Jesus died for the sins of the world

[brightfame52]

That verse pertains to Holy Communion, where not ALL mankind will partake. It doesn't mean that Jesus did not die for all. Let's see the first part of that:
Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the[b] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

You see, this is about the believers taking Holy Communion.

As you can see, I dont agree with you.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

I recently got SXM radio and was listening to Family Talk (a Christian station). I used to understand Calvanism as sound theology but never considered myself one, but this host had me thinking. He mentioned Calvinist and refuted the claim that Jesus only died for the sins of the elect.
Jesus in fact died for everyone's sin HOWEVER any individual can choose to reject His atonement if they wish and in doing so remain condemned to die the second death.
God wills that all be saved.
How then can we harmonize free will with the will of God?
I don't believe works save, I believe works are evidence of faith and that these works are charity (God being the sole witness to them).
Fruits of the Spirit or gifts of the Spirit have nothing to do with works, they are God given attributes for his elected servants.
Thoughts?

What are the works of your free will?

 

[Messy]

@SetFree

I made one and only one "claim" about you: That you have not posted any Scripture that states what you do, that "each person must make a free choice to believe or not." And it's undeniably and obvious that you have not.






Obviously, as everyone knows, I did address it. I noted that you yourself prove that NOTHING in John 17 states that the dead, unregenerate, unbelieving atheist "has free will" and "must choose for himself whether to believe or not."



Since there is no verse that states what you do, you might consider what Scripture DOES state:

Ephesians 2:1
"You were dead in your trespasses and sins..."

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"

1 Corinthians 2:14
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit because they are folly to him and he cannot understand them."

Ephesians 1:3-7
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace."

2 Thessalonians 2:13
"But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth."

John 15:16
"You did not choose me, but I chose you."

2 Timothy 1:9
"Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began."

Others....
Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:20,22,27; Luke 18:7; Romans 8:33; Colossians 3:12; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1, and many, many more.



Here are the verses that state what you do: "Each dead unbeliever has free will and must choose for himself whether to believe or not."

Crickets (as you prove)




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Peter told em to get saved and baptized in Acts 2. Those things are both true. Of course you can't make a decision for God if God doesn't first do a miracle and also if you don't hear the Word, but how can God do a miracle if you don't explain to someone that Jesus died for their sins and they have to ask forgiveness for their sins and accept Him. I did believe that God existed after I asked Him for signs, but for the rest I had no clue what to do. I thought that was it. Just believe that God exist. They had to explain it in a church.

 

[brightfame52]

How can anyone Christ died for be condemned ? Rom 8:34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. The law has been fulfilled, justice has been satisfied, sin has been paid for; So Paul is intimating that condemnation for any of them is impossible. Its not possible because of His Death for them, and since that's the case, none for whom He died will be condemned. All for whom he died, died with and in Him, so for them the law cannot demand their death again.

2 Cor 5:14

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:[or all died with Him]

 

[Albion]

Peter told em to get saved and baptized in Acts 2. Those things are both true. Of course you can't make a decision for God if God doesn't first do a miracle and also if you don't hear the Word, but how can God do a miracle if you don't explain to someone that Jesus died for their sins and they have to ask forgiveness for their sins and accept Him. I did believe that God existed after I asked Him for signs, but for the rest I had no clue what to do. I thought that was it. Just believe that God exist. They had to explain it in a church.

?? Don't most people come to Christ, make a decision for Christ, or however we want to describe a conversion experience...by being convinced of the truth of the Bible?

Is the idea here that unless roses are seen blooming in the snow or the sun dances and dives in the sky (to name two famous miracles in history), that none of us can come to Faith and be saved????

Maybe you are using the word miracle in a different sense.

 

[Messy]

?? Don't most people come to Christ, make a decision for Christ, or however we want to describe a conversion experience...by being convinced of the truth of the Bible?

Is the idea here that unless roses are seen blooming in the snow or the sun dances and dives in the sky (to name two famous miracles in history), that none of us can come to Faith and be saved????

Maybe you are using the word miracle in a different sense.

Must be my English. A wonder maybe. I meant that God gives you faith.

 

[Josiah]

How can anyone Christ died for be condemned ? Rom 8:34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. The law has been fulfilled, justice has been satisfied, sin has been paid for; So Paul is intimating that condemnation for any of them is impossible. Its not possible because of His Death for them, and since that's the case, none for whom He died will be condemned. All for whom he died, died with and in Him, so for them the law cannot demand their death again.

2 Cor 5:14

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:[or all died with Him]

Again, you prove that you have not one verse that states that Jesus died ONLY for some few. Indeed, you seem to show the opposite. Now, obviously, just because Jesus died for all doesn't mean all are therefore personally justified - that also requires faith (and not all have faith).


Here are just some of the Scriptures that verbatim, flat-out, literally STATE that Jesus died for all. for everyone:

1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.​

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

2 Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all

2 Corinthians 5:19 That is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself as a ransom for all.

There are several more.


Here are the Scriptures that state, "No, Jesus did not die for all but rather ONLY for ______________."


Crickets.



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[Messy]

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