Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

[Albion]

The people Christ died for and Justified will sooner or later be given Faith as an evidence.

Who ARE "the people Christ died for," then? The Bible seems to be full of passages that call on people to become disciples of Christ, and we remember that Jesus told his Apostles to go into the whole world making converts and then baptizing them. None of that would be needed according to your theory here.

 

[brightfame52]

albion

Who ARE "the people Christ died for," then

His Sheep Jn 10, or His Church Eph 5:25

 

[Albion]

albion



His Sheep Jn 10, or His Church Eph 5:25

Okay, but that sounds like what a believer in Predestination would maintain.

It would seem to go along with the idea I've been reading here that Faith is almost incidental because God chooses who is going to be saved in advance, and all that we see in Scripture calling everyone to Christ or about converting unbelievers, etc. becomes a waste of time since that has nothing to do with it. Certainly, their Faith or lack of it becomes meaningless according to that interpretation.

 

[Nazareth]

Theres no proof that you are if God hasnt given you faith in Jesus. The people Christ died for and Justified will sooner or later be given Faith as an evidence.

But understand, one who Christ died for is still Justified before God even before they are given Faith, they are given Faith because they already were Justified solely by the death of Christ. Please read this thread and my comments within it, I go into details.

My question pertained to the idea faith doesn't save, Jesus does.

 

[Nazareth]

Okay, but that sounds like what a believer in Predestination would maintain.

It would seem to go along with the idea I've been reading here that Faith is almost incidental because God chooses who is going to be saved in advance, and all that we see in Scripture calling everyone to Christ or about converting unbelievers, etc. becomes a waste of time since that has nothing to do with it. Certainly, their Faith or lack of it becomes meaningless according to that interpretation.

This is a Calvinist community.

 

[Albion]

This is a Calvinist community.

What is it that you are saying is a Calvinist community? And how does that affect the discussion going on here on this particular thread?

 

[Nazareth]

What is it that you are saying is a Calvinist community? And how does that affect the discussion going on here on this particular thread?

Sorry, I thought you knew predestination was part of Calvinist doctrine.

Editing to add for your clarity: The community I was referring to is this site, Christianity Haven.

 

[brightfame52]

Okay, but that sounds like what a believer in Predestination would maintain.

It would seem to go along with the idea I've been reading here that Faith is almost incidental because God chooses who is going to be saved in advance, and all that we see in Scripture calling everyone to Christ or about converting unbelievers, etc. becomes a waste of time since that has nothing to do with it. Certainly, their Faith or lack of it becomes meaningless according to that interpretation.

Its what Jesus said. Read Jn 10:11,15 and tell us who did Jesus specifically say He died for ? Then read Eph 5:25 and who did Paul under inspiration state specifically who Christ Loved and gave Himself for.

 

[brightfame52]

My question pertained to the idea faith doesn't save, Jesus does.

I dont see why you should question that ? Jesus is the Saviour, not a persons faith. Faith looks to Christ to have saved.

 

[Nazareth]

I dont see why you should question that ? Jesus is the Saviour, not a persons faith. Faith looks to Christ to have saved.

You don't?
I was just responding to what you said in post 96.

Let's move on.

 

[brightfame52]

You don't?
I was just responding to what you said in post 96.

Let's move on.

No problem, but please when you respond to anyone's post make it intelligible so we can see how it fits in, thanks

 

[Lamb]

Sorry, I thought you knew predestination was part of Calvinist doctrine.

Editing to add for your clarity: The community I was referring to is this site, Christianity Haven.

We are a community of all different faiths. I'm Lutheran and there are a couple other Lutherans, there is an Anglican, a Catholic or two, a lot of non-denoms, some Baptists, etc...

 

[Nazareth]

We are a community of all different faiths. I'm Lutheran and there are a couple other Lutherans, there is an Anglican, a Catholic or two, a lot of non-denoms, some Baptists, etc...

Thanks. I was told by a member @ a different forum that this was a Calvinist community. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Nazareth]

No problem, but please when you respond to anyone's post make it intelligible so we can see how it fits in, thanks

OK. I was wrong to presume to understand your post 96.

Thanks for the insight.

 

[Albion]

Sorry, I thought you knew predestination was part of Calvinist doctrine.

Yes, we know that. The question was asking what you were referring to when writing "this is a Calvinist community."

Editing to add for your clarity: The community I was referring to is this site, Christianity Haven.

I see now that other replies explained that your thinking about this had been mistaken, but thanks just the same for giving us an answer.

 

[Albion]

Its what Jesus said. Read Jn 10:11,15 and tell us who did Jesus specifically say He died for ? Then read Eph 5:25 and who did Paul under inspiration state specifically who Christ Loved and gave Himself for.

I think you've missed the point of my post. I was not taking a stand there either for or against predestination. What I was observing was that your answers take the predestinarian POV concerning Faith, yet most Bible-believing Christians and Christian churches are not Calvinistic.

For them, Faith is not just "an example" of something that's already been decided without the benefit of Faith. Faith is the vehicle that God has established by which Men are incorporated into the sacrifice that Christ underwent on the Cross.

 

[Nazareth]

Yes, we know that. The question was asking what you were referring to when writing "this is a Calvinist community."


I see now that other replies explained that your thinking about this had been mistaken, but thanks just the same for giving us an answer.

No, my thinking was mistaken in believing I could read a thread and think it made sense, and answered accordingly.

Now. I realize you don't understand proximity. ''This community/forum'' is pretty basic understanding.
We're here in this forum,community. Ergo ''this'' is relative.

But not here.
Calvinism isn't known of here, interjecting what I was previously told, that CH, that stands for Christianity Haven, the name of this forum,community, was Calvinist, was a mistake given predestination is relative to Calvinism. Which would not be something you all are aware of when you don't know what Calvinism is.

All is news to me, the lack of awareness regarding those matters pertaining to basic English and relativity given this, right here where I'm posting this, is the Theology Forum.

And all that I've previously said is related to theology.
But apparently that fact is unintelligible to some.

Unfortunate. However I am learning your limitations and shall post accordingly in future.

 

[brightfame52]

Being Justified by His Grace !

Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we [The Elect] should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

This does refer back to Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

In other words since all the Election of Grace has been Justified by Grace, it is only becoming that each one of them should be made experientially an Heir of Promise by New Birth. We are made meet as it is stated here Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father not our freewill, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Also it is what is meant in 2 Cor 5:21 to be made the Righteousness of God. The word made here in 2 Cor 5:21 and Titus 3:7 is the greek word ginomai and means:


to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being

This speaks of becoming a New Creature, a New being or Birth or man in Christ !

Also Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Being Justified by Christ's Blood or Obedience, we shall be made experientially Righteous [By New Birth] Just as because of Adam's disobedience we were made experientially unrighteous or sinners or ungodly !

 

[Albion]

No, my thinking was mistaken in believing I could read a thread and think it made sense, and answered accordingly.

In other words, you misunderstood.

Calvinism isn't known of here,

Sure it is. But it's not talked about much unless someone is interested enough to bring it up for discussion.

More often than not, the religious topics here deal with practical matters, which could be a good thing.

 

[Nazareth]

In other words, you misunderstood.

Technically per the subject, no not at all.

Sure it is. But it's not talked about much unless someone is interested enough to bring it up for discussion.

More often than not, the religious topics here deal with practical matters, which could be a good thing.

I see.