They Key thing you said was "Orthodox Jewish practices, which branched off from the Old Testament religion" Most of these practices came into being after the era of the Prophets and don't line up with Old Testament teachings. These Jewish practices/beliefs could be part of the doctrines of men and the "Jewish Fables" and commandments of men mentioned in Titus 1:14. The fact that Jewish mystics practiced something doesn't make it orthodox. If they believe or command something that wasn't in the Law or the prophets then the Jews are in error. And we can see from the Jewish history, they had a nasty habit of going after other Gods and practices. If purgatory was handed on from Jews then it was handed on from Jews who were in error. Remember, even in the 1st Century there was great debate among Jews as to what happens after death. Some believed in the Resurrection from the dead and others didn't. Saying that (some) Jews believe something doesn't mean that it is true.
And saying
you believe in something or dom't believe in something doesn't mean it's true.
The point I was making was that purgatory does not come from paganism It was present is Judaism.
I said:
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abbi Shammai (50 BC - AD 30), one of the two main teachers of early rabbinical Judaism, also is on record as having interpreted Zechariah 13:9 as referring to a state of purification after death. Isaiah 66:15-16 and Malachi 3:2-3 were also interpreted in rabbinic literature as referring to the purgatorial process.
That is before Jesus started preaching. So there is no need to reach back into paganism as an origin for the belief.
We could debate whether 2 Maccabees is inspired scripture but even if it was there are issues with the Catholic interpretation.
First, it is descriptive not prescriptive. It doesn't comment on if what they were doing was orthodox or commanded. It simply points out what they did. No where in Scripture are we commanded to pray for the souls in purgatory. No where is scripture are souls in purgatory ever mentioned. Just because some Jews believed that that praying for their dead friends might help them doesn't mean what they was doing was orthodox.
As with my comment above it shows a practice in Judaism. So there is no need to reach back into paganism as an origin for the belief.
Second, they prayed for people who committed idolatry, which as I understand it, the Catholic church considers to be a mortal sin. In other words, (according to Catholic doctrine) they were wasting their time. In which case, using them as an example to follow if foolhardy.
Only God can judge what is mortal sin for a particular person. Judas could not know that so he did what he could "and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out,"
What actions/decisions can a dead person make concerning their eternal destination? What future behavior is purgatory trying to correct?
As Paul says:
“Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamour and slander be put away from you, with all malice” (Eph 4:31).
As I said in post #47
Love never ends says St. Paul (1 Cor 13:8). In heaven what else will there be.
“So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.”. (1 Cor 13:13), and in heaven there will be no need of faith for we will be in the presence of God; there will be no need for hope because we will have attained all that we hoped for.
All that we will need is perfect love, and indeed nothing else; indeed love is “
the bond of perfection”. All else besides love; that which detracts from love; that is less than love must be left behind. There can be no anger, hate, lust, greed, jealousy, pride, covetousness, or any such thing. It is not enough to “cover up” such things, they must be expunged, burnt out by the refiners fire (Mal 3:2).
Purgatory is seen as a purification process where the disorders in us caused by sin are healed, where the lingering attachments to sin, such as pride, anger lust etc., and “bad attitudes” are cleared out, so that we can be pure and holy and fit to be in the presence of God. It is God’s mercy to allow us to be purified before we enter his presence, as we could not bear to be in his presence unless we are pure and holy. Without it we could not achieve the holiness necessary to enter heaven -
"the holiness without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14)
And in post #58
This purification is being made holy. It is a work of God, not our work. But we have to co-operate with God and do what we can to assist the process. It is not a passive thing. We can do this now in this part of our life, or we can do it after death in purgatory. But we must be fully holy before we can enter heaven.
What actions/decisions can a dead person make concerning their eternal destination? What future behavior is purgatory trying to correct?
Why do you think fire/suffering is required to remove sin? All Jesus had to do to forgive sins was say "Your sins are forgiven". Why doesn't Christ just speak forgiveness for all our sins instead of putting us through the fires of purgatory?
This purification is not about forgiveness of sin. It is about rectifying the (secondary) consequences of sin.
As I said in post #47
It is about the
secondary consequences of sin not the
primary consequence of sin. The primary consequence of sin is a rupture (partial or total) of communion with God. It is the healing of that rupture that Jesus atoned for on the cross.
We are born into a sinful condition.
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” (Psalm 51:5).
During our lives we pile sin upon sin.
“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1Jn 1:8).
Or as St. Paul put it
“Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.” (Rom 7:25)
Unless we do something about them the consequences of sin accumulate and we are told that nothing unclean may enter heaven (Rev 21:27). "
But Christ is our righteousness which we receive by faith. We aren't holy because we don't sin, we are Holy because Christ makes us holy through His Sacrifice on our behalf. We seek personal holiness out of love and devotion to Christ, not in order to be achieve ultimate salvation and hopes of avoiding purgatory. If it is in order to be saved then eternal life isn't a free gift but is something we earn through our effort. If that is the case then what was the point of Christ coming for us? We could have tried to earn salvation by keeping the Mosaic Law. We would have failed but it is not really different that trying to earn merit by keeping the fast, festivals, and sacraments of Catholicism. Both turn the free gift of eternal life in Christ into wages to be earned. Which is exactly the kind of thing Paul was warning us about in Romans 3: 1-6
Ah! The couch potato Christian. “I have nothing to do but lie here and Christ will do it all.”
Not for the couch potato to
work out your own salvation with fear and trembling (Phil 2:12)
Not for the couch potato to run the race (1Cor 9:24-27)
Not for the couch potato to
be rich in good works (1Tim 6:18) or
Nor are the couch potato
which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works.(Ti 3:8)
But the couch potato is one whose
end shall be according to their works (2Cor 11:15)
Try reading Mt 25:31-46 for the fate of those who think faith is enough and no effort is required by them.
I believe it is the opposite. It ties our salvation to our heart that has been changed from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh, while giving love and grace to us in our struggles against the temptations of this world. It takes the burden of "performance" off the table and replaces it with a loving relationship with the Father through the Son empowered by the Spirit.
You are claiming that sin has no consequences.