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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I'm hoping that if asked then he would not say we do for eternal reward; though that is the same reason the general Christian professes a name anyway.

Do you really think he desires to expound on the things of GOD outwardly for his own reward? And an earthly reward such as power over men, or high placement among the "church"....these things are bad. But you will be hard pressed to find scripture telling us not to look forward to recompense for our doings here in this life. We are told that run the race.

To claim works aren't pertinent to "salvation" is to inadvertently proclaim that all sorts of sin and atrocity is looked over by GOD who is just. Such is not logical.

Some seem to want the act as he is preaching righteousness apart from Christ. I'm certain he will again attest to the fact that none is righteous in any part apart from, or separate to the Christ and Word and Spirit of GOD working in their heart and filling the thoughts of their mind.

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Have you read his other threads, like The GOAL? He has made many posts that flat out say he does good works to be rewarded. All the rewards I've seen him speak of, come after death, eternal life, for instance. So no, I don't believe he wants to wield power over men or nations or riches or things of this world. He sees salvation as a starting point. He says there is a journey we as believers are to take and there are things we must do to overcome.

But he never says what these works are, how many we must do or how we know when we have done all God has given us to do. He does say that what he teaches is not taught in the modern church and we are not to do what men in modern churches teach, just what he teaches in his videos, because he alone has been given the real truth by God. He doesn't believe in the Holy Trinity and he can't affirm the Nicene creed. All of these things are huge red flags to me and I do not consider him a reliable or trustworthy teacher of the Christian faith.

You say works are pertinent to faith. What do you mean by that? Scripture clearly teaches that we are not saved by our works, and contribute nothing to our salvation. Salvation is God's work alone and His gift to us.

 

[Michael]

God has promised that I will inherit eternal life by believing in His Son.

God does not lie.

Titus 1:2 This truth gives them confidence that they have eternal life, which God—who does not lie—promised them before the world began.

Titus 3:7 having been justified by His grace, we would become heirs with the hope of eternal life.


John 3:16 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life…

2 Timothy 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Matthew 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Amen and Amen! Thank You Lord!

For truly those who "overcome" and "walk worthy" can indeed have confidence to receive the "crown of Life" that God has promised to the one who "endures temptation and been approved" (James 1:12); been "faithful unto death" (Rev 2:10); and "become a slave of God" (Rom 6:22)

We must be careful to include ALL the Scripture into our doctrine or belief. For one of the reasons we have so many denominations today is that each one will focus on certain verses while neglecting or dismissing other passages which are just as vital and necessary as the ones they like. So far, all the verses that have been used in attempt to counter me, I can use to support what I firmly believe and teach. While the ones I present are ignored or passed off onto the Jews or the heathen, when it reality they were written to and apply directly to the "believer."

And, regarding the Parable in Matthew 25, those the King is speaking to were welcomed into the Kingdom based solely on what they did. For from Jesus' teaching we find that they did not know Him in this life, but rather did good to those who are standing with Christ at that point: the Elect who had already been perfected. The teaching of the Sheep & Goats is the Second Resurrection.
Got a video teaching on this as well, in the thread I shared on the Parables of Jesus - https://www.christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?7452-Parables-of-Jesus&highlight=parables

Believe me, all the understanding I have has only come from the Lord, it is not my own understanding. And I am NOT saying that the Lord has not spoken to you or any other on this site. I do believe that most on this site love Jesus. I only aim to please the Lord and exhort the saints as the Word declares -

"encourage each other, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
26 For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the Truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire about to consume the adversaries." (Heb 10:25-27)

I love the letter to the Hebrews. Much of my understanding has come from this writing; and along with Romans 8, John 6, John 17, Isaiah 1 & 4, the Book of Daniel, 1Cor 10, and Revelation 2 & 3 in particular the Lord has unveiled much to me concerning the Father's great plan and purpose in Christ and for all Creation.

So, as the Spirit of Jesus leads, I strive to follow. And as He commissions, I speak.

"For you need endurance, so that after you have done God’s will, you may receive what was promised.
37 For yet in a very little while,
the Coming One will come and not delay.
38 But My righteous one will live by faith;
and if he draws back,
I have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not those who draw back and are destroyed, but those who have faith and obtain life."
- Heb 10:36-39

May we be among those who endure, do God's will and not draw back from the road of repentance... that we may receive the promise of Life.

Peace & Blessings
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[Lamb]

The Lord speaks loud and clear on this. But doesn't the Gospel have more power than the Law? Proper distinction is necessary or you miss out on what God does for you so you may have eternal life. If you cling to the Law then you'll be judged by the Law.

