Alithis
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There goes your ENTIRE point that Christians don't sin.
Okay, so you finally admit that at least NON-CHRISTIANS sin (including Christians before they were Christians). But you keep saying that Christians don't sin - but you can't think of even ONE, not even ONE actual example of a sinless Christian, although all Christians are sinless - you just name such a one.
I do. It is. It's just another topic for another day and another thread. Don't hijack this one in an attempt to attack the Gospel, oppose the Gospel, make Christ as small as possible (irrelevant, a joke now) and yourself as BIG as possible (holy, perfect, glorious, wonderful, all - meriting). Your seeming hatred of the Gospel and disspelling of the Christ, the Cross, the Blood, mercy are disturbing and dangerous.
Of course, Scripture does NOT say "And therefore Christians do not sin." it says "there is NO ONE who is righteous, no not even one" (I think that includes you). SAINT Paul declares that he IS the "chief of SINNERS" (so much the antithesis of you). Scripture does not support your hijack, your effort to denounce the Gospel, your persistence in opposing the Gospel, your point that Christians don't sin and thus don't need Christ or the Cross or the Blood or mercy or forgiveness - they SHOULD look in the mirror rather than to the Cross because when they look in the mirror, they see perfection, holiness, love. You are wrong.
But mostly, you are confused. Totally, completely confused. Mixing up, entangling, confusing law and gospel, sanctification and justification, self and Christ..... all in your effort to deny Christ and glorify self, to destroy the Gospel and magnify yourself, to destroy the central teaching of Chrstistianty. NOW, IF - if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if - this thread were about the Law, if it were about sanctification, then you'd have a point. You'd be wrong (because even in sanctification, we are not sinless - just forgiven and empowered) but you'd AT LEAST be addressing the issue (you'd just be wrong) but on this topic (Justification) you are an enemy of the Gospel, you are attacking Christ, you are opposing the Gospel, you are disspelling the central point of Christianity. And you are persistent and insistent in this - no matter what anyone says, you INSIST on attacking the central point of all Christianity in your effort to glorify your own perfection and holiness. It's very disconcerting and dangerous and disturbing. You CANNOT let stand that JESUS is the Savior (in this sense of narrow justification), that Christ is merciful and forgiving - every time someone posts that, you quickly come to attack it - with so much persistence and passion.
This is why you are not Protestant. This is why you reject the Gospel, oppose the Gospel, hate the Gospel...... in your view of justification, self saves self by self being sinless. Good luck with that! But in any case, it's a complete abandonment of Christianity and a return to Judaism (or even more, a move into Islam), and it shows how confused you are, how you have gotten yourself into a mess and essentially left Christianity by entangling law and gospel, self with God, sanctification with justification.... your confusion has lead you to works-righteousness, to you save self by making self perfect so that you have nothing to be saved from. I denounce that with every cell in my body. You make this point over and over and over, in ANY thread that has anything to do with Christ and justification - QUICKLY denouncing Christ as the savior and elevating you to not needing salvation, you need no Christ, no Blood, no Cross, no mercy cuz you got you. Good luck with that. But worse, you are attacking the Gospel, the Christ, the Cross, Christianity.
And who GIVES life? NEVER self. And he didn't say, "And you must become perfect so that you need no salvation and thus my incarnation, my life, my death, my resurrection is just a bad joke and entirely unnecessary."
- Josiah
you make so many false accusations in this post that there is no point replying to it-i have a clear conscience before God in jesus name so i need not defend anything i have said
. i mean good grief ..accusing me of hating the gospel because i agree with scriptures which state we must Obey the gospel ..
i am not protestant .. i was never rcc to protest against it ..i was never lutheran to protest against it .
i am a born again christian a disciple of the lord jesus -i agree WITH the word of god in every aspect of it .
the word of god states we are to OBEY the gospel - .it is you who are protesting against that even though there it is,written plainly in the word of god .
what do you want to hear ? that you can go on singing your secret sin and you will be saved regardless .. ?/ is that what you desire to hear ,you wish to have your ear tickled with sweet words that are nice to the ears of your flesh . you keep saying all christians sin.. but you cant speak for all christians .. so what sin is it that YOU speak of in YOUR own life that you keep doing and dont want to repent of. / i mean come on lets get to the heart of your protestings .