All About Faith

[YourTruthGod]

How do you know when you are saved?

I have a powerful testimony of when I was saved. I just want to help others to know God better, and for possibly some to have a testimony as powerful as mine.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Jesus says that he saves those who obey him.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

There are many more.

I will give you more if you would like.



That is about the Gentiles who were dead in their sins because they didn't enter the covenant and do the purification works of the law to atone for their souls.


Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,


See, Paul isn't saying 'not of works' to mean 'not of obeying'. Paul is saying 'not of works' as in the purification works of the law in which circumcision is the sign.



Jesus saves the Gentiles too, even though they were disobedient to God and did not clean themselves.

Jesus saved them and didn't make them get circumcised first.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Again, the works are the purification works of the law in which the Jews could boast about.
Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.[/QUOTE]
Jesus tells us what to do to get saved and to stay saved.[/QUOTE]I asked a simple task of you. You couldn't do it. Let me make this clear. The law does not save. If it did, we would not need Jesus as our savior.

Your problem is that when you are shown from Scripture that we are saved by God, you immediately do a word search for works, ignore the context of the Scriptures you've cherry picked and say 'Look! This Scripture proves that Scripture is false.'

John 14:23 is a perfect example. You were shown in Ephesians 2 that faith is a gift from God, not the result of works and what do you do? You post a verse that talks about us obeying Jesus. But not because we love Jesus, because of what He did for us, not because He loved us first, not because any work we do is a fruit of faith, but because you believe that by you doing what Jesus says, Jesus will save you. You've turned the whole doctrine of Justification into a game of Simon Says.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I have a powerful testimony of when I was saved. I just want to help others to know God better, and for possibly some to have a testimony as powerful as mine.

The god you want others to know about is not the one true God. Yours is a god of your own making, an idol, that requires works before he will save you and never says which works or how many works you need to do in order to be saved.

 

[YourTruthGod]

The god you want others to know about is not the one true God. Yours is a god of your own making, an idol, that requires works before he will save you and never says which works or how many works you need to do in order to be saved.

I gave you scripture and you gave me your worthless opinion.

 

[YourTruthGod]

I asked a simple task of you. You couldn't do it. Let me make this clear. The law does not save. If it did, we would not need Jesus as our savior.

I gave you scriptures and I explained things carefully for you.

Your problem is that when you are shown from Scripture that we are saved by God, you immediately do a word search for works, ignore the context of the Scriptures you've cherry picked and say 'Look! This Scripture proves that Scripture is false.'

That is what you do.

John 14:23 is a perfect example. You were shown in Ephesians 2 that faith is a gift from God, not the result of works and what do you do? You post a verse that talks about us obeying Jesus. But not because we love Jesus, because of what He did for us, not because He loved us first, not because any work we do is a fruit of faith, but because you believe that by you doing what Jesus says, Jesus will save you. You've turned the whole doctrine of Justification into a game of Simon Says.

Jesus says PLAINLY that if you obey he will live with you.

 

[YourTruthGod]

We are blessed as a disciple, family member, and friend if we do what Jesus says.


Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Make it fast because I'm getting ready to log off.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I gave you scriptures and I explained things carefully for you.

That is what you do.



Jesus says PLAINLY that if you obey he will live with you.

You posted one verse repeatedly and ignored all the verses in Ephesians 2, that show justification is not the result of works. Romans 3:21-30 also says we are saved by faith apart from works of the law. Do you see what I'm doing? I'm not posting one verse with a chosen key word, like you do. I'm posting multiple verses so people can keep it in context.

Romans 3:21–30
(NASB95)
Justification by Faith

21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because Romans 3:25–30 (NASB95): in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I gave you scriptures and I explained things carefully for you.

That is what you do.



Jesus says PLAINLY that if you obey he will live with you.

Jesus is my Lord and Savior, not my roommate.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

We are blessed as a disciple, family member, and friend if we do what Jesus says.


Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

None of those verses say you are justified if you do what Jesus says. Not one single verse.

 

[MennoSota]

The scripture says to those WHO BELIEVED IN HIS NAME, he gave the right to become children of God.

Let's look:
John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
1) Yet
Question: What does the word "yet" refer to? It connects something, but what? What comes before this that the writer is connecting?
2) to all who receive him
Question: Who are "all" who receive him? Who is the word "him" referring to? What does receive mean? Is it similar to receiving a package delivered specifically to a person?
3) to those who believe in his name
Question: Who are "those?" Does "those" relate to "all" in the earlier phrase? What does "believe" refer to? What/who does "his name" refer to? Can we determine that by exploring an earlier verse?
4) he gave the right to become children of God.
Question: Does "he" refer to the "his name" in the earlier phrase? Who is "he?" What is a "the right" being referenced? What is a "right?" Is it a legal term? What does "to become" mean? How does one "become" a child of God? Does the "become" happen because "he" gives "the right" to be "children of God?" What is a child of God? What does that look like?

Notice that there is much here to explore. There is much here that points to the Sovereign work of God, that is not dependent upon human action first.
The scripture says much more than you are willing to accept or explore.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You posted one verse repeatedly

It doesn't sound to me like truth is very important to you, or else you would not say all these untruths about me.

You can't even handle one scripture, so how are you going to handle more?

and ignored all the verses in Ephesians 2, that show justification is not the result of works.

I have explained it to you, but your refuse the truth. Paul is speaking about the purification works of the law that used to justify the people.

