are we saved if we remain in sin -? no

[Alithis]

I think a distinction has to be made between unintentional sin and the sin that we know and do

its a fair comment .
so lets look at it.

we are always to work out our salvation with fer and trembling .. with reverence ,ever desiring to walk in the narrow path the the lord has graciously returned us to .he being the gate of the sheep fold and the door to that path that leads to life .

when it comes to ambiguous unintentional sin
firstly the word unintentioned .. shows there was no will involved this there was noi chosen act of rebellion against the holy Spirit
-and then - you use the term sin we do not know about .. if we do not know about it then how is it sin..
adman and eve did not know they were naked ..in their innocence they walked without shame . in christ and the new nature of the holy spirit which he places in us we are reconciled to god in peace
we know the holy Spirit will convict us of sin .. so where he does not do so we need not be concerned for we once again by the blood of christ walk in innocence .

but when he convicts us .. and he tells us very plainly that what we are intending to do IS sin.. then we must rebel against him in order to Do that sin .

So it brings us full circle BACK to obeying or disobeying the holy Spirit .. not walking according to a set of ordinances. but having died into christ's death we are free from that law to now live in the law of the spirit of life ..which is to listen to and obey the holy Spirit .
and again- since he TELLS US what is right to do and convicts us if we are getting it wrong -- we cannot commit unintentional sin we do not know about as long as we HAVE the Holy Spirit to listen to and obey -because he convicts us of sin that we might turn from it ..

it is truly a wondrous salvation the lord has reconciled us to god with ..it is full it is not partial .
all the more reason that we should walk in it as the scriptures continuously instruct and admonish us to do.

 

[Alithis]

I told a lie yesterday. You can buy a family card for a kids park and then grandpa's and grandma's can go with the same card. So I gave the name of my parents and next time had to bring the pics. I said: Mom you can go too for free! What? We're not going there. We're way too old. Hm, well, the dad can go on the same card, but I'm divorced and it's so stupid to ask if he and his wife can go with the kids instead. I looked it up on internet if that was possible, but everything is for normal families and exes don't get that idea I think. So whatever, I just gave their pics instead.
Those are grandpa and grandma? she asked.
Yes.
I also had to laugh while saying it.
They won't go anyway. Not gonna change it. I said sorry Lord and left the lie intact. Is that grandpa? hahahahahahahaha

a little lost in translation there

 

[TurtleHare]

it does not ever have to be this way
i was ,past tense , this way but the lord worked in me GODLY repentance so that i do not do that sin any more ..

either we believe and so place our faith in him to do as he has promised
or we disbelieve and exercise no faith and remain in sin .

to be unrepentant of sin.. is to remain unsaved

Answer Lammchen's question then will you since you call people liars and are disrespectful and pretty much acting like a Kindergartner on here and then you claim you don't remain in sin yet here you are being not a Christ-like person on a Christian forum. I see your sin but you're in big denial and deceiving your own mind since you remain in this sin and refuse to give it up and according to your beliefs that makes you not saved.

 

[Alithis]

Answer Lammchen's question then will you since you call people liars and are disrespectful and pretty much acting like a Kindergartner on here and then you claim you don't remain in sin yet here you are being not a Christ-like person on a Christian forum. I see your sin but you're in big denial and deceiving your own mind since you remain in this sin and refuse to give it up and according to your beliefs that makes you not saved.

have already answered .
as for the rest of this personal non topical accusatory post ..if any of it were true you'd be so much better? lol.. my my .
'you see my sin do you ..??. . from your keyboard i guess .lol.

i have not accused any of sin . I have asked them what sin they are referring to .
but agreeing with the scriptures as to the truth that the lord jesus has set us FREE by HIS BLOOD SHED ,and we do not have to walk in sin any more and only do so because we choose to .. has caused many to recently attack and accuse me .. that is an interesting response as innocence needs no justification.

 

[Alithis]

which part of this do we disagree with...?
i agree with ALL of it.

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Alithis]

"If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these the wrath of God is coming. In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.............."

the thing is ,i just can't find any scripture that says .."you're only human, just carry on sinning and dont worry about it "..

I see a lot of people promoting that unscriptural view .. but i never see God stating it .
so to agree with God I must disagree with man? so be it . for we cannot be both pleasers of god and pleasers of men


"Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?"
well it is clear then that who we chose to serve after we have been set free has absolute impact on our final end .

