Why was Mary necessary?

[visionary]

The rationale given by several here is the denial of the inseparable natures of CHRIST, the attack has been directed to CHRIST, Mary is ONLY the bearer of the HUMANITY of Jesus because the two natures are SEPARATE - and thus it is "wrong, false and blasphemy" to affirm Matthew 1:18 and Titus 2:13. The rationale for this attack from these few posters here has come lock, stock and barrel - VERBATIM - from Nestorius, a perfect echo of one of the worse, most destructive heresies in all of Christian history: Nestorianism. Several here have been advocating and echoing Nestorianism. Originally, we assumed they were just ignorant of this - but then they noted that they "don't care". .

Any reflection of the nature of Christ on Mary is what is wrong. Mary is human, Christ is both divine and human indivisible.

 

[Josiah]

Any reflection of the nature of Christ on Mary is what is wrong. Mary is human, Christ is both divine and human indivisible.

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Correct. Which is why this title is about CHRIST, it's CHRISTOLOGY. That's the reason for the title, that's the historical source of it: to support the two INSEPARABLE natures of Christ, to support Titus 2:13. Nestorius (one of the worse, most dangerous heretics in history) began his horrific destruction by denouncing THIS VERY TITLE - because he denied our Lords' two inseparable natures. His heresy (so perfectly echoed here) - Nestorianism - is one of the worse in history: it nearly destroyed Christianity.

Sad to see it resurrected in this thread. I had originally thought such was being done innocently among people who simply were ignorant of this heresy, but now I know better. They know. They don't care.




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[Josiah]

I haven't notice such of anything about Mary, just strong, strong attacks on two teachings (Matthew 1:18 and Titus 2:13), and a consistent promotion of Nestorianism. Including you, Bill, who commented that Nestorianism "sounds good."


As I've said REPEATEDLY:

I could care less what people think of Mary.
I could care less what titles or labels that anyone gives or doesn't give to anyone.
The point I'm making has NOTHING to do with Mary or with any poster here.
IT HAS TO DO WITH CHRIST!
It has to do with Christology!


My motive here has to do with NOT permitting the advocacy of one of the worst, most dangerous, most destructive heresies in 2000 years: Nestorianism.
NOT permitting the echoing and advocating of one of the worse heretics of all time, Nestorius.
If we are "bullies" of heresy (and thus defenders of Christ), then I'll wear that label with pride and joy.


I will not permit the echoing, the proclaimation of this horrible, condemned HERESY that nearly destroyed Christianity; I will not tolerate this rebuke of Christ, I will not sit back and do nothing as posters promote HERESY (even if the advocates don't care - and obviously the ones here at CH
don't). It is scary to see people today ECHO (verbatim) one of the worse heretics in 2000 years - and see people defend that rather than quickly denounce it. And when the heresy is pointed out, that they are denouncing the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils, what we get is "I don't care."




References AGAIN....

https://carm.org/nestorianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10755a.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/Nestorianism.html



But I know.... you don't care.




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I don't think they're reading your links, Josiah. You might want to post some of the information here.

Sure they have.... they don't care.

They are verbatim echoing one of the worse, most destructive, most dangerous heresies in history. They know it. They've repeatedly stated: they don't care.





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[psalms 91]

:swordfight:Beating a dead horse, I guess the last word is important to some

 

[Josiah]

Christ is both divine and human indivisible.

Correct. Which is why these several "Evangelicals" are wrong to promote, defend and advance Nestorianism. You state the sole, exclusive reason I've been persistent in this thread: the attack has been on CHRIST, attacking and rebuking the two INSEPARABLE natures of Christ. Several "Evangelicals" here have been echoing (VERBATIM!) the heresy of Nestorius, even applying his heresy to the EXACT SAME title, echoing his heretical words PERFECTLY. We've shown how this heresy they are promoting is wrong, how it contradicts Scripture, how it was one of THE most destructive, dangerous heresies in all history. We have provided links so that they can see their VERBATIM words revealed to be horrible, condemned heresy of Nestorianism - condemned by the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils and by Scripture. They don't care. They are persistent in their attack on Christ, persistent in advocating and promoting Nestorianism - now fully aware that it's one of the most destructive heresies in all Christian history. They don't care. Disturbing. Scary.




