Was the blood moon experience a disappointment?

[Hammster]

The scriptural support is there, but you want more, and more only comes with Holy Spirit conviction. You will have to ask Him. Besides the blood moons have more to do with Israel than you.

What scriptural support? I'm not saying it's not there. It's just that it hasn't been presented.

 

[Hammster]

Very true but coming on a christian board you also assume some level of scriptural understanding from all who show a christian icon but it seems that this is either lacking here or else demanding certain scripture is just a deflection tactic. I really dont think posters are ignorant of scripture so what else is at play then

It's you who make claims without support that are deflecting. Trying to be insulting by implying that tango, MC, and I (and others) aren't spiritual enough is an insult. If this scripture is so prevalent, it should be easy to produce.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Just add him to your collection. I never fell for his junk.

I am fairly certain his books never got an imprimatur

 

[psalms 91]

It's you who make claims without support that are deflecting. Trying to be insulting by implying that tango, MC, and I (and others) aren't spiritual enough is an insult. If this scripture is so prevalent, it should be easy to produce.

I didnt insukt anyone as noone is singled out but you will have to admit that scripture that is not obscure seems to be repeadedly called for. If you want to have discussion I will do that but I will not spend hours looking up scripture that you all so obviously know and cast aside anyway. I have better things to do.

 

[tango]

Very true but coming on a christian board you also assume some level of scriptural understanding from all who show a christian icon but it seems that this is either lacking here or else demanding certain scripture is just a deflection tactic. I really dont think posters are ignorant of scripture so what else is at play then

How is it possibly a deflection tactic to ask for Scriptural justification for something? If anything it's a deflection tactic to come up with one excuse after another after another to avoid providing any justification.

It's easy to come up with vague lines like "the Spirit has convicted me that..." or "the Spirit has shown me that..." but to expect anyone else to believe the line means they have to test it, and unless you give them something they can actually test you shouldn't be surprised if people don't just take your word for it. Honestly, anyone who expects people to just take their word for it without doing any Scriptural testing didn't ought to be teaching at all. Even Paul praised the Bereans for studying the Scriptures to test the message he brought, and if Paul isn't above being tested I don't see how any of us can hope to be.

ETA: Since you've mentioned more than once that you don't always have Scripture references to hand I pointed you towards resources like e-sword (and I'll do it again now). You can search for words and find the references. I do that a lot, when I remember the Bible says something but can't remember the reference or the context. If you've got someone standing in front of you drumming their fingers while you leaf through a physical Bible trying to figure out if you wanted Hesitations 4:18 or Obfuscations 18:4 it's a different situation but on an internet forum it's not like you don't have time to look up the right reference. You can even read the context to make sure you won't get called out for quoting Scripture out of context.

 

[tango]

Another point on the whole issue of asking for Scripture. If my understanding of Scripture is such that your position is untenable it's frankly rather lame to insist that I know the Scriptures but just feel like being obtuse. I'm more interested in finding the truth than just being right all the time, and if I'm wrong I'd rather be corrected than carry on being wrong. If I'm wrong and you're right and I end up convincing you then I do neither of us any good. Asking for Scriptures isn't just being obtuse, it's trying to figure out if there's any substance to a position I can't reconcile with Scripture. If there is Scriptural substance to it then I may need to consider how to resolve an apparent contradiction; if there isn't Scriptural substance to it then I can safely continue to disregard it.

I find it rather surprising that this topic keeps coming up and the same excuses for not providing Scripture keep resurfacing. Don't you find it odd that you struggle to provide Scriptural support for the stances you're taking? Doesn't "well I believe it" need a little more substance to carry an argument? If all you've got is "it's in there somewhere and I know you know that" why not dig it out and present it, even if only to help clarify in your own mind why you believe what you do?

 

[visionary]

God only shines light at the path in front of their feet. Not all light is for everyone. We have to walk the narrow path, with God leading. So when some matters are presented before the believer, the believer who is ready to receive it will. God will be the teacher, and leader in this walk. Arguments among the believers over what to believe will only frustrate those too far behind to know how one could get there when they are having trouble at the level they are at. Those who study for themselves with prayer, allow God to lead them, and they will grow faster, than those who have chosen to ride in the religious organization boat. That is just spiritual bundling.

 

[Hammster]

God only shines light at the path in front of their feet. Not all light is for everyone. We have to walk the narrow path, with God leading. So when some matters are presented before the believer, the believer who is ready to receive it will. God will be the teacher, and leader in this walk. Arguments among the believers over what to believe will only frustrate those too far behind to know how one could get there when they are having trouble at the level they are at. Those who study for themselves with prayer, allow God to lead them, and they will grow faster, than those who have chosen to ride in the religious organization boat. That is just spiritual bundling.

God shines light through scripture. Even if some of us can't see what you see, you cannot assume that's the case for everyone. So it's still your burden to provide the evidence from scripture that supports your view.

 

[Rens]

I remember I posted a joke the next day and everyone was like: what kind of nonsense is this? And then I read on Facebook: breaking news. Israel warns Russia and everyone. Flag of Palestine was raised.

