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[Lamb]

You see, you don't equal salvation with eternal life (you said so yourself) so you don't believe that Jesus is the answer for your eternal life. You believe in yourself to get you there, you and your works. You say on one hand that you believe in Jesus and then put it behind your back and bring out your other hand to say but THIS is how it is.

 

[Michael]

You see, you don't equal salvation with eternal life (you said so yourself) so you don't believe that Jesus is the answer for your eternal life. You believe in yourself to get you there, you and your works. You say on one hand that you believe in Jesus and then put it behind your back and bring out your other hand to say but THIS is how it is.

That may be YOUR understanding of what I believe and teach, but it's not exactly True. Of course Jesus is the answer for Eternal Life. In fact He IS the Life! And God forbid I ever put His Son "behind my back." No, friend, my eyes are fixed on Him, and Him alone. That is why I must reject the traditions of man that negate the bulk of what Jesus taught.

One thing I've mentioned quite frequently is that what I share for the most part is directed at those who will inherit the promises of Rev 2 & 3. Not a soul here has addressed me on the level of which I am bringing up these passages.
The rebuttals against me, are akin to a child my sons age who is just learning addition and subtraction, arguing with me on the psychometrics in HVAC which I mastered in school, and telling me I'm wrong.

Honestly, I believe you are very correct in what you believe concerning being "saved." Again what I am looking at is far beyond that vital and necessary first step of our Journey.

The modern traditions of what happens in Eternity has only brought much confusion to the churches; as what Jesus, the Apostles and the bulk of Scripture declare concerning the Eternal Kingdom of God has been largely lost to the masses today. But God is moving us past Pentecost into the final Three Feasts. And the Trumpet is sounding in our day.

Can we hear it?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Who are you referring to when you said this:

"Oh...the forgiveness of sins done in ignorance is not the same as pretending one is holy while in knowing sin."

God is the one who forgives sins. So you explain your statement.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular.

Pretty much anyone going about in willful sin while claiming to be have been made holy.

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[popsthebuilder]

Who are you referring to when you said this:

"Oh...the forgiveness of sins done in ignorance is not the same as pretending one is holy while in knowing sin."

God is the one who forgives sins. So you explain your statement.

Who else would forgive sins but the merciful judge?

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[popsthebuilder]

I don't have animosity toward you.

I don't care for your works righteousness theology that rejects the Christ and His forgiveness of sins for you to have eternal life with God. You proudly come here and keep trying to steer the sheep away from Jesus and to look inward which is a danger to their souls.

Did you say it like a a danger to the soul the look inwardly at self!?

It is a danger not to.

This man is in no way denying the Christ or His blood, or His resurrection. He most certainly isn't saying his works apart from Christ are worth any value in the kingdom of GOD. In fact he seems to continually be expounding on exactly what is given freely and how that the lazy hypocritical servant will have even that which they received taken from them if they do not put it to use (work)

To deny that faith is effectual is to deny the Truth.

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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular.

Pretty much anyone going about in willful sin while claiming to be have been made holy.

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What did you mean forgiveness of sins done in ignorance? Even when I was an Evangelical, the pastor never forgive sins ignorance. But the Evangelical church didn't have corporate confession and absolution.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Who else would forgive sins but the merciful judge?

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That's what was confusing to me. I probably just read it wrong.

 

[popsthebuilder]

You see, you don't equal salvation with eternal life (you said so yourself) so you don't believe that Jesus is the answer for your eternal life. You believe in yourself to get you there, you and your works. You say on one hand that you believe in Jesus and then put it behind your back and bring out your other hand to say but THIS is how it is.

And what of those who say they believe but who's works do not reflect said belief?

If one believes something; then they carry out their life according to that belief. Faith is effectual.

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[popsthebuilder]

What did you mean forgiveness of sins done in ignorance? Even when I was an Evangelical, the pastor never forgive sins ignorance. But the Evangelical church didn't have corporate confession and absolution.

I was referring to the atonement; or rather that knowing continual sin is not covered by it seemingly.

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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Did you say it like a a danger to the soul the look inwardly at self!?

It is a danger not to.

This man is in no way denying the Christ or His blood, or His resurrection. He most certainly isn't saying his works apart from Christ are worth any value in the kingdom of GOD. In fact he seems to continually be expounding on exactly what is given freely and how that the lazy hypocritical servant will have even that which they received taken from them if they do not put it to use (work)

To deny that faith is effectual is to deny the Truth.

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When you read what he has written, thread after thread, he does in fact say that he must overcome and do many works to inherit eternal life. Lambie is not wrong. He also believes that he can't be wrong and anyone who says he is wrong and shows him from Scripture how he is wrong, is just a child who is not on his level, he even used such language in a recent response to her. Talking with someone with that mindset is a waste of time, because the conversation can't go anywhere.

 

[popsthebuilder]

That's what was confusing to me. I probably just read it wrong.

I type and even think sorta strange....my fault for not being clearer.

peace

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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

And what of those who say they believe but who's works do not reflect said belief?

If one believes something; then they carry out their life according to that belief. Faith is effectual.

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Who can judge such a person when all we really get are brief glimpses into a person's life and we will not always see them at their best or what we think their best should be. Perhaps we need to leave these people to God to judge.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I type and even think sorta strange....my fault for not being clearer.

peace

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No worries. Peace.