"But thanks be to God, that you who were (past tense)once slaves of sin have become(present tense)obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin,(not left prisoners to it ) have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. "

so again.. :i just cant see ANY instructions to carry on sinning and not be concerned about it .since the continued practice of sin leads to death ..we should be extremely concerned and repent quickly to cease from it .
for EVERYTHING christ suffered for us was due to OUR sin.. why would we then cause his anguish to increase and so grieve him all the more by continuing on in that which he suffered so greatly to save us from..
and then say -we love him ? our words are made false in a declaration which our actions deny .

 

[Lamb]

so again.. :i just cant see ANY instructions to carry on sinning and not be concerned about it .

Please provide proof that ANYONE here has promoted this belief that you're accusing.

You are the one who has name called and refuse to see it as a sin. So carry on?

 

[Alithis]

Please provide proof that ANYONE here has promoted this belief that you're accusing.

You are the one who has name called and refuse to see it as a sin. So carry on?

Scroll back and view how many times people in this thread have stated "all christians sin".. as if it perfectly normal and acceptable to continue to do that for which christ died to set you free.
There is your evidence .To state that your remain under the power and control of sin is to state that Christ has not yet saved you from it.
So which is it? You are either set free and so continue knowingly in sin because you rebel against god... Or... You have not yet been set free. -simple. Did christ come to deliver or did he not mean what he says.which is it.

Then.. Go back and put the statement back into context with the whole thread topic and the sentiment is we documented.

Now,Some have suggested we all sin unknowingly..
That begs the question.. How do they know.because if they know they sin it is not unknowingly.so they must choose to do so.

Some have suggested we sin unintentionally ..this is a more reasoned thought line.
But since all sin is lawlessness and since we have the holy spirit who convicts us.., (if we have indeed recieved the holy Spirit) We can only behave lawlessly if we resist him,..but to resist him denotes will and intent.
So such sin cannot be unintentional.


If some one says a lie about you and you know it is a lie,,so you say .. "You a liar "
That is not a sin.
If some one misrepresents you and you say "you are misrepresenting what i have said".
That,is not a sin either.

Search out the motive of the heart..
I have stated rather simply only what the scriptures state.
So much so that i recently simply posted just scripture.

I find it interesting.even telling,that the only response has been to attemp to attack the person ..but no one has replied to the content posted..
All the replies are biting at me the person, accusing me of some ambiguious sin they cannot name. But none Addressed the direct unambigous scripture.

Now back to the topic.
Are we saved if we continue in sin..?No.. For if we continue in the practice of sin then we have not yet repented of it.

Now i will again return to direct scripture as it words it all more the sufficiently .

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[Alithis]

which part of this do we disagree with...? <br />
i agree with ALL of it.<br />
<br />
<b><font color="#0000CD">What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. <br />
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. <br />
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.<br />
<br />
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. <br />
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.</font></b>

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[Lamb]

Scroll back and view how many times people in this thread have stated "all christians sin".. as if it perfectly normal and acceptable to continue to do that for which christ died to set you free.
There is your evidence .To state that your remain under the power and control of sin is to state that Christ has not yet saved you from it.
So which is it? You are either set free and so continue knowingly in sin because you rebel against god... Or... You have not yet been set free. -simple. Did christ come to deliver or did he not mean what he says.which is it.

Then.. Go back and put the statement back into context with the whole thread topic and the sentiment is we documented.

Now,Some have suggested we all sin unknowingly..
That begs the question.. How do they know.because if they know they sin it is not unknowingly.so they must choose to do so.

Some have suggested we sin unintentionally ..this is a more reasoned thought line.
But since all sin is lawlessness and since we have the holy spirit who convicts us.., (if we have indeed recieved the holy Spirit) We can only behave lawlessly if we resist him,..but to resist him denotes will and intent.
So such sin cannot be unintentional.


If some one says a lie about you and you know it is a lie,,so you say .. "You a liar "
That is not a sin.
If some one misrepresents you and you say "you are misrepresenting what i have said".
That,is not a sin either.

Search out the motive of the heart..
I have stated rather simply only what the scriptures state.
So much so that i recently simply posted just scripture.

I find it interesting.even telling,that the only response has been to attemp to attack the person ..but no one has replied to the content posted..
All the replies are biting at me the person, accusing me of some ambiguious sin they cannot name. But none Addressed the direct unambigous scripture.

Now back to the topic.
Are we saved if we continue in sin..?No.. For if we continue in the practice of sin then we have not yet repented of it.

Now i will again return to direct scripture as it words it all more the sufficiently .

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You have twisted what people have said thinking they're saying something differently and that's not the case.

 

[Alithis]

You have twisted what people have said thinking they're saying something differently and that's not the case.