 

[Michael]

The Lord speaks loud and clear on this. But doesn't the Gospel have more power than the Law? Proper distinction is necessary or you miss out on what God does for you so you may have eternal life. If you cling to the Law then you'll be judged by the Law.

Amen. See we agree!!

I do not teach the Law of Moses. I teach the "Law of the Spirit of Life." And that includes the commandments of Jesus and the Apostles.

The ordinances and regulations of the Law of Moses were nailed to the Cross. That is clear.

But the Eternal command of God to be obedient is just that... Eternal. Even Jesus must abide by that Law - "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love." - John 15:10

We are wise to discern between that temporal Law of Moses, and the Eternal Moral Law of God which shall abide forever.

And of a Truth, the Elect are, as Jesus is, becoming that Law... but that is a study for another time, and sure to raise some more eyebrows!

 

[Lamb]

Amen. See we agree!!

I do not teach the Law of Moses. I teach the "Law of the Spirit of Life." And that includes the commandments of Jesus and the Apostles.

The ordinances and regulations of the Law of Moses were nailed to the Cross. That is clear.

But the Eternal command of God to be obedient is just that... Eternal. Even Jesus must abide by that Law - "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love." - John 15:10

We are wise to discern between that temporal Law of Moses, and the Eternal Moral Law of God which shall abide forever.

And of a Truth, the Elect are, as Jesus is, becoming that Law... but that is a study for another time, and sure to raise some more eyebrows!

The Law is Law. You have to obey it perfectly, without sin in order to fulfill it to gain eternal life and the ONLY one who is WORTHY enough to accomplish that is Jesus the Christ who died for the forgiveness of your sins. All of your sins. Not just some of your sins as you think scripture says...but does not say.

The Law is what you do and do not do. Have you been able to keep the Lord's Commandments as HE demands, without sin? I know that you have not. If you say you have no sin then you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The Law is Law. You have to obey it perfectly, without sin in order to fulfill it to gain eternal life and the ONLY one who is WORTHY enough to accomplish that is Jesus the Christ who died for the forgiveness of your sins. All of your sins. Not just some of your sins as you think scripture says...but does not say.

The Law is what you do and do not do. Have you been able to keep the Lord's Commandments as HE demands, without sin? I know that you have not. If you say you have no sin then you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you.

So you don't think we are to abide by the Law of the SPIRIT written on the hearts and minds of believer?

Do you the no Christ is unable to empower those who are His for HIS will?

Jesus said anything was possible for the believer, and that they would do even greater things.

If we are as siblings with Christ can we not follow Him and abide by the Law of the SPIRIT?

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[Lamb]

So you don't think we are to abide by the Law of the SPIRIT written on the hearts and minds of believer?

Do you the no Christ is unable to empower those who are His for HIS will?

Jesus said anything was possible for the believer, and that they would do even greater things.

If we are as siblings with Christ can we not follow Him and abide by the Law of the SPIRIT?

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We want to obey the law because it is Holy and good. But only Jesus could fulfill the law as God demands with perfection. ONLY Jesus. When we are baptized we are clothed in Jesus. Galatians 3:27. It is because of our Savior alone that we will have eternal life, none of our efforts can get us there.

 

[popsthebuilder]

We want to obey the law because it is Holy and good. But only Jesus could fulfill the law as God demands with perfection. ONLY Jesus. When we are baptized we are clothed in Jesus. Galatians 3:27. It is because of our Savior alone that we will have eternal life, none of our efforts can get us there.

I don't think any are actually contending otherwise.

Works pleasing to GOD could be seen as an indicator of faith. It doesn't take the place of faith by any means, nor are good works even possible apart from the indwelling Spirit that is Christ.

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[Michael]

We want to obey the law because it is Holy and good. But only Jesus could fulfill the law as God demands with perfection. ONLY Jesus. When we are baptized we are clothed in Jesus. Galatians 3:27. It is because of our Savior alone that we will have eternal life, none of our efforts can get us there.

Oh sister, you realize that the New Covenant is the writing of the Law in our hearts and minds right? The Eternal Moral Law of God will never be done away with.

And in the very last chapter of the Bible, we are told that obedience to God's commands are Eternal if we are to partake of His promises.

"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie."
- Rev 22:14-15 NKJV

And this passage is describing the New Earth AFTER both resurrections and God is now "dwelling with man" on the earth. Boy, if THAT doesn't shake most of our modern theology!!

God's Word is unchangeable. The great multitude of passages I have presented to show God's requirements for His Elect are Eternal and unalterable. And they are just that... for the Elect, not for all. This is far beyond being "saved." This is about "Tabernacles."