 

[popsthebuilder]

When you read what he has written, thread after thread, he does in fact say that he must overcome and do many works to inherit eternal life. Lambie is not wrong. He also believes that he can't be wrong and anyone who says he is wrong and shows him from Scripture how he is wrong, is just a child who is not on his level, he even used such language in a recent response to her. Talking with someone with that mindset is a waste of time, because the conversation can't go anywhere.

The negative tone seems to be both ways. People's patience get tried. It happens.

Best to not take offence....though we know many will be offended...

He is speaking against disregarding the free gift

Works of iniquity are works of sin; not abiding by the Law of the SPIRIT.

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[popsthebuilder]

Who can judge such a person when all we really get are brief glimpses into a person's life and we will not always see them at their best or what we think their best should be. Perhaps we need to leave these people to God to judge.

Uhm....we are to judge self; look inward, examine doctrine; remove log, even eye if it keeps us from entering in. If you think you have already entered in then why run the race at all?

I couldn't help but notice you mention not judging sin as sin, all while judging a man as antichrist.....for telling people to strive not to sin; a scriptural concept.

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[Michael]

And what of those who say they believe but who's works do not reflect said belief?

If one believes something; then they carry out their life according to that belief. Faith is effectual.

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Indeed, our "faith" is only proven by what we do. An abstract faith is not faith at all.

"I will show you my faith by my works." - James 2:18

“Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” - 2Tim 2:19

"work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" - Phil 2:12

"I know your works..." - Jesus to every church in Rev 2 & 3


“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes..." - Jesus to every church in Rev 2 & 3




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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Uhm....we are to judge self; look inward, examine doctrine; remove log, even eye if it keeps us from entering in. If you think you have already entered in then why run the race at all?

I couldn't help but notice you mention not judging sin as sin, all while judging a man as antichrist.....for telling people to strive not to sin; a scriptural concept.

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We run the race because that is a fruit of salvation, not a cause of it. Michael teaches to enter into heaven we need to do works. Yet he can never say which works or how many we need to do to win eternal life.

Please show me where I said anyone was an anti-Christ. I know I've said it about the Pope, but Michael is hardly the Pope. Michael goes beyond teaching people to strive not to sin, he's shooting for sinless perfection. Read his threads long enough and you'll see it too.

 

[Michael]

We run the race because that is a fruit of salvation, not a cause of it. Michael teaches to enter into heaven we need to do works. Yet he can never say which works or how many we need to do to win eternal life.

Please show me where I said anyone was an anti-Christ. I know I've said it about the Pope, but Michael is hardly the Pope. Michael goes beyond teaching people to strive not to sin, he's shooting for sinless perfection. Read his threads long enough and you'll see it too.

Hmmm... I'm beginning to find it absolutely fascinating that I'm endlessly accused of all these things I never said or even imply!

Again, can one give a scathing review of a movie they have never seen, or refute the teachings of book they never read? Such a film critic, or one writing a book review, would quickly find themselves unemployed!

First I do not even teach that heaven is our home; or that we can be, or are expected to be, "sinlessly perfect" in this life. Such concepts themselves are distractions that only serve to keep God's people from repenting and walking the Way of the Cross.

God has given me a Word to warn His Elect, and as a watchman on the wall I so do. reach:


EVERYTHING I've shared here is backed by the bulk of Scripture. Read what I've posted long enough, or at all, and watch even one or two of the video teachings (stuff I teach in churches) and as well, spend some time in the Bible, and you'll find that what I present is what Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles taught. :bible::amen:


God's Wisdom and Understanding to all.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Hmmm... I'm beginning to find it absolutely fascinating that I'm endlessly accused of all these things I never said or even imply!

Again, can one give a scathing review of a movie they have never seen, or refute the teachings of book they never read? Such a film critic, or one writing a book review, would quickly find themselves unemployed!

First I do not even teach that heaven is our home; or that we can be, or are expected to be, "sinlessly perfect" in this life. Such concepts themselves are distractions that only serve to keep God's people from repenting and walking the Way of the Cross.

God has given me a Word to warn His Elect, and as a watchman on the wall I so do. reach:


EVERYTHING I've shared here is backed by the bulk of Scripture. Read what I've posted long enough, or at all, and watch even one or two of the video teachings (stuff I teach in churches) and as well, spend some time in the Bible, and you'll find that what I present is what Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles taught. :bible::amen:


God's Wisdom and Understanding to all.

I have seen your some of your videos and read your posts. I am not giving a scathing review of material I am not familiar with. Wanna try and tell another lie about me? People besides myself have shown you how you err in your understanding of Scripture. It's in your threads for everyone to see, if they have the desire or time to read through them. You have this idea that it's not possible for you to be wrong. If I went through life convinced I can't be wrong, I'd still be part of the Evangelical Free church.

You constantly ask to be shown from Scripture how what you teach is wrong and when shown from Scripture how you're wrong you say those people have the understanding of children and do not operate on the same level as you. So talking with you has become pointless. I, for one, am no longer going to be engaging you in an endless back-and-forth exchange, as I've done before. You believe you can't be wrong. You can not be taught anything new. You're unwilling to learn, but expect everyone else to learn from you. It's a one-sided endeavor that will go nowhere.

 

[Lamb]

One thing I've mentioned quite frequently is that what I share for the most part is directed at those who will inherit the promises of Rev 2 & 3. Not a soul here has addressed me on the level of which I am bringing up these passages. ?

OH but we HAVE. Anyone who inherits something because of someone's death doesn't have to earn it. So right there your works righteousness theology fails the test.