tied unto, or made more acceptable by any place in which it is performed, or towards which it is directed: but God is to be worshiped everywhere, in spirit and truth; as, in private families daily, and in secret, each one by himself; so, more solemnly in the public assemblies, which are not carelessly or willfully to be neglected, or forsaken, when God, by his Word or providence, calleth thereunto.

7. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in his Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.

8. This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations, but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.​

 

[amadeois]

COUNCIL OF TRENT

My take on it.

Why rewrite what was already there in the Word of God?

To control the people coming to the new faith.

BAIT AND SWITCH TSCTICS

If the BIBLE was already here, why write hundred of pages?

TO ME IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE

Too many Councils and the Bible says something interesting in 18:16.

What institutions wears purple and scarlet?

What is going to happen to that institution?

Another religious group was taken hostage to Babylon and they came back with additional writings explaining what was already written. To me that is very suspicious and the jews are using pagan names on their months of their calendar.

What did God commanded them on the first 3 commands?

Muslims picked up a few things from Judaism and Christianity and added some of their own.

WHY ARE WE NOT FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL WRITINGS?

The Bible represents the TRUTH that is JESUS,

AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE

Not those other writings that, I firmly believe, were changed by the greatest deceiver of all times, Lucifer, Luzbelle, the Devil, that angel that became the enemy of God.

AMEN.

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[MoreCoffee]

COUNCIL OF TRENT
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It happened 500 years ago. Long before you were born. And the arguments for Sunday (the First day) go back to the first century AD which is around 2,000 years ago.

 

[visionary]

It happened 500 years ago. Long before you were born. And the arguments for Sunday (the First day) go back to the first century AD which is around 2,000 years ago.

Not by any Jew, nor by any Jewish author of NT.

 

[amadeois]

It does not matter when they wrote it.

IS ANOTHER DECEPTIVE WRITING TO CONTROL WEAK MINDED PEOPLE.

DECEPTION AT ITS BEST.

An human beings nowadays are still believing in false writings invented by man, NOT GOD.

AS I SAID IT BEFORE, YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH OR THE ENEMY?

IS YOUR DECISION.

THE ENEMY ALREADY LOST

DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THE LOOSING TEAM?

THEN GO TO IT.

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[MoreCoffee]

Not by any Jew, nor by any Jewish author of NT.

Jews have their own religion that excludes the new testament. I don't see what their religion has to do with Christian worship issues or Christian theology. Judaism is one of many non-Christian religions.

 

[visionary]

Jews have their own religion that excludes the new testament. I don't see what their religion has to do with Christian worship issues or Christian theology. Judaism is one of many non-Christian religions.

I said the New Testament authors... all Jews with the new religion... and none of them would ever consider any day but Sabbath the day of the Lord.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It does not matter when they wrote it. IS ANOTHER DECEPTIVE WRITING TO CONTROL WEAK MINDED PEOPLE. DECEPTION AT ITS BEST. An human beings nowadays are still believing in false writings invented by man, NOT GOD. AS I SAID IT BEFORE, YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH OR THE ENEMY? IS YOUR DECISION. THE ENEMY ALREADY LOST DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THE LOOSING TEAM? THEN GO TO IT. Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk

So why are you trying to influence other people? Is it so you can dominate their "weak minds" with your SHOUTED OPINIONS?
Calling Catholicism names is not a substantial argument against Catholic teaching. Having a huge whine about Catholicism will not make Catholic teaching any better or worse nor will it make your opinions any better or worse.

 

[Alithis]

So why are you trying to influence other people? Is it so you can dominate their "weak minds" with you SHOUTED OPINIONS?
Calling Catholicism names is not a substantial argument against Catholic teaching. Having a huge whine about Catholicism will not make Catholic teaching any better or worse nor will it make your opinions any better or worse.

Wont make the rcc right either

 

[MoreCoffee]

I said the New Testament authors

No you didn't. You wrote any Jewish author of NT but not one of the new testament authors was Jewish in their religion at the time that they wrote their portions of the NT. They were all Christians. Your opinions keep obscuring the difference between being a Christian and being a Jew who rejects the new testament and who rejects Jesus Christ as messiah and Lord.

... all Jews with the new religion... and none of them would ever consider any day but Sabbath the day of the Lord.

You're just writing your opinions about what you imagine the apostles and first Christians said, did, and thought about keeping the seventh day in opposition to gathering for worship on the first day of the week (Sunday). The new testament on the other hand tells the faithful quite clearly that Christians ought not allow anybody to judge them in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days (Col 2:16-18).