Can you claim the lord Jesus has set you free from sin.. if sin still masters you ?

[Alithis]

We do all sin still. I've seen you sin here countless amount of times on this board so not even YOU are perfect. Yet because of Christ, God sees us as perfect.

No one is saying that we don't want to live by God's law and try not to sin. We are saying that we acknowledge our sinfulness and confess them to the Lord and we are assured that we have forgiveness because of the cross.

ahh the adversary speaks ..but the accusation is perceptional not righteous. i have spoken against that which is precious in the eyes of some and so offend them . but in the sight of god i have spoke the truth . and there is no sin in that , unless it is a sin to speak the truth .my conscience is clear thus your biased and unjust judgment nullified .

tell me .did you read the posts in regard to what is sin ? in order to address the question in the op and address that question it does help to read those posts as i added them for just that reason .

 

[Alithis]

now lets ask this question

almost every one has said .. " we .. (actualy meaning themselves but not too keen to be honest and say it out right ) all still sin .

and again for clarification we are speaking of sin having mastery over us . NOT about the fact that a person may tragically mess up and commit sin ..repent in godly sorrow learn from the misery of having the lord displeased with them and never do it again . -we are not speaking of a one off mess up .

we are speaking of a continuance of sin .. a repeated practice of something w know to violate the righteousness of God , and act which repeatedly opposes the wil of the lord i us as made known to us by his Holy Spirit and our god given conscience .

so the question i now pose to the brave and honest .. is .. when you say " we all still sin " meaning "i still sin " -in reference to ongoing repeated continued sin ..

what sin are you referring to ? your going to have to elaborate for your words to make any sense at all .

the word says any one who says they have no sin (does not sin)lies
the word ALSO say if we are in christ we are a new creature
it ALSO says the spirit of god in us cannot sin

it also says we are to walk in the spirit of god

can we sin while walking in and being obedient to the holy Spirit ? no .. we have to STOP walking in him and disobey the holy Spirit .. we cannot accidently sin while walking in obedience to the Holy Spiirt -it is simply impossible .

So this raises a serious issue -- if we are set free from sins power over us .. fre to walk in the lord jesus as a new creature .. why then do we continue to do that which we know absolutely to be "sinful" .. when nothing on heaven or earth can make us do so beyond out own will ?

the answer is simple - becaseu we love the sin. the person, the organisation the action , more then we love the lord JEsus . ouch

fear god - there is no more sacrifice for sin.. repent ..turn from change your mind and cease doing it ..
and if you cannot .. you are not yet set free you are not yet saved -so simple .. repent ,be baptised and be born again a new creature in christ then go and walk in the freedom he has established for you

and if you "will " not .. your are already condemned by your on will.. do not blame god .

 

[Lamb]

We all do sin and that includes you.

 

[psalms 91]

absolutely

 

[MoreCoffee]

We all do sin and that includes you.

I wonder if that includes Enoch.

 

[Alithis]

We all do sin and that includes you.

well now .. how about i deal with me and you deal with you and we address the topic .

when you say "we " all do ... you include yourself .. so if that is the case what sin is it your referring to that is so powerful at even the blood of the lamb shed at calvary cannot free you from its binding grasp allowing it to so compel you beyond any ability to resist it ?

--
and again for clarification we are speaking of sin having mastery over us . NOT about the fact that a person may tragically mess up and commit sin ..repent in godly sorrow learn from the misery of having the lord displeased with them and never do it again . -we are not speaking of a one off mess up .

we are speaking of a continuance of sin .. a repeated practice of something w know to violate the righteousness of God , and act which repeatedly opposes the wil of the lord i us as made known to us by his Holy Spirit and our god given conscience .

so the question i now pose to the brave and honest .. is .. when you say " we all still sin " meaning "i still sin " -in reference to ongoing repeated continued sin ..

what sin are you referring to ? your going to have to elaborate for your words to make any sense at all .

the word says any one who says they have no sin (does not sin)lies
the word ALSO say if we are in christ we are a new creature
it ALSO says the spirit of god in us cannot sin

it also says we are to walk in the spirit of god

can we sin while walking in and being obedient to the holy Spirit ? no .. we have to STOP walking in him and disobey the holy Spirit .. we cannot accidently sin while walking in obedience to the Holy Spiirt -it is simply impossible .