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[pinacled]

Correct. Which is why these several "Evangelicals" are wrong to promote, defend and advance Nestorianism. You state the sole, exclusive reason I've been persistent in this thread: the attack has been on CHRIST, attacking and rebuking the two INSEPARABLE natures of Christ. Several "Evangelicals" here have been echoing (VERBATIM!) the heresy of Nestorius, even applying his heresy to the EXACT SAME title, echoing his heretical words PERFECTLY. We've shown how this heresy they are promoting is wrong, how it contradicts Scripture, how it was one of THE most destructive, dangerous heresies in all history. We have provided links so that they can see their VERBATIM words revealed to be horrible, condemned heresy of Nestorianism - condemned by the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils and by Scripture. They don't care. They are persistent in their attack on Christ, persistent in advocating and promoting Nestorianism - now fully aware that it's one of the most destructive heresies in all Christian history. They don't care. Disturbing. Scary.




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To be fair throwing heresy to the wind will accomplish nothing.
I will paraphrase to emphasize my earlier post.
Wherefore ye be gods. And worshipping gods that are no gods.
So who is mary mother of?
If I need to clarify more just let me know.
Language may be a barrier to some.

 

[Josiah]

I haven't notice such of anything about Mary, just strong, strong attacks on two teachings (Matthew 1:18 and Titus 2:13), and a consistent promotion of Nestorianism. Including you, Bill, who commented that Nestorianism "sounds good."


As I've said REPEATEDLY:

I could care less what people think of Mary.
I could care less what titles or labels that anyone gives or doesn't give to anyone.
The point I'm making has NOTHING to do with Mary or with any poster here.
IT HAS TO DO WITH CHRIST!
It has to do with Christology!


My motive here has to do with NOT permitting the advocacy of one of the worst, most dangerous, most destructive heresies in 2000 years: Nestorianism.
NOT permitting the echoing and advocating of one of the worse heretics of all time, Nestorius.
If we are "bullies" of heresy (and thus defenders of Christ), then I'll wear that label with pride and joy.


I will not permit the echoing, the proclaimation of this horrible, condemned HERESY that nearly destroyed Christianity; I will not tolerate this rebuke of Christ, I will not sit back and do nothing as posters promote HERESY (even if the advocates don't care - and obviously the ones here at CH

don't). It is scary to see people today ECHO (verbatim) one of the worse heretics in 2000 years - and see people defend that rather than quickly denounce it. And when the heresy is pointed out, that they are denouncing the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils, what we get is "I don't care."




References AGAIN....

https://carm.org/nestorianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10755a.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/Nestorianism.html





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So who is mary mother of?

See Matthew 1:18, etc., etc., etc. It LITERALLY, VERBATIM says Mary is the mother of JESUS.

See Titus 2:13, etc., etc., etc. It LITERALLY, VERBATIM says THAT Jesus (the one Mary bore) is rightly called "GOD"

The Christological title arose to embrace that the Jesus who was born has two inseparable natures so that Scripture is NOT wrong to call THAT Jesus (the flesh-and-blood one BORN OF MARY) specifically, verbatim, precisely: "GOD". Mary bore Jesus who IS specifically 'GOD'. Scripture says that. Christians affirmed that in the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils. A horrible heretic named Nestorius denied it. That heretic has been echoed verbatim by several "Evangelicals" here in this thread. They know they are echoing, promoting, advocating one of the most destructive, dangerous heresies in all Christian history but they don't care.


Read the links provided.




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[visionary]

See Matthew 1:18, etc., etc., etc. It LITERALLY, VERBATIM says Mary is the mother of JESUS.

See Titus 2:13, etc., etc., etc. It LITERALLY, VERBATIM says THAT Jesus (the one Mary bore) is rightly called "GOD"

The Christological title arose to embrace that the Jesus who was born has two inseparable natures so that Scripture is NOT wrong to call THAT Jesus (the flesh-and-blood one BORN OF MARY) specifically, verbatim, precisely: "GOD". Mary bore Jesus who IS specifically 'GOD'. Scripture says that. Christians affirmed that in the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils. A horrible heretic named Nestorius denied it. That heretic has been echoed verbatim by several "Evangelicals" here in this thread. They know they are echoing, promoting, advocating one of the most destructive, dangerous heresies in all Christian history but they don't care.


Read the links provided..

This is all about God "in the flesh"the only Begotten Son of God the Father... God the Father was never born of Mary.

 

[Josiah]

See Matthew 1:18, etc., etc., etc. It LITERALLY, VERBATIM says Mary is the mother of JESUS.

See Titus 2:13, etc., etc., etc. It LITERALLY, VERBATIM says THAT Jesus (the one Mary bore) is rightly called "GOD"


The Christological title arose to embrace that the Jesus who was born has two inseparable natures so that Scripture is NOT wrong to call THAT Jesus (the flesh-and-blood one BORN OF MARY) specifically, verbatim, precisely: "GOD". Mary bore Jesus who IS specifically 'GOD'. Scripture says that. Christians affirmed that in the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils. A horrible heretic named Nestorius denied it. That heretic has been echoed verbatim by several "Evangelicals" here in this thread. They know they are echoing, promoting, advocating one of the most destructive, dangerous heresies in all Christian history but they don't care.