Feel free to clarify..
In light od direct scripture we are..
Set free from sins power
Given power to overcome
Able to put to death the desires of the flesh
Able to submit ourselves to either sin unto death or rightousness unto life.
Made a new creature in christ
Given power to become sons of God
Redeemed.
The list goes on ..
But never NEVER ..does the scripture state that at ANY time we who are in christ are compelled beyond our own will to continue in action we know to be a sin.

So do clarify..what exactly is it your opposing?
My style or presentation... Fair enough.
The harshness by which i present it..its sure not palatable to many..

But thecontent itself is summerized in these words...
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

 

[Lamb]

Oh, to be sure you have twisted what people have said because you are only thinking of one path concerning sin.

You have stated something about stopping unambiguous sin. Okay, so have you answered this question yet in this thread?

Do you love the Lord God with all your heart? That question comes from the command of our Lord Jesus and it also ties into the first commandment. You know the first commandment and yet you are saying you have stopped unambiguous sin. So I ask you are you now fully obeying the first commandment or are you sinning against God by not fully and I MEAN FULLY obeying it?

It has been brought to your attention that if you disobey the first commandment you have disobeyed them all. These sins you knowingly do every day even though you are ashamed to admit it.

Do you know if you hate your neighbor that you aren't fully obeying God and showing Love to Him? How can you love Him fully if you hate your neighbor who is created in His image?
Do you know that if you purposely provoke your neighbor that you disobey God? (Liar liar pants on fire was meant to provoke, it wasn't a kind way to respond to your neighbor to teach or correct no matter what you try to say to weasel out of it).

It's been proven to you that you haven't discontinued all sin and that you even sometimes purposely sin and try to talk your way out and insisting it isn't sin. Your idea of what sin is doesn't encompass all of what scripture says it is.

It isn't that you MUST sin because must means that it is a necessity to do. That's your failure in wording. The point is that you DO still sin and you do it purposely as pointed out as well as not even realizing that it's sin.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It may be possible to cease engaging in wilful serious sins, right?

Perhaps it is possible to cease engaging in wilful minor sins.

If Job was what Jehovah said he was then perhaps it is possible to cease doing evil of any kind.

Jehovah said of Job: there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and turns away from evil.

 

[Rens]

Dan Mohler says he can't even remember his last sin. He doesn't sin every day. He has no habitual sin. He knows who he is in Christ, but one great thing he said: to be lead by the Spirit you have to pray.
Harold Hill's tongue was quite venomous. He said: to let the Holy Spirit take control of my tongue I started to speak a lot in tongues.

 

[Josiah]

It may be possible to cease engaging in wilful serious sins, right?

PERHAPS..... but that's not being sinless. Sin = anything contrary to the will of God. God's will is that we be absolutely perfect - not as compared to those on Earth (all of whom are sinful) but as compared to GOD in HEAVEN. We are to be holy - not more holy than the most horrible sinner we can think of but as holy as GOD HIMSELF is in heaven above. We are to be LOVING - not more so than some sick terrorist but loving EXACTLY AS and to the SAME EXTENT that GOD HIMSELF is loving. We are to make disciples of all 7.3 billion people. You know.... God's will.

And God tells us, "NO ONE is righteousness, no, not even one." Jesus said, "NO ONE is good but God only." Paul calls himself the "CHIEF of sinners."

God doesn't grade on a curve. There's no verse that says, "Just try to be better than the average sinful bloat you know." While that might be a goal for some to try to achieve, it's NOT being sinless.... it's NOT fulfilling all the will of God, it's NOT fulfilling the Law, it's NOT making ourselves void of any need for mercy, forgiveness, Christ, the Cross, the Blood, mercy.



Pax CHRISTI



- Josiah

 

[Josiah]

Feel free to clarify..
In light od direct scripture we are..
Set free from sins power
Given power to overcome
Able to put to death the desires of the flesh
Able to submit ourselves to either sin unto death or rightousness unto life.
Made a new creature in christ
Given power to become sons of God
Redeemed.
The list goes on ..
But never NEVER ..does the scripture state that at ANY time we who are in christ are compelled beyond our own will to continue in action we know to be a sin.

1. Scripture also says that NO ONE is righteous (sinless, obedient), no, not even one. Scripture says that NO ONE is good except God only. Scripture says that NO ONE does what is right. Paul says that he (SAINT Paul) is "CHIEF of sinners." See First John 1:8-10.

