Interactive Religion?

[1689Dave]

So you're now saying He didn't take the wrath that would otherwise have to be taken by the unsaved. You might want to edit your post #17 to correct your statement.

God cannot die. You are off on your understanding of the event.

 

[rstrats]

God cannot die. You are off on your understanding of the event.

Sorry, I misread your statement. What do you mean by - "Jesus took the wrath of God in place of the elect ..."?

 

[1689Dave]

Sorry, I misread your statement. What do you mean by - "Jesus took the wrath of God in place of the elect ..."?

Jesus on the cross poured out his body and soul (fleshly cognitive consciousness). His Spirit didn't suffer or die, it is God.

 

[rstrats]

Jesus on the cross poured out his body and soul (fleshly cognitive consciousness). His Spirit didn't suffer or die, it is God.

So, what wrath did He take that would otherwise have to be taken by the elect?

 

[1689Dave]

So, what wrath did He take that would otherwise have to be taken by the elect?

God was satisfied by Christ's suffering on the cross as sufficient payment for the sins of the elect. But you are missing the big picture concerning the purpose of creation and how this fits with it.

 

[rstrats]

God was satisfied by Christ's suffering on the cross as sufficient payment for the sins of the elect.

But that is not what you initially wrote. You wrote - "Jesus took the wrath of God in place of the elect ..." I took that to mean that the Messiah took the wrath that would otherwise have to be taken by the elect. I was simply asking what the wrath was.

 

[1689Dave]

But that is not what you initially wrote. You wrote - "Jesus took the wrath of God in place of the elect ..." I took that to mean that the Messiah took the wrath that would otherwise have to be taken by the elect. I was simply asking what the wrath was.

He did, and what you see was satisfying to God.

 

[rstrats]

He did...

And what was the wrath that He took that would otherwise have to be taken by the elect?

 

[1689Dave]

And what was the wrath that He took that would otherwise have to be taken by the elect?

As God, he took the equivalent of suffering for the elect sinner's eternity in Hell. God was satisfied even if you are not.

 

[Albion]

He did, and what you see was satisfying to God.

But being that he WAS God, you are saying that he pleased himself by dying.

This theory makes the crucifixion into an exercise in masochism rather than a payment for the punishment that mankind (or the Elect, if you prefer) deserved.

 

[1689Dave]

But being that he WAS God, you are saying that he pleased himself by dying.

This theory makes the crucifixion into an exercise in masochism rather than a payment for the punishment that mankind (or the Elect, if you prefer) deserved.

God is Love. And Christ's death on the cross for the elect demonstrates this. His wrath on the reprobate shows the extent of His love in Christ's death.

You should try to grasp the depths of His love.

 

[rstrats]

As God, he took the equivalent of suffering for the elect sinner's eternity in Hell. God was satisfied even if you are not.

re: "As God, he took the equivalent of suffering for the elect sinner's eternity in Hell."

How is suffering for part of a day equal to being tortured 24/7 for eternity?



re: " God was satisfied even if you are not."

That's a different issue.

 

[1689Dave]

re: "As God, he took the equivalent of suffering for the elect sinner's eternity in Hell."

How is suffering for part of a day equal to being tortured 24/7 for eternity?



re: " God was satisfied even if you are not."

That's a different issue.

Are you questioning God? Fat chance of getting anywhere but hell with that.

 

[rstrats]

Are you questioning God? Fat chance of getting anywhere but hell with that.

Hey, I was just wondering how it was equal.

 

[Albion]

Hey, I was just wondering how it was equal.

It's equal in the only way that it could be, considering that we are comparing a human experience to an eternal situation in the spirit world about which we have been warned but never have seen.

It strikes you as unequal that hell is forever and the crucifixion was a matter of hours, but this was God lowering himself to become one of his own creatures (!) in order to die one of the most humiliating and painful, prolonged, deaths that any system of criminal justice could employ--and it's the death of a completely innocent man as well. After 2000 years, this event still has the power to awe and terrify us in a way that few other executions do.