Read the links provided..


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This is all about God "in the flesh"the only Begotten Son of God the Father... God the Father was never born of Mary.

No. Jesus is not the Incarnate Father. There is no title of: "Mary - the Mother of the Father." Or "Mary - the Source of the Trinity." Mary bore JESUS and THIS Jesus (the one born, the one who is Incarnate) is correctly called "GOD" by Scripture and by the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils.


Please read the following

https://carm.org/nestorianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10755a.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/Nestorianism.html






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[pinacled]

No. Jesus is not the Incarnate Father. There is no title of: "Mary - the Mother of the Father." Or "Mary - the Source of the Trinity." Mary bore JESUS and THIS Jesus (the one born, the one who is Incarnate) is correctly called "GOD" by Scripture and by the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils.


Please read the following

https://carm.org/nestorianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10755a.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/Nestorianism.html






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I apologize for not being able to give a fuller post in regards to the subject. I find this conversation intriguing surrounding the context and name Josiah.
An attempt to take captives for Egypt by those ordained by a Pharaoh is something strange indeed when you see it. Men of Babylon chasing after a Golden 9x9. hollering all they way to destruction, its a dream.

Josiah had a son. Everyone should read this book in entirety if possible. Pray for understanding. I will post verse to convey some of the impressions given to me.
Sharp eyes may see parallels


2 Kings 22
Josiah Repairs the Temple
3Now in the eighteenth year of King Josiah, the king sent Shaphan, the son of Azaliah the son of Meshullam the scribe, to the house of the LORD saying,4"Go up to Hilkiah the high priest that he may count the money brought in to the house of the LORD which the doorkeepers have gathered from the people.…


Jeremiah 1King James Version (KJV)

1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin:
2 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.

The True vine?
This is spoken of throughout the Torah.
Ch 2
21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?



Below is a link for those who wish to further a love already purchased.
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3414.htm

"יאשיהו" Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Yoshiyyah or Yoshiyyahu
Phonetic Spelling: (yo-shee-yaw')
Short Definition:
Word Origin
from Yah and asheyah
Definition
"Yah supports," two Isr.
Josiah.


I always Love the I am parts.
Remember what the Disciple answered to the question.

Peter's Confession of Christ
13Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
14And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets."
15He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"…


I did leave some scripture to read in hopes someone would reconsider.
Jeremiah"יִרְמְיָה Yah exalts
Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Yirmeyah or Yirmeyahu
Phonetic Spelling: (yir-meh-yaw')
Definition
"Yah loosens," the name of a number of Isr.

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[pinacled]

And to the Op
Seek, Knock, Ask.


Deuteronomy 6King James Version (KJV)

6 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as theLord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
10 And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,
11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;
12 Then beware lest thou forget the Lord, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
13 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
14Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
15 (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
16 Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
17 Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the Lordyour God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
18 And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the Lord: that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest go in and possess the good land which the Lordsware unto thy fathers.
19 To cast out all thine enemies from before thee, as the Lordhath spoken.
20 And when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What mean the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord our God hath commanded you?
21 Then thou shalt say unto thy son, We were Pharaoh's bondmen in Egypt; and the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand:
22 And the Lord shewed signs and wonders, great and sore, upon Egypt, upon Pharaoh, and upon all his household, before our eyes:
23 And he brought us out from thence, that he might bring us in, to give us the land which he sware unto our fathers.
24 And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.

 

[pinacled]

Deuteronomy 7King James Version (KJV)

7 When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lordthy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lordbrought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.
11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the Lord thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
14 Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.
15 And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.
16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.
17 If thou shalt say in thine heart, These nations are more than I; how can I dispossess them?
18 Thou shalt not be afraid of them: but shalt well remember what the Lord thy God did unto Pharaoh, and unto all Egypt;
19 The great temptations which thine eyes saw, and the signs, and the wonders, and the mighty hand, and the stretched out arm, whereby the Lord thy God brought thee out: so shall the Lord thy God do unto all the people of whom thou art afraid.
20 Moreover the Lord thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed.
21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.
22 And the Lord thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: thou mayest not consume them at once, lest the beasts of the field increase upon thee.
23 But the Lord thy God shall deliver them unto thee, and shall destroy them with a mighty destruction, until they be destroyed.
24 And he shall deliver their kings into thine hand, and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them.
25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the Lord thy God.