2. While you INSIST on mixing, entangling, confusing (and watering down) both Law and Gospel, you seem "hung up" on whether Christians MUST, are divinely COMPELLED to be imperfect. Silly.... no one has ever claimed that we are FORCED by God, MANDATED by God to be imperfect. But we are. A reality you refuse to acknowledge - because you have blended law and Gospel, you have entangled justification and sanctification, you have mixed up Christ and yourself.

3. You seem compelled to always deny the Gospel and impose the Law wherever you can (regardless of the topic of the thread), all in an effort to make Christ as small and irrelevant as you can, to deny and oppose the Gospel. YES - all have admitted - the Law remains! YES - we are to be PERFECT, absolutely, divinely PERFECT, 24/7, every microsecond, from conception to death. No one denies that (well, some who hate the Law do). But here's what you miss: NO ONE DOES THAT. Which is why the Law cannot save, because we don't achieve it (by divine help or otherwise) which is why we aren't Jews, we claim we need a SAVIOR (not a helper, not a possibility-maker, not an enabler but a SAVIOR).

4. True, AFTER justification...... as another, different, separate issue..... we are to strive for moral and loving PERFECTION. No one denies that. NO ONE denies that. NO ONE has claimed otherwise. But here is where you are so very wrong, you aren't. And I'd bet my last dime, you'll never be this side of heaven. See First John 1:8-10. I'm NOT saying because you cannot, I'm saying because you won't. On your deathbed, you will STILL need Christ, STILL need the Savior, STILL need God's love, STILL need God's mercy, STILL need God's forgiveness. You are NOT going to render Christ a bad joke, irrelevant, a waste. You are NOT going to be obedient, sinless. You are NOT going to prove Christianity wrong and Islam correct.


But your whole post, as all on this topic, is one JUMBLED, confused, twisted, entangled MESS.... with NO UNDERSTANDING of the difference between law and gospel, sanctification and justification, Christ and yourself. Someone (maybe your minister?) has SO completely confused you that I'm genuinely concerned for your soul.



Pax CHRISTI



- Josiah

 

[TurtleHare]

Oh, to be sure you have twisted what people have said because you are only thinking of one path concerning sin.

You have stated something about stopping unambiguous sin. Okay, so have you answered this question yet in this thread?

Do you love the Lord God with all your heart? That question comes from the command of our Lord Jesus and it also ties into the first commandment. You know the first commandment and yet you are saying you have stopped unambiguous sin. So I ask you are you now fully obeying the first commandment or are you sinning against God by not fully and I MEAN FULLY obeying it?

It has been brought to your attention that if you disobey the first commandment you have disobeyed them all. These sins you knowingly do every day even though you are ashamed to admit it.

Do you know if you hate your neighbor that you aren't fully obeying God and showing Love to Him? How can you love Him fully if you hate your neighbor who is created in His image?
Do you know that if you purposely provoke your neighbor that you disobey God? (Liar liar pants on fire was meant to provoke, it wasn't a kind way to respond to your neighbor to teach or correct no matter what you try to say to weasel out of it).

It's been proven to you that you haven't discontinued all sin and that you even sometimes purposely sin and try to talk your way out and insisting it isn't sin. Your idea of what sin is doesn't encompass all of what scripture says it is.

It isn't that you MUST sin because must means that it is a necessity to do. That's your failure in wording. The point is that you DO still sin and you do it purposely as pointed out as well as not even realizing that it's sin.

In a previous post pages back in this thread, Alithis wrote that if the Holy Spirit didn't convict him of sin that he was innocent since if he didn't know he was committing a sin that he wasn't guilty yet that isn't a biblical concept and here's the clincher, he really believes that he's on the right path in eliminating his own little concept of sin. As Josiah said in the other thread, he's making himself into a Savior all the while trying to proclaim Jesus and the Holy Spirit but instead relying on his obedience to try to stop sinning (his concept of what sin is) which we see is him not actually relying on the forgiveness/atonement that Jesus died on the cross. That's breaking the first commandment since God doesn't want us to have any other gods before Him yet, by thinking he's stopping his sin that he will be saved since his remaining in these sins will not save him but he can't see how his theology pushes him away from God's true salvation and puts it onto himself.

It's a shame he is thinking that there is promotion to stay in sin because I haven't seen hide nor hair of that from anyone but him accusing it of folks, you know? It's absolutely "waffle" to imply that people are saying SIN SIN SIN go ahead and sin and all is fine because no one has yet said that and I really doubt anyone would try to encourage others but whatever.

