The gods behind abortion

[Michael]

Looking at a hard, and very controversial subject here; from a Biblical, spiritual perspective.

God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael


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[kiwimac]

Looking at a hard, and very controversial subject here; from a Biblical, spiritual perspective.

God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael


https://youtu.be/VBPmvo5iSa0

The Bible never mentions abortion at all.

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[Michael]

The Bible never mentions abortion at all.

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Hmmm... are you familiar with much of the Scripture? The child sacrifice that went on at the time of Moses, then Jesus, and now as the "sons of God" are coming forth?

You may not agree, some don't or haven't been enlightened yet to see what the Scripture declares. That's why I put this teaching in the "Speculative Theology" department. But that doesn't change the fact that what we explore in the video is indeed Truth.

And for any who actually watch the video, I welcome any comments or questions. I'm always wiling to discuss with sincere disciples the things of God's Kingdom, and that which He has given me to teach.

Peace & Blessings to all who walk with Jesus.

 

[kiwimac]

Hmmm... are you familiar with much of the Scripture? The child sacrifice that went on at the time of Moses, then Jesus, and now as the "sons of God" are coming forth?

You may not agree, some don't or haven't been enlightened yet to see what the Scripture declares. That's why I put this teaching in the "Speculative Theology" department. But that doesn't change the fact that what we explore in the video is indeed Truth.

And for any who actually watch the video, I welcome any comments or questions. I'm always wiling to discuss with sincere disciples the things of God's Kingdom, and that which He has given me to teach.

Peace & Blessings to all who walk with Jesus.

I have qualifications in both Biblical Studies and Theology. There is no mention of abortion in the Bible. Certainly Moloch was not the God of the Aborted.

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[Michael]

I have qualifications in both Biblical Studies and Theology. There is no mention of abortion in the Bible. Certainly Moloch was not the God of the Aborted.

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Well sir, you are entitled to your opinion. And your stubbornness!

While we're at it... there is zero mention or even inference in the Scripture to many of the popular, yet mythical, doctrines that are preached and accepted today. I put little stock in much of what is taught in the modern Bible colleges.

Again, you are welcome to watch and listen to what God gave me to speak, and offer any criticism afterwards. But you'd have to watch it first to understand!

 

[Lamb]

Well sir, you are entitled to your opinion. And your stubbornness!

While we're at it... there is zero mention or even inference in the Scripture to many of the popular, yet mythical, doctrines that are preached and accepted today. I put little stock in much of what is taught in the modern Bible colleges.

Again, you are welcome to watch and listen to what God gave me to speak, and offer any criticism afterwards. But you'd have to watch it first to understand!

He was bringing up a point and yet you mock him? Instead of condescending remarks you could have just quoted from the bible where you believe abortion is brought up.

 

[Michael]

He was bringing up a point and yet you mock him? Instead of condescending remarks you could have just quoted from the bible where you believe abortion is brought up.

His blunt tone, without even watching a second of the video, was very condescending. And the video is full of the Scriptures i use to support my stance. If any are truly curious, they can watch. But I really would appreciate responses coming from those who actually watch and listen to what the Lord have me to share. It really is that simple. It's what mature adults do.

 

[Lamb]

His blunt tone, without even watching a second of the video, was very condescending. And the video is full of the Scriptures i use to support my stance. If any are truly curious, they can watch. But I really would appreciate responses coming from those who actually watch and listen to what the Lord have me to share. It really is that simple. It's what mature adults do.

You can stop flaming people who don't want to watch your videos right now.

 

[Michael]

You can stop flaming people who don't want to watch your videos right now.

Wow! Where did that come from!?

I stand by every word I said. Is it not reasonable to ask that if someone wants to rebuke me, that they actually know what I said?
C'mon, either we're all adults here walking the road of discipleship or we're not. I have no time for grade school behavior.

Truly, I feel what the Prophets & Apostles dealt with when they were dismissed and attacked for preaching Truth.

"He who has ears, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches."

 

[Lamb]

Wow! Where did that come from!?

I stand by every word I said. Is it not reasonable to ask that if someone wants to rebuke me, that they actually know what I said?
C'mon, either we're all adults here walking the road of discipleship or we're not. I have no time for grade school behavior.

Truly, I feel what the Prophets & Apostles dealt with when they were dismissed and attacked for preaching Truth.

"He who has ears, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches."

Please do not imply that members here are not mature if they do not watch your videos. THAT is where it's coming from to clarify!

Some of our members are constrained by time and by their jobs and simply cannot watch a video. Take that into consideration. It would be better if you actually brought forth what you wanted to discuss by words here in the thread instead of insisting someone watch your video.

 

[Michael]

Please do not imply that members here are not mature if they do not watch your videos. THAT is where it's coming from to clarify!