26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

 

[pinacled]

Deuteronomy 8King James Version (KJV)

8 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers.
2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the Lord thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

4 Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell, these forty years.
5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the Lord thy God chasteneth thee.
6 Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lordthy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.
7 For the Lord thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths that spring out of valleys and hills;
8 A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey;
9 A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass.
10 When thou hast eaten and art full, then thou shalt bless the Lord thy God for the good land which he hath given thee.
11 Beware that thou forget not the Lord thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day:
12 Lest when thou hast eaten and art full, and hast built goodly houses, and dwelt therein;
13 And when thy herds and thy flocks multiply, and thy silver and thy gold is multiplied, and all that thou hast is multiplied;
14 Then thine heart be lifted up, and thou forget the Lord thy God, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage;
15 Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;
16 Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end;
17 And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth.
18 But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
19 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the Lord thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.
20 As the nations which the Lord destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the Lord your God.

 

[Josiah]

I apologize for not being able to give a fuller post in regards to the subject. I find this conversation intriguing surrounding the context and name Josiah.
An attempt to take captives for Egypt by those ordained by a Pharaoh is something strange indeed when you see it. Men of Babylon chasing after a Golden 9x9. hollering all they way to destruction, its a dream.

Josiah had a son. Everyone should read this book in entirety if possible. Pray for understanding. I will post verse to convey some of the impressions given to me.
Sharp eyes may see parallels


2 Kings 22
Josiah Repairs the Temple
3Now in the eighteenth year of King Josiah, the king sent Shaphan, the son of Azaliah the son of Meshullam the scribe, to the house of the LORD saying,4"Go up to Hilkiah the high priest that he may count the money brought in to the house of the LORD which the doorkeepers have gathered from the people.…


Jeremiah 1King James Version (KJV)

1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin:
2 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.

The True vine?
This is spoken of throughout the Torah.
Ch 2
21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?



Below is a link for those who wish to further a love already purchased.
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3414.htm

"יאשיהו" Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Yoshiyyah or Yoshiyyahu
Phonetic Spelling: (yo-shee-yaw')
Short Definition:
Word Origin
from Yah and asheyah
Definition
"Yah supports," two Isr.
Josiah.


I always Love the I am parts.
Remember what the Disciple answered to the question.

Peter's Confession of Christ
13Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
14And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets."
15He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"…


I did leave some scripture to read in hopes someone would reconsider.
Jeremiah"יִרְמְיָה Yah exalts
Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Yirmeyah or Yirmeyahu
Phonetic Spelling: (yir-meh-yaw')
Definition
"Yah loosens," the name of a number of Isr.

​

sorry. I just don't follow how any of that makes affirming Matthew 1:18 and Titus 2:13 to be "false, wrong and blasphemy."

Or what King Josiah has to do with this.


Sorry.







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[pinacled]

No. Jesus is not the Incarnate Father. There is no title of: "Mary - the Mother of the Father." Or "Mary - the Source of the Trinity." Mary bore JESUS and THIS Jesus (the one born, the one who is Incarnate) is correctly called "GOD" by Scripture and by the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils.


Please read the following

https://carm.org/nestorianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10755a.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/Nestorianism.html






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Well maybe Christ is a better Teacher than wikipedia.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

[pinacled]

sorry. I just don't follow how any of that makes affirming Matthew 1:18 and Titus 2:13 to be "false, wrong and blasphemy."

Or what King Josiah has to do with this.


Sorry.







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The meek shall inherit the earth.

Those that destroy the earth shall be destroyed.

The Dragon Persecutes the Woman
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15And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood. 16But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. 17So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

 

[Josiah]

The meek shall inherit the earth.

No doubt. I just don't follow why that makes affirming Matthew 1:18 and Titus 2:13 to be "false, wrong and blasphemy." Or how that proves that Nestorius was correct rather than a heretic.


https://carm.org/nestorianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10755a.htm

http://www.gotquestions.org/Nestorianism.html




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[Lamb]

Pinacled, could you explain your posts since they don't really seem to relate to the topic?

 

[George]

I have no clue how Pharaoh relates to this.

 

[Josiah]

I have no clue how Pharaoh relates to this.

Or King Josiah.
Or some dragon.


The point is: Is it okay to affirm the two truths of Matthew 1:18 and Titus 2:13 (my point) OR is such "false, wrong and blasphemy" as has been charged?


Actually, what I think this has all boiled down to (morphed into) is a discussion of Nestorianism. Some here are parroting, echoing and defending it. Others of us are noting it's actually a universally, ecumenically, historically condemned heresy.



Thank you!


A blessed Lenten season to you and yours.


- Josiah