Would You Trust...

[Brighten04]

i would rejoice ... of course if they did you wont find them bowing to the east at sunset lol,

LOL, I would hope not!

 

[MoreCoffee]

...in your congregation a person who converted from Islam to Christianity.

Just as much as I would any other atheist.

Conversion from Islam to Christianity turns a Muslim into an atheist?

 

[Alithis]

Conversion from Islam to Christianity turns a Muslim into an atheist?

he did not say that ... thats a rather loose twisting ..

i actually thought he was a bit tongue in cheek ... implying that Muslims are atheists because they do not believe in the one true living God .. they believe in something else but not the one true living god - hence ..no God at all because there is only one true living God ..

 

[tango]

Providing they are throughly vetted perhaps.

How do you go about vetting someone who has fled with nothing more than the clothes on their back and may not even be able to prove who they are?

 

[visionary]

Their testimony is a start in finding out how deep is this new found faith in Yeshua. Many have converted because a God of love is better than a god of hate and force.

 

[MoreCoffee]

...in your congregation a person who converted from Islam to Christianity.

Just as much as I would any other atheist.

Conversion from Islam to Christianity turns a Muslim into an atheist?

he did not say that ... thats a rather loose twisting ..

i actually thought he was a bit tongue in cheek ... implying that Muslims are atheists because they do not believe in the one true living God .. they believe in something else but not the one true living god - hence ..no God at all because there is only one true living God ..

I quoted his post exactly as it is written. The original post asks about a person who converts from Islam to Christianity and the reply says "Just as much as I would any other atheist.". It is possible that the reply really means "Just as much as I would any other atheist [who converted]." but it is not what it says, so I shall wait to see if the reply will be clarified by the chap who wrote it and if it was intended to mean "Just as much as I would any other atheist [who converted]." or something else.

 

[Alithis]

Their testimony is a start in finding out how deep is this new found faith in Yeshua. Many have converted because a God of love is better than a god of hate and force.

yes . professing to be "Christian" and having no testimony as to how or why or when or without any willingness to testify as a believer to the truth of the Lord Jesus "first hand" in your life - is usually a pretty BIG sign one is not actually a believer . 2nd and 3rd hand testimony doesn't cut it .

 

[MoreCoffee]

yes . professing to be "Christian" and having no testimony as to how or why or when or without any willingness to testify as a believer to the truth of the Lord Jesus "first hand" in your life - is usually a pretty BIG sign one is not actually a believer . 2nd and 3rd hand testimony doesn't cut it .

Isn't your stated perspective rather "revivalist"? Surely many Christians all through history have received Christ without any instant-conversion-moment testimony. And many Christians live godly without making their faith into an occasion for street preaching enthusiasm.

 

[Hammster]

Conversion from Islam to Christianity turns a Muslim into an atheist?

Muslims are atheists.

 

[Hammster]

he did not say that ... thats a rather loose twisting ..

i actually thought he was a bit tongue in cheek ... implying that Muslims are atheists because they do not believe in the one true living God .. they believe in something else but not the one true living god - hence ..no God at all because there is only one true living God ..

Thanks for understanding normal language. Some folks just feel the need to strain at gnats.

 

[Alithis]

Isn't your stated perspective rather "revivalist"? Surely many Christians all through history have received Christ without any instant-conversion-moment testimony. And many Christians live godly without making their faith into an occasion for street preaching enthusiasm.

Unwillingness to share of ones faith is disobedience and disobedience is a sure sign one is not following the lord Jesus.

 

[Brighten04]

How do you go about vetting someone who has fled with nothing more than the clothes on their back and may not even be able to prove who they are?

Yeah, that is a question I have.

 

[psalms 91]

By finding out where they worked, who they knew, checking and rechecking. If they are from a city they will be known by other efugees as well. I do know that the government does vet people coming in legally and during Nam we brought many here to the US and they were vetted as well.

 

[Brighten04]

By finding out where they worked, who they knew, checking and rechecking. If they are from a city they will be known by other efugees as well. I do know that the government does vet people coming in legally and during Nam we brought many here to the US and they were vetted as well.

In other words be suspicious of them until they get checked out?

 

[psalms 91]

considering the high probability that ISIS people will try to sneak in and do us harm, yes

 

[Brighten04]

considering the high probability that ISIS people will try to sneak in and do us harm, yes

Really? I wonder how other members think of this.

 

[visionary]

Better safe than sorry. Even Yeshua was careful and avoided certain times, places, and crowds that were not conducive to His Walk.

 

[tango]

By finding out where they worked, who they knew, checking and rechecking. If they are from a city they will be known by other efugees as well. I do know that the government does vet people coming in legally and during Nam we brought many here to the US and they were vetted as well.

And how do you verify the information they give you? It's all very well thinking in terms of western urban life but how would you know whether Bill the blacksmith who claimed to know Bob the builder and Brian the baker from the same little village in the back end of nowhere really did know any of those people, whether he was actually a blacksmith at all, and whether he even lived in the village?

Seriously, picture what state you'd be in if you literally fled your home with nothing more than the clothes you happened to have on at the time and whatever you could grab and carry on your way out. Now imagine what state you're in as you beg, borrow and bimble your way half way around the world to a country you believe is safe. They don't speak your language, they don't know your culture and they know nothing of the area you live. You're trying to prove who you are. How would you go about doing it?

 

[tango]

By finding out where they worked, who they knew, checking and rechecking. If they are from a city they will be known by other efugees as well. I do know that the government does vet people coming in legally and during Nam we brought many here to the US and they were vetted as well.

Vetting of people coming in legally is a totally different situation. If someone makes a specific decision to apply for a visa before moving to a country they have plenty of chance to prove who they are with documentation, the documentation can be checked and specific requirements can be laid out. Asking for documentation from someone who fled their home via the back door as the local warlord's henchmen kicked down the front door is unlikely to be fruitful - it's probably safe to say they didn't have chance to gather up their birth certificate, marriage certificate, education certificates, professional qualifications, police records and the like.

 

[psalms 91]

Vetting of people coming in legally is a totally different situation. If someone makes a specific decision to apply for a visa before moving to a country they have plenty of chance to prove who they are with documentation, the documentation can be checked and specific requirements can be laid out. Asking for documentation from someone who fled their home via the back door as the local warlord's henchmen kicked down the front door is unlikely to be fruitful - it's probably safe to say they didn't have chance to gather up their birth certificate, marriage certificate, education certificates, professional qualifications, police records and the like.

There are other ways and those who cant be verified are uisually nort allowed entrance