Who is "him that justifieth the ungodly"?

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Justifying the Ungodly and how !

That God Justifying the Ungodly is an accomplishment of Christ's death, its seen in Paul's Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Now notice as highlighted Vs 33b " It is God that Justifieth" and heres how highlighted in Vs 34b "It is Christ that died", and 34c goes on to say" yea rather, that is risen again"

After dying and Justifying, His being risen validates they are Justified as pointed out in Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification

In other words, if being delivered for our offences did not satisfy completely Gods Law and Justice for our sins, did not fully wipe our record clean before Him, then Christ would not have risen from the dead, since Justice would not have been completely satisfied !

Justice was fully satisfied because He died, and the Resurrection proved it !

Now to say one must become a believer or exercise faith in Christ, in order to be made Just/Righteous before God, after Christ has died for them, and rose again from the dead as a testimony to His Justifying death before Gods law and Justice, its to tell a lie, such a lie is against the very testimony of Christ's Resurrection, its against the merits of Christ's blood, that the blood is not the sole reason why God Justifieth the Ungodly, which is contempt for the Blood of Christ ! It tends to elevate the merit of what the sinner does to be justified before God, rather than what the death of Christ did to cause us to be Justified before God !

 

[Albion]

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How to deny Justification by Grace !

There's Two scriptures, the Word of God, that clearly state that Justification is by the Grace of God Rom 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Titus 3:7

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Now a way that evil men deny this Spiritual Blessing in Christ Jesus is by stating or even inferring that one for whom Christ died, is not Justified before God and by God [for it is God that Justifieth Rom 8:33] before they become believers, for if we in any degree believe that or lend support to that, we deny Justification by Grace, and at the same time lend support to Justification by works ! 15

 

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Christ dying for us is Justification by His Blood !

Rom 5:8-9-10

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Being Now Justified by His Blood is the outcome of Gods action of commendeth His Love toward us, and Christ died for us, all the while we were sinners, unconverted, enemies, as stated in Vs 10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Folks Reconciled to God while enemies is the same as Justified by God while ungodly enemies , based upon the death or blood of Christ ! 15

 

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Understanding Justification by Faith !

Rom 5:1-2

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

There is a True sense in which the Believer for whom Christ died is Justified by Faith, its just not as the false teachers would tell us, that one becomes Justified before God when they believe ! Thats a Lie ! However the believer receives Justification into their conscience, which is not Justification itself, but it is the Knowledge of it, its being given a Spiritual , experiential knowledge of Salvation in the Remission of sins, whats taught here in Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Thats Justification by Faith or by Knowledge ! Its how Faith purifies the heart and or conscience Acts 15:9

And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

This is Gods doing, for man cannot purify his own heart, lest he be like these Prov 20:9

Who can say, I have made my heart clean or pure, I am pure from my sin?

The hebrew word for clean here zakah means:

I.to be clean, be pure, be clear

A.(Qal)

i.to be clean, be pure


ii.to be clear, be justified



B.(Piel)

i.to make clean, make pure, keep clean, keep pure

So when God purifies our hearts/consciences by Faith, that gives us Justification by Faith, knowledge !

 

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Justified by His Blood !

All for whom Christ died, whom He shed His Blood for the Many, even the Blood of the Covenant/Testament Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. The word remission also means forgiveness, the forgiveness of sins , which is also Justification. The word forgiveness is the greek word aphesis and means:


I.release from bondage or imprisonment


II.forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

Those He shed His blood for have been released once and for all from the penalty of sin, so much so, its as if they never committed any one sin ! Thats Justification from sin in the eyes of God, based solely on the Blood of Christ shed, which alone satisfied His Law and Justice and Righteousness !

The word Justification, one of its meanings is:

I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him, which again has to do with forgiveness of sins !

Now forgiveness is also related to redemption, redemption through His Blood Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

This word redemption, the greek word apolytrōsis means:

I.a releasing effected by payment of ransom

A.redemption, deliverance


B.liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

everywhere in the N. T. metaphorically, viz. deliverance effected through the death of Christ from the retributive wrath of a holy God and the merited penalty of sin:

Which redemption is stated to have Justified those Christ died for Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

In principle Rom 3:24 and Eph 1:7 and Matt 26:28 are all teaching the same thing, Justification, Forgiveness, Redemption by the Blood of Christ, and not by faith in the blood of Christ, but solely by and through the blood of Christ Rom 5:9, which to deny is simply unbelief and pride ! 16

 

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Justification of Life !

Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Jesus once said as the Head of the Church, Jn 14:19

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

We know Christ Lives from the Testimony of scripture of His Resurrection, its a Gospel Truth 1 Cor 15:5-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

In fact, if He had not risen, it means that those He died for are yet in their sins 1 Cor 15:17

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Now Christ being raised from the dead, after having been delivered to death for our sins, He rose again for Our Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Which resurrection/raising again is Life, Jesus said once again Jn 11:25

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life

Now the Justification in Rom 5:18 is that which is stated in Rom 4:25, and through and by that Resurrection, Life is communicated to the Justified, which are all men for whom He was delivered for their offences/sins .

This Life is communicated to them, in so much as the Head Lives, the Body Must Live.

Since the Head rose from the Dead with Resurrection Life, the members of His Body must also, or the Heads Resurrection was for nought, fruitless.