Some of our members are constrained by time and by their jobs and simply cannot watch a video. Take that into consideration. It would be better if you actually brought forth what you wanted to discuss by words here in the thread instead of insisting someone watch your video.

I never did and never will state such a thing. Someone made a comment without watching it. I don't care if he does or not. But why make a blunt statement without watching it and hearing the Scripture references?
Again, those who are mature WILL actually watch something and gain an understanding BEFORE posting a rebuke.
If you believe I am insisting that anyone do anything, I must tell you that you are greatly mistaken. I only ask that if someone wants to counter me, that they actually know what I said. THAT is fairly simple to understand.

 

[Lamb]

I never did and never will state such a thing. Someone made a comment without watching it. I don't care if he does or not. But why make a blunt statement without watching it and hearing the Scripture references?
Again, those who are mature WILL actually watch something and gain an understanding BEFORE posting a rebuke.
If you believe I am insisting that anyone do anything, I must tell you that you are greatly mistaken. I only ask that if someone wants to counter me, that they actually know what I said. THAT is fairly simple to understand.

Please stop arguing in this thread since I called you out and you refuse to see what you have done. One of our staff members will be contacting you soon and maybe you will listen to him. Carry on with the topic now.

 

[Michael]

Greeting saints!

Below is something the Lord God has been showing me concerning the grave atrocity that has been going on increasingly in our time. And that is abortion; the slaughter of the innocents.
This video is not for all. Many have and will dismiss it based on just the title itself. And that is fine. I've never insisted that anyone watch or read anything that I teach. My place is to follow the Lord's direction and leave the increase to Him.
If you would like to comment or question or rebuke, my only desire is that actually watch, look up the Scripture references (as did those in Berea), and prayerfully consider how you might answer.
We are all on this Journey together. We're called to "exhort one another daily" and "come to maturity" through "unity of the faith." We will never all agree on doctrine, but we are commanded to be kind and show mercy to each other. Remember, friends, there is a "cloud of witnesses" all around us, and the Lord, Himself, sees all we do.

Peace & Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus,
Michael

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[NewCreation435]

Greeting saints!

Below is something the Lord God has been showing me concerning the grave atrocity that has been going on increasingly in our time. And that is abortion; the slaughter of the innocents.
This video is not for all. Many have and will dismiss it based on just the title itself. And that is fine. I've never insisted that anyone watch or read anything that I teach. My place is to follow the Lord's direction and leave the increase to Him.
If you would like to comment or question or rebuke, my only desire is that actually watch, look up the Scripture references (as did those in Berea), and prayerfully consider how you might answer.
We are all on this Journey together. We're called to "exhort one another daily" and "come to maturity" through "unity of the faith." We will never all agree on doctrine, but we are commanded to be kind and show mercy to each other. Remember, friends, there is a "cloud of witnesses" all around us, and the Lord, Himself, sees all we do.

Peace & Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus,
Michael

https://youtu.be/VBPmvo5iSa0

I think what you will find on here is that most people won't watch a long video like this one no matter what the subject matter.

 

[NewCreation435]

I just watched your whole video. I wrote down 24 different passages that you mentioned. None of which specifically address abortion.
You mentioned Exodus 1:22, Matthew 2:16-18 both have to do with killing of babies already born and Jeremiah 3115-17 which prophesied of this event. Then Ephesians 6:10-12 which talks about spiritual warfare. Then you went briefly to 1 Thess 4:17, 1 John 3:2, Ob 1:20-21, Romans 8:19-21 where you talked about creation and then Romans 1125-26. You seem to suggest that believers will get charge of children who have been aborted in the next life, something that sounds more like Mormonism than Chrsitianity. Then you go on to Galatians 6:6; Genesis 3:15, Matthew 13:24,36-39 where it talks about the tares among wheat and Genesis 6:4 where it talks about giants in the land before the flood.
You also mentioned 2 Tim 2:20-21, Deut 12:31, Isaiah 57:5, Luke 1:35, Psalm 82:1-4,5-7,8, Dan 10:12-13 and 1 Corinthians 15:23-28, Luke 19:16-19, 2 Timothy 3:6-7, Isaiah 1:17 and Jeremiah 31:16 which you mentioned earlier is mentioned again.

It may serve you better if you were to just mention a few of these passages and go into more depth that just mentioning them briefly and then moving on. Your kinda all over the place in your teaching, but it really didn't convince me of anything regarding abortion. I am already against abortion based on the idea that what is in the womb is sacred and we don't have the right to mess with it.

