are we saved if we remain in sin -? no

[psalms 91]

If we continue in the faith and obey yes

 

[Lamb]

Obey what? So you feel you contribute to your salvation instead of relying solely on Jesus?

 

[visionary]

Obey what? So you feel you contribute to your salvation instead of relying solely on Jesus?

salvation from sin. sin is breaking the law, the saved don't break the law, that is how salvation works.

 

[Alithis]

Our obedience is to remain in faith and not reject the forgiveness that gives us eternal life (by faith). If we look to how much we obey then we fail. If we look to how much Jesus obeyed then we know we are saved.

The moment we willfully do that which we know to be sinafter we have been forgiven we display by our action that we have no faith in Gods word which says we are set free.
so the moment we choose again to sin..we are NOT remaining in faith.

 

[psalms 91]

The moment we willfully do that which we know to be sinafter we have been forgiven we display by our action that we have no faith in Gods word which says we are set free.
so the moment we choose again to sin..we are NOT remaining in faith.

nor are we abiding in love for those who love me obey me

 

[Lamb]

The moment we willfully do that which we know to be sinafter we have been forgiven we display by our action that we have no faith in Gods word which says we are set free.
so the moment we choose again to sin..we are NOT remaining in faith.

Faith comes and goes so easily then?

 

[Alithis]

Faith comes and goes so easily then?

If we dont have faith in him to do as he has promised...save us from our sin and set us free.. Then we dont have faith in the first place or we wilfully disobey .Makes perfect sense then that john writes " a person who continues to practice sin does not know God"-pp


If we truly believe he has set us free..then why go back under the master we have been set free from.. Perhaps its because we dont yet truly believe he has done so.. We dont truly have faith in him yet then.

I know he has set me free.
Do i know this because i say with my lips i have faith in him?no .i say it because i simply do not Do that sin any more ,nor desire to,Nor am compelled to by anything ..because my lord Jesus SET ME FREE.. Why would i now go back into that pit of self loathing and despair he so graciously saved me out of ..that would be insane and would bring down on my head the rightous judgment of God.
He is to be feared.he is Holy and Just.

 

[Lamb]

You say, "I have faith because I..."

The Bible says we have faith because God...

 

[psalms 91]

Belief yes, faith also needs action or it isnt faith.

 

[Josiah]

When was forgiveness separated from obedience. Evidence of accepting the forgiveness is shown in the obedience.

Obedience is an issue of the LAW. Forgiveness is an issue of the GOSPEL. Sure, we are ALWAYS to be obedient, morally perfect, divinely holy, totally loving.... no one has argued that the law disappears when God gives of faith, no, we are to be PERFECT even as and to the same extent that God in heaven is perfect, we are to the HOLY just as and to the same extent that God in heaven is holy, we are to be LOVING to all 7.3 billion people just as and to the same extent that Jesus is loving on the Cross, we are to make disciples of all 7.3 billion people..... yes, we are to do all that - perfectly, always.

But friend NONE OF THAT is the cause of our forgiveness, NONE OF THAT is the reason for God having MERCY on us. Indeed, if we did that, we'd need no mercy, no forgiveness, no Christ, no Cross. But none of us do. None of us do. None of us. Not ever. No one denies that we are called to do that, that the Law demands that, no one denies that (it's just some water all that down so much, so very much, as to seem to make it doable - all in an effort to cancel the Gospel and make Christ unnecessary cuz we got me and me KEEPS the Law). It is NOT the case that we must do all that - THEN God will forgive (he'd not NEED to forgive if we did all that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). God forgives us because we sin. And we always will. NO ONE is righteous, no not even one. NO ONE does what is right. SAINT Paul refers to himself as the CHIEF of sinners - still in need of constant repentance, constant mercy, still in need of the Christ, the Cross, the Blood, and will be until God received Him into heaven.




Pax Christi



- Josiah

 

[psalms 91]

We are forgiven a gift of grace that we do not and can not earn, no problem. The case of obedience is after we are saved and have come to the knowledge. Obedience shows our love. disobedience the opposite

 

[TurtleHare]

When was forgiveness separated from obedience. Evidence of accepting the forgiveness is shown in the obedience.

I think that you know and realize that our obedience isn't the cause forgiveness and that our obedience isn't what earns forgiveness since forgiveness is a gift.

 

[Lamb]

Belief yes, faith also needs action or it isnt faith.

Faith grasps onto forgiveness. There are fruits of faith but that is God working within us. Our fruits aren't saving us. Our works aren't saving us.

 

[psalms 91]

Faith grasps onto forgiveness. There are fruits of faith but that is God working within us. Our fruits aren't saving us. Our works aren't saving us.

agreed but without works our faith is dead

 

[Lamb]

agreed but without works our faith is dead

Works are only a result but we don't go out looking for works to do to PROVE our faith. Birds fly, fish swim and Christians produce fruit. We can't help it.

 

[psalms 91]

lol true

 

[Alithis]

Works are only a result but we don't go out looking for works to do to PROVE our faith. Birds fly, fish swim and Christians produce fruit. We can't help it.

that is true ..
and since it is true .. why do people keep insisting (sured they don't admit it outright, they use the term every one and all... to detract from self ..) but since it is true, why do they then go and do the sin again ?
who makes them ?
God .. nope ,
the devil .. ? how? jesus set us free from the power of both sin and the devil ..
so if they have faith that what god has said is true ..why do they then act in a manner which contradicts their declaration ?
because they don't truly believe they are free they don't yet have faith in him .. thier behaviour displays it .

 

[Lamb]

that is true ..
and since it is true .. why do people keep insisting (sured they don't admit it outright, they use the term every one and all... to detract from self ..) but since it is true, why do they then go and do the sin again ?
who makes them ?
God .. nope ,
the devil .. ? how? jesus set us free from the power of both sin and the devil ..
so if they have faith that what god has said is true ..why do they then act in a manner which contradicts their declaration ?
because they don't truly believe they are free they don't yet have faith in him .. thier behaviour displays it .

Why do people sin you ask? It's because we live in sinful bodies. This has been already been stated.

 

[Alithis]

Why do people sin you ask? It's because we live in sinful bodies. This has been already been stated.

firstly i have not said/asked ,why do 'people sin" ..but why do people professing to be disciples of the lord jesus -Do that which they know to be sin

Did the Lord Jesus failed and did he not set us free?-- absolutely not -that is just people wanting to blame their own actions on someone or something other than themselves .
the lord i believe in did not fail at all he preformed that which he was sent forth to do.. he saved me from my sin and he set me free .

does it mean i cant sin again.. nope it means i don't want to .
and since i don't have to
AND don't want to .. why would i go and do that which i know to be offensive to the one who set me free ?

 

[Lamb]

I don't want to sin but I know that I will eventually do it. We enjoy our sins...or else we wouldn't be doing them. My previous pastor said that we don't get better at not sinning we just get better at sinning and hiding our sins. We deceive ourselves that we aren't sinning. All sins go against God as being our God since we want to make ourselves our own gods.