 

[TurtleHare]

PERHAPS..... but that's not being sinless. Sin = anything contrary to the will of God. God's will is that we be absolutely perfect - not as compared to those on Earth (all of whom are sinful) but as compared to GOD in HEAVEN. We are to be holy - not more holy than the most horrible sinner we can think of but as holy as GOD HIMSELF is in heaven above. We are to be LOVING - not more so than some sick terrorist but loving EXACTLY AS and to the SAME EXTENT that GOD HIMSELF is loving. We are to make disciples of all 7.3 billion people. You know.... God's will.

And God tells us, "NO ONE is righteousness, no, not even one." Jesus said, "NO ONE is good but God only." Paul calls himself the "CHIEF of sinners."

God doesn't grade on a curve. There's no verse that says, "Just try to be better than the average sinful bloat you know." While that might be a goal for some to try to achieve, it's NOT being sinless.... it's NOT fulfilling all the will of God, it's NOT fulfilling the Law, it's NOT making ourselves void of any need for mercy, forgiveness, Christ, the Cross, the Blood, mercy.



Pax CHRISTI



- Josiah

Great post on explaining the true nature of sin and how we don't live up.

 

[Alithis]

Oh, to be sure you have twisted what people have said because you are only thinking of one path concerning sin.

You have stated something about stopping unambiguous sin. Okay, so have you answered this question yet in this thread?

Do you love the Lord God with all your heart? That question comes from the command of our Lord Jesus and it also ties into the first commandment. You know the first commandment and yet you are saying you have stopped unambiguous sin. So I ask you are you now fully obeying the first commandment or are you sinning against God by not fully and I MEAN FULLY obeying it?

It has been brought to your attention that if you disobey the first commandment you have disobeyed them all. These sins you knowingly do every day even though you are ashamed to admit it.

Do you know if you hate your neighbor that you aren't fully obeying God and showing Love to Him? How can you love Him fully if you hate your neighbor who is created in His image?
Do you know that if you purposely provoke your neighbor that you disobey God? (Liar liar pants on fire was meant to provoke, it wasn't a kind way to respond to your neighbor to teach or correct no matter what you try to say to weasel out of it).

It's been proven to you that you haven't discontinued all sin and that you even sometimes purposely sin and try to talk your way out and insisting it isn't sin. Your idea of what sin is doesn't encompass all of what scripture says it is.

It isn't that you MUST sin because must means that it is a necessity to do. That's your failure in wording. The point is that you DO still sin and you do it purposely as pointed out as well as not even realizing that it's sin.

Liar liar was calling you out and you did not like it.. Sorry but thats not a sin .being annoyed at somone is also not a sin.what we do with our emotion can potentially become a sin.your trying to conjure up a sin.but it wont work nor detract from the point of the topic.. Being the need for repentance..
Do you love the lord with all Your heart you ask.. Ask yourself.
I do.
I know this because i do not any more do the things i unambiguously know are sinful against him.why would i .?he set me free so that i do not have to..and i am so grateful that he did..
When i pray lord forgive us our offenses as we forgive those that offend us.nistop and ask him 'lord is there any one whom i am holding an offense against.. If he shows me one i immediatly forgive them in obedience to the holy Spirit..
If i do not... That would be a wilful act if
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Sinning a sin i know to be a sin.
Obedience is not on auto pilot.

Good grief .i have not twisted anything people have said.im dealing with the message what they have said implies and insinuates... They say one one hand..jesus set me free.then with theotherhland they say they dont believe they can stop sinning.. You need tomake up your mind which you believe.because this double mind will keep unstable and ready to be tossed about.
Come on now.. Since your intent on ignoring the topic and instead directly accusing me of commiting an unambiguoius sin i know to be a sin..

What is it.?

Or you can go back to the topic and adress this text...because this is a summary of everthing im saying..
So either name the sin your so ambiguously throwing around accusations of ..or tell me which part of this text below you disagree with.
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

 

[Alithis]

Great post on explaining the true nature of sin and how we don't live up.

What YOU are saying is you have no thoughts to contribute so you keep posting
Things from a person you know i have on ignore. To goad me to re engage him i guess.but theresno point. Its just waffle.
But The scripture is true .
The scripture says we are in christ and christfulfilled the law..all of it.
It says we are dead to it if we were buried withhim by baptism into his death.
It say we are made overcomers.
It assumes we have power to put to death the evil desires ofthe flesh by telling us to do so.
It says in Christ we are more then conquereors .

Its time to believe that what the lord said he has acomplished on the cross..he has actually acomplished.
Its time to stop living as if he has not acomplished it.