One passage I really thought you were going to mention that you did not is in Jeremiah 1:4-5 where Jeremiah says that he was set apart in his mother's womb to be a prophet. That would support many of the ideas you mentioned, but you didn't mention it. Like I said, I think you tried to cover so much that you missed some things

 

[Michael]

I just watched your whole video. I wrote down 24 different passages that you mentioned. None of which specifically address abortion.
You mentioned Exodus 1:22, Matthew 2:16-18 both have to do with killing of babies already born and Jeremiah 3115-17 which prophesied of this event. Then Ephesians 6:10-12 which talks about spiritual warfare. Then you went briefly to 1 Thess 4:17, 1 John 3:2, Ob 1:20-21, Romans 8:19-21 where you talked about creation and then Romans 1125-26. You seem to suggest that believers will get charge of children who have been aborted in the next life, something that sounds more like Mormonism than Chrsitianity. Then you go on to Galatians 6:6; Genesis 3:15, Matthew 13:24,36-39 where it talks about the tares among wheat and Genesis 6:4 where it talks about giants in the land before the flood.
You also mentioned 2 Tim 2:20-21, Deut 12:31, Isaiah 57:5, Luke 1:35, Psalm 82:1-4,5-7,8, Dan 10:12-13 and 1 Corinthians 15:23-28, Luke 19:16-19, 2 Timothy 3:6-7, Isaiah 1:17 and Jeremiah 31:16 which you mentioned earlier is mentioned again.

It may serve you better if you were to just mention a few of these passages and go into more depth that just mentioning them briefly and then moving on. Your kinda all over the place in your teaching, but it really didn't convince me of anything regarding abortion. I am already against abortion based on the idea that what is in the womb is sacred and we don't have the right to mess with it.

One passage I really thought you were going to mention that you did not is in Jeremiah 1:4-5 where Jeremiah says that he was set apart in his mother's womb to be a prophet. That would support many of the ideas you mentioned, but you didn't mention it. Like I said, I think you tried to cover so much that you missed some things

Thanks for taking the time to watch. I appreciate response from those who have actually viewed or read what I've shared.

The video, which was brought on because of the abortion that is increasing in our time, is actually more about - as the title states - the "gods" behind the abortion, as well as the child abuse and various sexual sins that I briefly mention. The main point of the teaching is that the enemies of God are trying to prevent - at all costs - the "sons of God" from being born, or coming to maturity. And the multitude of Scripture I use I believe (and others have agreed) support the Biblical understanding of the "priesthood" that will inherit creation, including the aborted and abused children, in the world to come.

And you are correct, I often am guilty of tackling several points at once. As with most of the teaching I do at church and in these video's, the Lord speaks to me as I am flapping at the gums and, believe me, I am often learning as well as He brings passages to mind and ties mysteries together. And I probably talk a bit fast for some as well, as I really do try to keep these video's short.

Perhaps a little insight here will also help explain why it's often hard to do short exhortations... The services in the church I was involved with for 20 years rarely went less than 3 hours on Sunday morning, and then we were back for another 2 or so hours Sunday night; with another Tuesday mid-week meeting for another couple hours. In addition we had opportunities to meet for prayer on Wednesdays & Fridays, with home fellowships to boot! And our Elders Meeting was one Monday month. Plus a friend & I headed up a Men's Prayer Group on Thursdays, meeting outdoors every week for 3 years, missing only one or two due to weather. Much like the early Church in Acts 2:42-47.
So, for those familiar with me, 45 minutes or less is not enough. Heck, I once spent 3 weeks preaching on a single verse from Romans chapter 8! (The entire Romans 8 study, which I'm sharing now in the Bible Study section on this forum took 6 months to complete at our church.)

These "gods" which the video is about are mentioned in many places through the Bible, and they are indeed real. Honestly, the great bulk of preaching today is not preparing the saints for the battle that we are already in. Eph 6:10-20 is not taking about some pretend Sunday School costume the children put on and march around in; this "armor" is required for the saints if they are to truly "overcome" the enemy, stand among the "worthy" ones in that Day, and enter into the fullness of the promises of God in Rev 2 & 3.

And no, I do not lean toward Mormonism. Long after the Lord started opening my eyes to the understanding of the "royal priesthood" and the "co-heirs" of Christ, I encountered some from the Mormon religion and found that there are some points we agree on; although they are way left on some things (as is EVERY denomination I have known), and Mr. Smith's teaching are definitely NOT one to be followed. But the inheritance of Creation, which will include the vast majority of humans born, by those who "overcome" is clear Biblical teaching. That I cover a bit in another Bible Study I did at church and shared in a few places - https://to-him-who-overcomes.com/greatest-gift

Anywho... my place is to be obedient to the Lord God and His Son Jesus above all else. I'm too old & tired for church games anymore or 'going through the motions.' The time is getting closer. "Our salvation is nearer than when we first believed." Let us be found among those who "fear His Name" and are "preparing the way of the Lord" when He is manifest.

Peace & Blessings to you, friend, and all on the site who follow Jesus.

 

[NewCreation435]

Thanks for taking the time to watch. I appreciate response from those who have actually viewed or read what I've shared.

