Justification: By OUR works or CHRIST'S works?

[psalms 91]

And by willfully and knowingly continuing in sin one is too rejecting the salvation of Christ.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Truth

 

[Lamb]

And by willfully and knowingly continuing in sin one is too rejecting the salvation of Christ.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Do you love your neighbor as yourself every moment of your life? I really doubt anyone here can do that. That's knowingly and willingly sinning yet we're still Christians because we rely on the Savior.

 

[psalms 91]

Do you love your neighbor as yourself every moment of your life? I really doubt anyone here can do that. That's knowingly and willingly sinning yet we're still Christians because we rely on the Savior.

Do you repenmt daily? If so then you remain in Gods grace perfectly

 

[Josiah]

Do you repenmt daily? If so then you remain in Gods grace perfectly

Repenting is ACKNOWLEDGING that we are sinful and unclean, that we do NOT do the will of God.... it's a cry for MERCY (for the sake of the blood). It's the OPPOSITE, the ANTITHESIS of your insistence that we must be sinless in order to be Christians. And I disagree with your point that OUR repentance is what saves - so that we save ourselves by what we do.

Again: It's a case of whether you are looking in the mirror or to the Cross...... are you trusting/relying on SELF (YOUR obedience, YOUR works, YOUR love, YOUR morality) or in CHRIST (HIS works, HIS obedience, HIS love, HIS righteousness). Some here have called for looking to Christ as the Savior (in terms of justification, narrow) others have insisted we must look rather into the mirror because we are the savior of self.



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[psalms 91]

Repenting is ACKNOWLEDGING that we are sinful and unclean, that we do NOT do the will of God.... it's a cry for MERCY (for the sake of the blood). It's the OPPOSITE, the ANTITHESIS of your insistence that we must be sinless in order to be Christians.

Again: It's a case of whether you are looking in the mirror or to the Cross...... are you trusting/relying on SELF (YOUR obedience, YOUR works, YOUR love, YOUR morality) or in CHRIST (HIS works, HIS obedience, HIS love, HIS righteousness). Some here have called for looking to Christ as the Savior (in terms of justification, narrow) others have insisted we must look rather into the mirror because we are the savior of self.

How did you get that, we are all sinful.

 

[Josiah]

How did you get that, we are all sinful.

I agree. So our righteousness (or lack thereof) is NOT how our justification is established. Not any "work" on our part, before or after justification.

 

[psalms 91]

I agree. So our righteousness (or lack thereof) is NOT how our justification is established. Not any "work" on our part, before or after justification.

ok but at the very moment we ask forgiveness and repent are we not perfect in Gods eyes in that moment? Of course then we go sin some more for noone is perfect

 

[MoreCoffee]

One is saved by grace through faith and salvation implies being made righteous (justified).

 

[psalms 91]

One is saved by grace through faith and salvation implies being made righteous (justified).

again right

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well then, we've agreed what Justification is and to whom it is granted. If we were the only ones participating in this thread it would be done

 

[psalms 91]

lol yes although I really dont understand how you can get around scripture

 

[Lamb]

One is saved by grace through faith and salvation implies being made righteous (justified).

Not because of anything on our part. Faith is a gift from God and clings to the forgiveness that the Savior won for us at the cross.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Not because of anything on our part. Faith is a gift from God and clings to the forgiveness that the Savior won for us at the cross.

Ultimately nothing is our own and nothing can be claimed from God as just wages for services rendered. The wicked and the Just alike receive everything good that they have or can ever have. It is all of grace. Nonetheless the call to walk orderly in obedience to the gospel is made and it is the duty of the faithful to respond to it. There is no contradiction between grace and work but somehow the theology behind your statements creates one.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes

Glad you agree. I do not really know why people like these theories that make gospel and law or grace and works into opposing forces when in fact law leads to gospel and grace supplies works. Seems to me that no division really exists except in the theologies that force a disjunction between one and the other.

 

[TurtleHare]

Repenting is ACKNOWLEDGING that we are sinful and unclean, that we do NOT do the will of God.... it's a cry for MERCY (for the sake of the blood). It's the OPPOSITE, the ANTITHESIS of your insistence that we must be sinless in order to be Christians. And I disagree with your point that OUR repentance is what saves - so that we save ourselves by what we do.

Again: It's a case of whether you are looking in the mirror or to the Cross...... are you trusting/relying on SELF (YOUR obedience, YOUR works, YOUR love, YOUR morality) or in CHRIST (HIS works, HIS obedience, HIS love, HIS righteousness). Some here have called for looking to Christ as the Savior (in terms of justification, narrow) others have insisted we must look rather into the mirror because we are the savior of self.



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Who is the one who justifies is the great question to be asked and Josiah is on the right path when he keeps pointing everyone back to the Savior instead of self.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Who is the one who justifies is the great question to be asked and Josiah is on the right path when he keeps pointing everyone back to the Savior instead of self.

One is made righteous by the grace of God. All that one has that is good is a gift from God. One works good deeds according to the grace of God in you. The Holy Spirit enables the faithful to work according to God's good pleasure. Where is the contradiction between this grace and human response?

 

[visionary]

Glad you agree. I do not really know why people like these theories that make gospel and law or grace and works into opposing forces when in fact law leads to gospel and grace supplies works. Seems to me that no division really exists except in the theologies that force a disjunction between one and the other.

I agree .. there is no opposing forces between the gospel, grace, law, or works in accordance to Yeshua, the King of the Jews.

 

[Lamb]

Law and Gospel are both Holy and used by God but there are distinctions that I see people blurring. Any wording with YOU MUST is Law. It can't save you.

We are justified by Christ since HE is our Savior.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Law and Gospel are both Holy and used by God but there are distinctions that I see people blurring. Any wording with YOU MUST is Law. It can't save you.

We are justified by Christ since HE is our Savior.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" is a "you must" command is it not?