Life results from Justification, which is why Jesus rose from the dead, after having been condemned to death for our sins, when Justice for the condemned was satisfied, proof was resurrection from the dead, Life, when Christ was given life from the dead, it was a pledge that all whom He represented shall be given Life from the dead, because they were Justified to Life. Life results from Justification because Justification is Righteousness. The word for Justification in both Rom 5:18;4:25 is dikaiósis and means:

the act of pronouncing righteous, acquittal

God Honors Righteousness with Life Prov 12:28

In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

Gill writes on this verse:

In the way of righteousness is life,.... The life of the soul, or spiritual life, as Aben Ezra; and eternal life, as Gersom. One that is in the true way of righteousness is one that is instilled by the righteousness of Christ, which justification is the justification of life: such an one is made alive, and reckons himself alive in a law sense; and enjoys true spiritual peace and comfort, arising from the love and favour of God, and acceptance with him, in which he sees his interest, and in which is life; and this righteousness, by which he is justified before God, entitles him to eternal life; to which the path of holiness, he is directed and enabled to walk in, leads; though it is a narrow way, and a strait gate, Matthew 7:14. Christ, and righteousness and holiness in and by him, are the way, the truth, and the life, or the true way to eternal life; and all in this way now live spiritually, and shall live eternally, John 14:6;

One cannot be one for whom Christ died, and not receive Justification of Life, that would mean that the Resurrection was a farce, and those Christ died for are yet still in their sins ! 1 Cor 15:17 ! 16

 

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Because He Lives, we shall Live !

Jesus once said as the Head of the Church, Jn 14:19

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Jesus here is Speaking as the Head of His Body the Church. Because He Lives speaks of His Resurrection from the dead after having giving Himself for His Body the Church Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

And He is the Saviour of the Body, His Church Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

The Body and the Church are the same. He is the Saviour of the Body, and because the Head Lives, the Body must Live also, or something has went wrong, has aborted !

The Head was delivered from Death, so must the Body be also. This answers the Prophecy we have in Isa 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Christ's Body the Church, was dead in sin Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

When we [The Body, Church] were dead in sins, God quickened us together with Christ [Our Head and Saviour] !

The Body is made alive and lives because its Head was made alive to Live !

Jesus as the risen Head says Rev 1:18

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 2:8

And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Jesus speaking metaphorically says of His Body the Church, His Temple Jn 2:19-21

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

We understand that His Body the Church, is also the Temple of God Eph 2:21

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

The Church is His Body Eph 1:22-23

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

The Church is His Temple Eph 2:21

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

1 Cor 3:16

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Because He Lives, He builds His Temple, raises it up Acts 15:16

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

This is the fulfillment of Amos 9:11 where it reads raise up instead of build again 11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

Its the same word used in Isa 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Because the Head Lives, so must His Body Live, His Body with all of its individual members 1 Cor 12:12

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 16

 

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According to Rom 5:9 !

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Were believers Justified by Christ's Blood or by their believing /faith ? It cannot be both, for being Justified by His Blood is not our act of faith, and our believing is not the Blood of Christ !

 

[Albion]

Were believers Justified by Christ's Blood or by their believing /faith ? It cannot be both, for being Justified by His Blood is not our act of faith, and our believing is not the Blood of Christ !

Nonsense. It is entirely possible that two things are needed to complete a process.

Christ's blood made salvation possible, and Faith in Christ and his sacrifice is the way that Christ himself taught that his followers would become eligible for the benefits offered because of that sacrifice.

If either of those were to be missing, no human could escape the consequences of his sins.

 

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We are Justified, made right with God, if and when Christ has taken away our sins, Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Heb 10:11-12

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The implication here is this man did what other priest could not do, take away sins !

But the Man/Priest Christ did this, not our believing it, so we are Justified and had our sins taken away before we believed ! 16

 

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@Albion

Christ's blood made salvation possible

This is a damanble heresy, those whom Christ shed His Blood for are Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

 

[Albion]

We are Justified, made right with God, if and when Christ has taken away our sins, Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Heb 10:11-12

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The implication here is this man did what other priest could not do, take away sins !

But the Man/Priest Christ did this, not our believing it, so we are Justified and had our sins taken away before we believed ! 16

Well, you appear simply to misunderstand the message--and refuse to consider all the Bible verses that would alert you to the mistake. Perhaps a visit to the "Ask A Pastor" section of the forum would help.

 

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Justified from our sins before we believe !

Those of us who came to Faith in Christ, we were Justified from our sins before Gid before we came to believe, because before we believe God saith Isa 44:21-22

21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

Lets notice the basis for Gods Call to His People for their return to Him or repentance, it was based upon , foundationed upon what He has already done, which was He hath blotted out their Transgressions, He had Redeemed them, which comes only by and through the Cross of Christ Col 2:13-14

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

You see that phrase "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way"

It means their sins and transgressions against Gods Law, and its the same as in Isa 44:22, He taketh them away by nailing them to Christ's Cross, Note: The OT Saints looked forward to the Blood of Christ that taketh away their sins] their sins as well as NT Saints were imputed to Christ, and so returning to God by Faith and Repentance is premised on what has been done [the forgiveness of sins and redemption by Christ] even before we believed, even before we existed ; You see Christ did not die for our sins when we believed, but way before we believed, and in the Eternal Counsels of God, before the world began Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20 !

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