Would You Trust...

[seekingsolace]

...in your congregation a person who converted from Islam to Christianity.

Yes I would be happy to receive them into the congregation.

 

[Hammster]

There are other ways and those who cant be verified are uisually nort allowed entrance

So then what would you be vetting?

 

[visionary]

As with any stranger, they earn your trust.

 

[Brighten04]

As with any stranger, they earn your trust.

As someone whose heart has been broken many times, I have serious trust issues.

 

[psalms 91]

As someone whose heart has been broken many times, I have serious trust issues.

Iam so sorry that this has happened to you

 

[Brighten04]

Iam so sorry that this has happened to you

Thanks.

 

[tango]

There are other ways

Any chance you could elaborate on that?

and those who cant be verified are uisually nort allowed entrance

Through the normal process of immigration you'd be right. But if you're saying that people can't be accepted as refugees unless they've got all the documents that most likely got burned as they fled what was left of their village you might as well just say you don't take refugees at all.

Of course how to tell the person who literally fled with nothing from the person who planned their migration and destroyed their documentation somewhere along the way is the difficult bit.

 

[psalms 91]

Very true but chances are that some of those same refugees came from the same place and know the individual so it would be possible to check their answers

 

[Brighten04]

This testimony made me cry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-L1KIU7lao

 

[tango]

Very true but chances are that some of those same refugees came from the same place and know the individual so it would be possible to check their answers

So how do you know if you're dealing with three refugees from the same village, or three terrorists who corroborate each others' stories? Unless you know the sleepy village in the back end of nowhere you'd struggle to verify much of anything.

 

[psalms 91]

With a few million refugees I doubt that if they are questioned as to where they came from and so on, innocent questions it would not be hard to cross check.

 

[tango]

With a few million refugees I doubt that if they are questioned as to where they came from and so on, innocent questions it would not be hard to cross check.

... and how are you going to do that with a few million people to process? How do you know whether an apparent contradiction means you caught someone in a lie, or they are so terrified that they misremembered something? How would you cope under cross-examination if you had fled your home with literally nothing more than the clothes you were wearing and whatever happened to be in your pockets, travelled half way around the world by any means necessary, still didn't know if your brothers and sisters were even alive, and now find yourself in a refugee camp in a strange land where you don't even speak the language fluently?

 

[psalms 91]

A LOT OF WHAT IFS THERE, WHAT IF THEY ARE ALL PROCESSED AS i AM BEING TOLD THEY ARE AND LETS SAY THEY HAVE TO WAIT MONTHS WHICH AGAIN IS MY UNDERSTANDING, i BELIEVE WE NOW HAVE A BASIS FOR CROSSCHECKING, SORRY about the caps it was on and I just noticed

 

[tango]

A LOT OF WHAT IFS THERE, WHAT IF THEY ARE ALL PROCESSED AS i AM BEING TOLD THEY ARE AND LETS SAY THEY HAVE TO WAIT MONTHS WHICH AGAIN IS MY UNDERSTANDING, i BELIEVE WE NOW HAVE A BASIS FOR CROSSCHECKING, SORRY about the caps it was on and I just noticed

I know there are a lot of "what if"s there. When dealing with groups of people who aren't necessarily all the same and who each have their own story to tell, when some may be deserving of asylum while others may be trying their luck and others still may be seeking to do harm, when there are limited resources to verify anything, how exactly do you propose to cross check everything? It's easy to say "it should be easy to verify their story" but unless you can flesh it out a bit you're just assuming Someone Else has access to all the facts.

 

[psalms 91]

I know there are a lot of "what if"s there. When dealing with groups of people who aren't necessarily all the same and who each have their own story to tell, when some may be deserving of asylum while others may be trying their luck and others still may be seeking to do harm, when there are limited resources to verify anything, how exactly do you propose to cross check everything? It's easy to say "it should be easy to verify their story" but unless you can flesh it out a bit you're just assuming Someone Else has access to all the facts.

Since neither you nor I have that access then all we can do is trust that our gocernment and God is watching over us to not allow harm to come to us

 

[tango]

Since neither you nor I have that access then all we can do is trust that our gocernment and God is watching over us to not allow harm to come to us

Perhaps, in which case it makes no sense at all to relentlessly claim that "it would not be hard to cross check", to use your exact choice of words.

I wouldn't trust a government as far as I could throw it, whatever political persuasion it claims to hold. I figure the government's primary aim is to stay in power regardless of what is right for the people. As for whether God would allow harm to come to us, why do we think we're special enough to be spared from harm when so many nations around the world are not, and even Israel wasn't spared? I wouldn't blindly assume that God will protect us from any form of harm - maybe the way God will teach us an important lesson is to let us come to some form of mortal harm such that we repent and our eternal soul is preserved.

 

[psalms 91]

I agree with you that government is not to be trusted

 

[Brighten04]

In lght of recent developments in Europe, especially France, I thought I would revisit this thread. Since some states governors in the U.S are denying refugees entrance into their states, what if some are confessing Christians? Should they be allowed to enter?

 

[Krissy Cakes]

Well I have a hard time trusting people so probably no unless they gave me a REAL good reason to trust them.

 

[visionary]

Watch and see... befriend them .. get to know what they think.