You don't need to fear, friend. God's plan is far greater than we have known.
Peace to your soul, and blessings upon your family.
Amen.

 

[Andrew]

Oh sister, you realize that the New Covenant is the writing of the Law in our hearts and minds right? The Eternal Moral Law of God will never be done away with.

And in the very last chapter of the Bible, we are told that obedience to God's commands are Eternal if we are to partake of His promises.

"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie."
- Rev 22:14-15 NKJV

And this passage is describing the New Earth AFTER both resurrections and God is now "dwelling with man" on the earth. Boy, if THAT doesn't shake most of our modern theology!!

God's Word is unchangeable. The great multitude of passages I have presented to show God's requirements for His Elect are Eternal and unalterable. And they are just that... for the Elect, not for all. This is far beyond being "saved." This is about "Tabernacles."

You don't need to fear, friend. God's plan is far greater than we have known.
Peace to your soul, and blessings upon your family.
Amen.

What does it mean that Jesus said his commandments (one in specific) was more important than other commandments? Shouldn't they all be equal?

 

[popsthebuilder]

What does it mean that Jesus said his commandments (one in specific) was more important than other commandments? Shouldn't they all be equal?

Galatians 5:13-15

peace

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[Andrew]

Galatians 5:13-15

peace

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A little further on we find again that through that commandment alone the whole of law of the prophets hang..

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Galatians 5:18

 

[popsthebuilder]

Law in that context is the law of sin within ones members. It is exclaiming that we are no longer bound to sin in nature due to the new birth and renewal of the soul by the Spirit.

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[Lamb]

Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law but fulfill it. He is the perfect Lamb of God who could obey the law as required.

All sin needs to be forgiven before we can stand before God. If you stand by your works and think you can go before God and be worthy then you will fail.

If you believe that by Jesus' death and resurrection your sins are forgiven then you will have eternal life because at Judgment Day when you stand before God, He sees you clothed in Jesus (Galatians 3:27) and by grace through faith your sins are forgiven. So at that Judgment you will be judged NOT GUILTY. And this only because of Christ's merits. Your faith is what is obedience to Him to have eternal life.

 

[Andrew]

Law in that context is the law of sin within ones members. It is exclaiming that we are no longer bound to sin in nature due to the new birth and renewal of the soul by the Spirit.

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In context I see, but I never heard of the law of sin, I hear of the lust of flesh but sin itself is technically lawlessness.

 

[Lamb]

In context I see, but I never heard of the law of sin, I hear of the lust of flesh but sin itself is technically lawlessness.

All sin breaks the law of God. All sin needs to be forgiven in order to stand before God on Judgment Day. I BELIEVE that Jesus did that when He died on the cross. Michael and some others deny that all their sins are forgiven and this thread is about them pushing people to believe that they need to do something that Jesus didn't do in order to gain eternity with God. Except they have forgotten that their works are tainted with SIN. And that sin will not get them anywhere without Jesus' forgiveness (the cross where "it is finished").

 

[popsthebuilder]

In context I see, but I never heard of the law of sin, I hear of the lust of flesh but sin itself is technically lawlessness.

On the contrary; one cannot sin apart from the law. Yet still there is another law at war within our members.

So there is a written ordinances,

A Law of the Spirit

And a law of sin; the works of iniquity





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[Andrew]

On the contrary; one cannot sin apart from the law. Yet still there is another law at war within our members.

So there is a written ordinances,

A Law of the Spirit

And a law of sin; the works of iniquity





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Written ordinances? Are you referring to the 10 Commandments/Statements?
You do know that these 10 are summed up in the Spirit of the 2 greatest commandments? That's part of the fruits of the Spirit, the law of the Spirit as you put it

 

[Lamb]

On the contrary; one cannot sin apart from the law. Yet still there is another law at war within our members.

So there is a written ordinances,

A Law of the Spirit

And a law of sin; the works of iniquity





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In your baptism you are clothed in Jesus AND you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit guides us into doing the works He has laid out for us according to His Will but because we are clothed in Jesus, we are seen as Not Guilty before God. Because of Jesus, the Law is fulfilled, not by your own merits, but because of Jesus' merits and death on the cross.

God commands us to love Him with all our heart. Have any of you done that? Every second of the day? I say that none of you can do it. If you say you have then you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you because your sinful body will struggle against the New Adam within you, tainting your ability to be perfect. That's why you all need Jesus.

 

[popsthebuilder]

No one is denying the need for Messiah in any way whatsoever.

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