So this raises a serious issue -- if we are set free from sins power over us .. fre to walk in the lord jesus as a new creature .. why then do we continue to do that which we know absolutely to be "sinful" .. when nothing on heaven or earth can make us do so beyond out own will ?

the answer is simple - becaseu we love the sin. the person, the organisation the action , more then we love the lord JEsus . ouch

 

[Alithis]

absolutely

time to ask the difficult questions, time to search out our hearts ,time to work out our salvation with fear and trembling ,time to measure us what repentance truly is .

so . why ?

why is it an absolute that a person set free from sin, will, absolutely ,sin ../ -again -referring to unambiguous sin such as listed in the ten absolutes of the ten commandments/
the first being to love the lord your god with all your heart mind and strength.and your neighbor as yourself . knowing that one alone when fulfilled ,as it it is in christ whose spirit dwells within us an d in whom we are told to live and obey ,has accomplished the fulfillment of the law in full and to love him above all else is to be loved of god -and thus in him we also fulfill this command and in so doing "will" (as in have the will to not ) not break any of the other either . for one cannot break the others while doing the first .

so when you say .. absolute .. we all sin after being saved from it .. why do we ? what makes us do so.. is there a power greater then gods that can so compel us to commit acts of unrightousness beyond our own will ,once we have been freed from sin's power ? there is not .


so what shall we who are free say .. the devil made me do it .. well why were you listening to him is he still a master over you ?
so what shall we say .. "i did it and i could not help it " ..well why have you made your flesh master over you to be enslaved to it..? you wanted to ?

so what shall we say.. ... all we can say .. LORD forgive me .. for i have sinned .. and turn to him in repentance and be saved (forgiven ).And will he not know the intent f our hearts ?
does he not know when we have intent to do it again and so feign repentance..? that is not sorrow for wronging him that is just sorry that we can't get away with it , sorrow we got caught!
No .. Godly sorrow works godly repentance and godly repentance turn away and does not look back to go back and continue in that sin..

sobering thoughts .. but truth can be cutting and needs to be for it cuts to the bone of the matter and reveals what is really in the heart that it may be brought to the light and exposes and mended (it is only those who love sin who will not bring it and the hearts true motive to the light to be exposed .

there is no forgivness of sin without repentance and there is no repentance when a person fully intends to return to and repeat thier sin .

 

[psalms 91]

time to ask the difficult questions, time to search out our hearts ,time to work out our salvation with fear and trembling ,time to measure us what repentance truly is .

so . why ?

why is it an absolute that a person set free from sin, will, absolutely ,sin ../ -again -referring to unambiguous sin such as listed in the ten absolutes of the ten commandments/
the first being to love the lord your god with all your heart mind and strength.and your neighbor as yourself . knowing that one alone when fulfilled ,as it it is in christ whose spirit dwells within us an d in whom we are told to live and obey ,has accomplished the fulfillment of the law in full and to love him above all else is to be loved of god -and thus in him we also fulfill this command and in so doing "will" (as in have the will to not ) not break any of the other either . for one cannot break the others while doing the first .

so when you say .. absolute .. we all sin after being saved from it .. why do we ? what makes us do so.. is there a power greater then gods that can so compel us to commit acts of unrightousness beyond our own will ,once we have been freed from sin's power ? there is not .


so what shall we who are free say .. the devil made me do it .. well why were you listening to him is he still a master over you ?
so what shall we say .. "i did it and i could not help it " ..well why have you made your flesh master over you to be enslaved to it..? you wanted to ?

so what shall we say.. ... all we can say .. LORD forgive me .. for i have sinned .. and turn to him in repentance and be saved (forgiven ).And will he not know the intent f our hearts ?
does he not know when we have intent to do it again and so feign repentance..? that is not sorrow for wronging him that is just sorry that we can't get away with it , sorrow we got caught!
No .. Godly sorrow works godly repentance and godly repentance turn away and does not look back to go back and continue in that sin..

sobering thoughts .. but truth can be cutting and needs to be for it cuts to the bone of the matter and reveals what is really in the heart that it may be brought to the light and exposes and mended (it is only those who love sin who will not bring it and the hearts true motive to the light to be exposed .

there is no forgivness of sin without repentance and there is no repentance when a person fully intends to return to and repeat thier sin .

While some sin is unintentional a lot of why we sin is because we love the sin, if we are very truthful with ourselves it is not the devil that made us but our own desires

 

[Lamb]

I wonder if that includes Enoch.