Paul isn't saying we are not saved by obeying Jesus.

The Gentiles knew that they without God in the world because they didn't get circumcised. Paul is explaining it is no longer about the works of the law in which circumcision was the sign and seal.


Romans 3:21–30
(NASB95)
Justification by Faith

21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because Romans 3:25–30 (NASB95): in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.


See, Paul is explaining to the Gentiles why they can be saved now without being circumcised like the Jews.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Jesus is my Lord and Savior, not my roommate.

You are mocking that Jesus lives inside our hearts when we are saved?

 

[YourTruthGod]

None of those verses say you are justified if you do what Jesus says. Not one single verse.

Those three scriptures say you are not saved unless you obey.

I have more scriptures for you about being justified, even though I don't think you can handle them.

Repenting of sins justifies:

Luke 18:13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be 4 humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

Jesus doesn't justify you until you repent and believe.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Let's look:
John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
1) Yet
Question: What does the word "yet" refer to? It connects something, but what? What comes before this that the writer is connecting?
2) to all who receive him
Question: Who are "all" who receive him? Who is the word "him" referring to? What does receive mean? Is it similar to receiving a package delivered specifically to a person?
3) to those who believe in his name
Question: Who are "those?" Does "those" relate to "all" in the earlier phrase? What does "believe" refer to? What/who does "his name" refer to? Can we determine that by exploring an earlier verse?
4) he gave the right to become children of God.
Question: Does "he" refer to the "his name" in the earlier phrase? Who is "he?" What is a "the right" being referenced? What is a "right?" Is it a legal term? What does "to become" mean? How does one "become" a child of God? Does the "become" happen because "he" gives "the right" to be "children of God?" What is a child of God? What does that look like?

Notice that there is much here to explore. There is much here that points to the Sovereign work of God, that is not dependent upon human action first.
The scripture says much more than you are willing to accept or explore.

When Jesus walked the earth, he came to make a new covenant, a testament.

When a human man makes his last will and testament, he makes it to his heirs. Well Jesus taught how to become his heir.

Jesus said to humble yourself and repent of your sins.

Jesus gave many guidelines and regulations for his last will and testament. All human wills have rules and regulations.

Some of those rules and regulations were how to be an heir and how to stay an heir.

Do not murder, do not steal, etc.

In Jesus' last testament, he also said what his heirs would receive.

We would receive his Holy Spirit, and eternal life.

Then Jesus died and his testament went into force.

 

[MennoSota]

When Jesus walked the earth, he came to make a new covenant, a testament.

When a human man makes his last will and testament, he makes it to his heirs. Well Jesus taught how to become his heir.

Jesus said to humble yourself and repent of your sins.

Jesus gave many guidelines and regulations for his last will and testament. All human wills have rules and regulations.

Some of those rules and regulations were how to be an heir and how to stay an heir.

Do not murder, do not steal, etc.

In Jesus' last testament, he also said what his heirs would receive.

We would receive his Holy Spirit, and eternal life.

Then Jesus died and his testament went into force.

You literally refused to address John 1:12, the verse you chose to prop up a position that John 1:12 does not support. Now you divert to assertions without scripture.
YTG, at what point will scripture convince you that your assertions have been wrong?

 

[YourTruthGod]

You literally refused to address John 1:12, the verse you chose to prop up a position that John 1:12 does not support. Now you divert to assertions without scripture.
YTG, at what point will scripture convince you that your assertions have been wrong?

I am going to leave this site because the Admin , and just about everyone else is hostile towards me.

 

[MennoSota]

I am going to leave this site because the Admin , and just about everyone else is hostile towards me.

We are not hostile toward you. We are showing you the obstacles that trip you up and you are belligerently telling everyone else they are wrong.
If you must go to find cult members who support you, I suggest the pagan site titled Theology Online. You will rarely find a Christian on that site, but the pagans and cult members will likely embrace you and affirm your doctrines. That should make you cringe. Hopefully God will break through the obstacles you have created.
Go in peace.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

It doesn't sound to me like truth is very important to you, or else you would not say all these untruths about me.

You can't even handle one scripture, so how are you going to handle more?


I have explained it to you, but your refuse the truth. Paul is speaking about the purification works of the law that used to justify the people.

Paul isn't saying we are not saved by obeying Jesus.

The Gentiles knew that they without God in the world because they didn't get circumcised. Paul is explaining it is no longer about the works of the law in which circumcision was the sign and seal.


Romans 3:21–30
(NASB95)
Justification by Faith

21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because Romans 3:25–30 (NASB95): in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.


See, Paul is explaining to the Gentiles why they can be saved now without being circumcised like the Jews.

It is important, which is why we're all showing you how you are in serious error. You have never, in the time I have spoken with you, said spoken of what Christ has done for you. You have repeatedly pointed to yourself and your works. You're very proud of you works and all you have done. Works are your god. You are in very serious error and very serious danger of losing your salvation.

I have shown you multiple verses that teach a right understanding of justification. Many verses, so it's clear I can handle more than one verse at a time. The fact that you don't even discuss the verses I posted and instead focus on me personally, shows you have nothing to offer in this discussion.

 

[Andrew]

I am going to leave this site because the Admin , and just about everyone else is hostile towards me.

We are being patient with you, I recommend you find fellowship at your local church and attend some bible studies, sometimes studying on your own and self commentating can leave you confused with all kinds of wild interpretations.