I don't know but if it means something I think it means worldwide revival.

Joel‘s prophecy which was quoted by Peter in Acts 2 says “And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Joel 2:30-32a).

 

[MoreCoffee]

I remember I posted a joke the next day and everyone was like: what kind of nonsense is this? And then I read on Facebook: breaking news. Israel warns Russia and everyone. Flag of Palestine was raised.

I don't know but if it means something I think it means worldwide revival.

Joel‘s prophecy which was quoted by Peter in Acts 2 says “And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Joel 2:30-32a).

I reckon saint Peter quoted Joel because the day of Pentecost was the fulfilment and that's why saint Peter said "For these aren’t drunken, as you suppose, seeing it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: ‘It will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions. Your old men will dream dreams. Yes, and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days, I will pour out my Spirit, and they will prophesy. I will show wonders in the sky above, and signs on the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes. It will be that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’" (Acts 2:15-21 WEB) It's what happened when the Holy Spirit came upon the Church fifty days after the resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[tango]

God only shines light at the path in front of their feet. Not all light is for everyone. We have to walk the narrow path, with God leading. So when some matters are presented before the believer, the believer who is ready to receive it will. God will be the teacher, and leader in this walk. Arguments among the believers over what to believe will only frustrate those too far behind to know how one could get there when they are having trouble at the level they are at. Those who study for themselves with prayer, allow God to lead them, and they will grow faster, than those who have chosen to ride in the religious organization boat. That is just spiritual bundling.

This is true but still only works up to a point.

If God is guiding an individual then it's fair to say that God will show the way in a manner that is clear to the individual even if it does seem odd to those around them. It probably didn't make much sense to anyone when Noah started building a honking great boat.

That doesn't mean that whatever crazy idea someone has is from God. Sometimes crazy ideas are just crazy ideas. It doesn't work to say that something is crazy but it's OK because it's from God unless you can demonstrate that it is actually from God, or it's sufficiently personal that it doesn't matter what others think. As soon as a teaching is presented as applying to someone else then that someone else should be testing the teaching against Scripture.

There's a huge difference between discussions over where God is leading me as an individual (where frankly nobody online is likely to have any idea, unless they can point out that my "calling" is unlikely to be from God because of a specific passage in Scripture), and discussions over where God works in certain ways in general.

 

[psalms 91]

I am sure Noah grew tired of the people as they did not believe him either but wheter or not they believed the floodstill came.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am sure Noah grew tired of the people as they did not believe him either but wheter or not they believed the floodstill came.

Noah's message fulfilled is a sign of a true prophet; the message that is from God will be fulfilled without fail and a message that fails is not from God. Moses gave a test for the words of a prophet and for the prophet who spoke them saying "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, “Let’s go after other gods” (which you have not known) “and let’s serve them;” you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of dreams; for Yahweh your God is testing you, to know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after Yahweh your God, fear him, keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and you shall serve him, and cling to him. That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall remove the evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 WEB)

 

[Rens]

I reckon saint Peter quoted Joel because the day of Pentecost was the fulfilment and that's why saint Peter said "For these aren’t drunken, as you suppose, seeing it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: ‘It will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions. Your old men will dream dreams. Yes, and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days, I will pour out my Spirit, and they will prophesy. I will show wonders in the sky above, and signs on the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes. It will be that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’" (Acts 2:15-21 WEB) It's what happened when the Holy Spirit came upon the Church fifty days after the resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Yes I copied this from a man who thought that too, but since I believe that was the former rain and He is not slack with His promise to come back but waits for the latter rain and he connects Pentecost to it, I thought it could indicate the latter rain. There are a lot of muslims being saved now.

 

[Rens]

Genesis 1

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons

 

[tango]

I am sure Noah grew tired of the people as they did not believe him either but wheter or not they believed the floodstill came.

Sure, and had he gotten it wrong he could have built that boat with as much faith as it was possible to have and he would still have been wasting his time. Hence we test to make sure what we are hearing is unlikely to be coming from sources other than God.

 

[Brighten04]

Sure, and had he gotten it wrong he could have built that boat with as much faith as it was possible to have and he would still have been wasting his time. Hence we test to make sure what we are hearing is unlikely to be coming from sources other than God.

Noah had confidence that what Our Father spoke was the truth. He had confidence that his perseverance would pay off and he would not be disappointed. But I can imagine that it was hard for him to continue under so much ridicule.

 

[tango]

Noah had confidence that what Our Father spoke was the truth. He had confidence that his perseverance would pay off and he would not be disappointed. But I can imagine that it was hard for him to continue under so much ridicule.

Of course he had confidence, but had that confidence been misplaced he'd have looked like a collosal numpty, building a honking great boat that couldn't be used. The confidence in and of itself would have been worthless had he got it wrong.

 

[Hammster]

I am sure Noah grew tired of the people as they did not believe him either but wheter or not they believed the floodstill came.

Are you claiming that God spoke to you in the same way he spoke Noah?

 

[psalms 91]

Are you claim8ihng that God changed and doesnt speak to anyone in that way?