The video, which was brought on because of the abortion that is increasing in our time, is actually more about - as the title states - the "gods" behind the abortion, as well as the child abuse and various sexual sins that I briefly mention. The main point of the teaching is that the enemies of God are trying to prevent - at all costs - the "sons of God" from being born, or coming to maturity. And the multitude of Scripture I use I believe (and others have agreed) support the Biblical understanding of the "priesthood" that will inherit creation, including the aborted and abused children, in the world to come.

And you are correct, I often am guilty of tackling several points at once. As with most of the teaching I do at church and in these video's, the Lord speaks to me as I am flapping at the gums and, believe me, I am often learning as well as He brings passages to mind and ties mysteries together. And I probably talk a bit fast for some as well, as I really do try to keep these video's short.

Perhaps a little insight here will also help explain why it's often hard to do short exhortations... The services in the church I was involved with for 20 years rarely went less than 3 hours on Sunday morning, and then we were back for another 2 or so hours Sunday night; with another Tuesday mid-week meeting for another couple hours. In addition we had opportunities to meet for prayer on Wednesdays & Fridays, with home fellowships to boot! And our Elders Meeting was one Monday month. Plus a friend & I headed up a Men's Prayer Group on Thursdays, meeting outdoors every week for 3 years, missing only one or two due to weather. Much like the early Church in Acts 2:42-47.
So, for those familiar with me, 45 minutes or less is not enough. Heck, I once spent 3 weeks preaching on a single verse from Romans chapter 8! (The entire Romans 8 study, which I'm sharing now in the Bible Study section on this forum took 6 months to complete at our church.)

These "gods" which the video is about are mentioned in many places through the Bible, and they are indeed real. Honestly, the great bulk of preaching today is not preparing the saints for the battle that we are already in. Eph 6:10-20 is not taking about some pretend Sunday School costume the children put on and march around in; this "armor" is required for the saints if they are to truly "overcome" the enemy, stand among the "worthy" ones in that Day, and enter into the fullness of the promises of God in Rev 2 & 3.

And no, I do not lean toward Mormonism. Long after the Lord started opening my eyes to the understanding of the "royal priesthood" and the "co-heirs" of Christ, I encountered some from the Mormon religion and found that there are some points we agree on; although they are way left on some things (as is EVERY denomination I have known), and Mr. Smith's teaching are definitely NOT one to be followed. But the inheritance of Creation, which will include the vast majority of humans born, by those who "overcome" is clear Biblical teaching. That I cover a bit in another Bible Study I did at church and shared in a few places - https://to-him-who-overcomes.com/greatest-gift

Anywho... my place is to be obedient to the Lord God and His Son Jesus above all else. I'm too old & tired for church games anymore or 'going through the motions.' The time is getting closer. "Our salvation is nearer than when we first believed." Let us be found among those who "fear His Name" and are "preparing the way of the Lord" when He is manifest.

Peace & Blessings to you, friend, and all on the site who follow Jesus.

I would not refer to them as "gods" because that seems to elevate them to a level of importance they don't deserve. There are rulers and authorities in heavenly places that are of the devil and we see evidence of this evil every single day. Not only in the aspect of abortion, but in child abuse, spousal abuse and the distorted world view that the devil promotes. That is something I believe we can agree on

 

[Josiah]

The Bible never mentions abortion at all.

True. It also never mentions guns, so should be conclude that as long as someone is killed by a GUN, it's okay? I'm just not sure the MEANS of killing is the moral issue.... The various methods of abortion (including cutting up the baby into pieces and then pulling out the bloody pieces..... burning the flesh off with a strong salt solution.... cutting off the head as it exits the birth canal, etc.) are just MEANS of killing. If piano wire was used instead, or perhaps a gun, yeah - those MEANS would not the mentioned in the Bible but we'd still have the same moral issue: an innocent, defenseless, non-threatening human is perposely and intentionally being murdered.





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[Josiah]

It USED to be that giving birth to a child was a good thing.... And irresponsible sex (especially outside of marriage) was a bad thing.... Our society has reversed this.

 

[kiwimac]

True. It also never mentions guns, so should be conclude that as long as someone is killed by a GUN, it's okay? I'm just not sure the MEANS of killing is the moral issue.... The various methods of abortion (including cutting up the baby into pieces and then pulling out the bloody pieces..... burning the flesh off with a strong salt solution.... cutting off the head as it exits the birth canal, etc.) are just MEANS of killing. If piano wire was used instead, or perhaps a gun, yeah - those MEANS would not the mentioned in the Bible but we'd still have the same moral issue: an innocent, defenseless, non-threatening human is perposely and intentionally being murdered.





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Murder is a legal term meaning "the illegal taking of a human life. " Abortion is legal thus not murder. As for the rest of your post, it is emotion-laden drivel.

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