"For ALL have sinned..." Romans 3:23

Even Enoch was under the covenant and needed a Savior, otherwise God would have made it a point to have scriptures say otherwise if Enoch was sinless.

 

[Lamb]

well now .. how about i deal with me and you deal with you and we address the topic .

when you say "we " all do ... you include yourself .. so if that is the case what sin is it your referring to that is so powerful at even the blood of the lamb shed at calvary cannot free you from its binding grasp allowing it to so compel you beyond any ability to resist it ?

--
and again for clarification we are speaking of sin having mastery over us . NOT about the fact that a person may tragically mess up and commit sin ..repent in godly sorrow learn from the misery of having the lord displeased with them and never do it again . -we are not speaking of a one off mess up .

we are speaking of a continuance of sin .. a repeated practice of something w know to violate the righteousness of God , and act which repeatedly opposes the wil of the lord i us as made known to us by his Holy Spirit and our god given conscience .

so the question i now pose to the brave and honest .. is .. when you say " we all still sin " meaning "i still sin " -in reference to ongoing repeated continued sin ..

what sin are you referring to ? your going to have to elaborate for your words to make any sense at all .

the word says any one who says they have no sin (does not sin)lies
the word ALSO say if we are in christ we are a new creature
it ALSO says the spirit of god in us cannot sin

it also says we are to walk in the spirit of god

can we sin while walking in and being obedient to the holy Spirit ? no .. we have to STOP walking in him and disobey the holy Spirit .. we cannot accidently sin while walking in obedience to the Holy Spiirt -it is simply impossible .

So this raises a serious issue -- if we are set free from sins power over us .. fre to walk in the lord jesus as a new creature .. why then do we continue to do that which we know absolutely to be "sinful" .. when nothing on heaven or earth can make us do so beyond out own will ?

the answer is simple - becaseu we love the sin. the person, the organisation the action , more then we love the lord JEsus . ouch

Yes, we do sin even though we are covered under Christ's righteousness. Even you still sin but are saved by the blood of the lamb, not by your own obedience. Your obedience will falter but Christ was perfect and being covered by Him makes us perfect in God's eyes.

 

[MoreCoffee]

"For ALL have sinned..." Romans 3:23

Even Enoch was under the covenant and needed a Savior, otherwise God would have made it a point to have scriptures say otherwise if Enoch was sinless.

That ALL in your post does not really mean ALL does it? The Lord did not sin. Enoch pleased the Lord. Job was perfect. Maybe there are exceptions?

 

[Lamb]

That ALL in your post does not really mean ALL does it? The Lord did not sin. Enoch pleased the Lord. Job was perfect. Maybe there are exceptions?

No, Christ did not sin, but scriptures also specifically stated that elsewhere so that we know. We cannot try to guess about any other man if scripture does not deliberately say so.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No, Christ did not sin, but scriptures also specifically stated that elsewhere so that we know. We cannot try to guess about any other man if scripture does not deliberately say so.

The holy scriptures also explicitly state that Job was perfect and that Enoch pleased the Lord. Can one be perfect while sinning or please the Lord in a state of sinful corruption?

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
(Job 1:1 KJV)

Enoch pleased the Lord, and was translated, being an example of repentance to all generations.
(Sirach 44:16 KJV)

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
(Hebrews 11:5 KJV)

 

[Lamb]

What does scripture say about David as well? It boasted about him and then showed us how he was still sinful.

We are all in need of a Savior and thankfully one has been provided for us.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What does scripture say about David as well? It boasted about him and then showed us how he was still sinful.

We are all in need of a Savior and thankfully one has been provided for us.

David is not Enoch nor is David Job.

 

[psalms 91]

Yet he was chosen bu God, elevated by him, and found favor in battle and riches. All men are sinful if for no other reason than the sin nature we are allborn with, elevating people to be sinless is a lie

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yet he was chosen by God, elevated by him, and found favor in battle and riches. All men are sinful if for no other reason than the sin nature we are all born with, elevating people to be sinless is a lie

Nobody said either Job or Enoch was born without original sin. That's not the same as sins committed by them.

 

[psalms 91]

actually it is, sin is sin, otherwise why the need for a saviour

 

[MoreCoffee]

actually it is, sin is sin, otherwise why the need for a saviour

Is there not a sin unto death and sin that is not unto death?

 

[psalms 91]

of course but the price for all sin is death is it not? What does the bible say rather than a denom that believes still in purgatory and a man being able to forgive sin?