All About Faith

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Those three scriptures say you are not saved unless you obey.

I have more scriptures for you about being justified, even though I don't think you can handle them.

Repenting of sins justifies:

Luke 18:13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be 4 humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

Jesus doesn't justify you until you repent and believe.

Great parable and very fitting as you are just like the Pharisee, who boasts of his works and all you have done and what a good little Christian you are. It's always about you. Christianity is not about you and what you have done. It's about what Jesus has done for you.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

You are mocking that Jesus lives inside our hearts when we are saved?

Have you read what Scripture says about the heart of a human? We are to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit, who pricks our conscience and drives us to repent when we sin and gives us the will to do good works that flow from the gift of faith we were given. You make Jesus out to be a keepsake you carry in your heart and who rewards you when you do good deeds. The focus must always be on you and all you have done. That's not the Christian faith.

 

[YourTruthGod]

We are not hostile toward you. We are showing you the obstacles that trip you up and you are belligerently telling everyone else they are wrong.
If you must go to find cult members who support you, I suggest the pagan site titled Theology Online. You will rarely find a Christian on that site, but the pagans and cult members will likely embrace you and affirm your doctrines. That should make you cringe. Hopefully God will break through the obstacles you have created.
Go in peace.

You know you can't defend your false beliefs and it is why you resort to insults. What else do you have when you don't have truth?

Your "Go in peace" is phony like your doctrines.

 

[YourTruthGod]

It is important, which is why we're all showing you how you are in serious error. You have never, in the time I have spoken with you, said spoken of what Christ has done for you. You have repeatedly pointed to yourself and your works. You're very proud of you works and all you have done. Works are your god. You are in very serious error and very serious danger of losing your salvation.

I have shown you multiple verses that teach a right understanding of justification. Many verses, so it's clear I can handle more than one verse at a time. The fact that you don't even discuss the verses I posted and instead focus on me personally, shows you have nothing to offer in this discussion.

It isn't shameful to obey Jesus.

You are boasting in your sinfulness.

Here are some rebukes from Paul to you, as he boasts in his right actions---

2 Corinthians 1:12 Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, with integrity and godly sincerity. We have done so, relying not on worldly wisdom but on God's grace.

This next scripture shows Paul boasting to Titus about the church in Corinth for repenting; something you said we cannot boast in.

2 Corinthians 7:14 I had boasted to him about you, and you have not embarrassed me. But just as everything we said to you was true, so our boasting about you to Titus has proved to be true as well.


You sound NOTHING like Paul the Christian and follower of the Way.

 

[YourTruthGod]

We are being patient with you, I recommend you find fellowship at your local church and attend some bible studies, sometimes studying on your own and self commentating can leave you confused with all kinds of wild interpretations.

You have been patient with me and I need your instructions? lol

I couldn't care any less what you think of me, only God.

It is pathetic how you go against someone who preaches obedience to Christ at all times.

 

[Andrew]

You have been patient with me and I need your instructions? lol

I couldn't care any less what you think of me, only God.

NO. ONE. HERE. SAYS. WE. SHOULD. NOT. OBEY. CHRIST!

 

[YourTruthGod]

Great parable and very fitting as you are just like the Pharisee, who boasts of his works and all you have done and what a good little Christian you are. It's always about you. Christianity is not about you and what you have done. It's about what Jesus has done for you.

You are the one like the Pharisees. They didn't repent of their sins to get saved, just like you insist we don't have to do.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)


That means they didn't repent of their sins.

Here is how all the rest of you are like Pharisee too:

John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

It isn't shameful to obey Jesus.

You are boasting in your sinfulness.

Here are some rebukes from Paul to you, as he boasts in his right actions---

2 Corinthians 1:12 Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, with integrity and godly sincerity. We have done so, relying not on worldly wisdom but on God's grace.

This next scripture shows Paul boasting to Titus about the church in Corinth for repenting; something you said we cannot boast in.

2 Corinthians 7:14 I had boasted to him about you, and you have not embarrassed me. But just as everything we said to you was true, so our boasting about you to Titus has proved to be true as well.


You sound NOTHING like Paul the Christian and follower of the Way.

You obey Jesus not because you love Him, but because of what you think you can get from Him and encourage others to do the same. You preach a gospel contrary to the one we received from God. Go read what was written about that.

You also have no idea how I or anyone else conducts themselves in the world, so your accusations have no truth, much like your posts.

 

[YourTruthGod]

NO. ONE. HERE. SAYS. WE. SHOULD. NOT. OBEY. CHRIST!

YES YOU DO.

You say we don't have to obey to get saved and not to stay saved.

NOW STOP WITH THE DENIAL of what you are saying and doing.

Yes or no: Do we have to obey Jesus and repent of sins and have faith that his blood washes away our sin to get saved?

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

You are the one like the Pharisees. They didn't repent of their sins to get saved, just like you insist we don't have to do.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)


That means they didn't repent of their sins.

Here is how all the rest of you are like Pharisee too:

John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them.

Repentance is a fruit of faith, not a cause of it. Salvation is not a quid pro quo transaction. No one teaches we are saved without repentance. Your problems stem from the fact that you do not understand how one is justified in the Christian faith. You have been shown from the Word of God how a person is justified and have said those Scriptures are wrong. You also don't understand repentance, what it is or how it comes to happen. At best you're semi-pelagian at worst an unbeliever.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You obey Jesus not because you love Him, but because of what you think you can get from Him and encourage others to do the same. You preach a gospel contrary to the one we received from God. Go read what was written about that.

You also have no idea how I or anyone else conducts themselves in the world, so your accusations have no truth, much like your posts.

You just gave your false judgment of me and want to rebuke me?

GOD SAYS obeying HIM IS LOVE.


1 John 5:3 Love for God means obedience to His commands; and His commands are not irksome.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

YES YOU DO.

You say we don't have to obey to get saved and not to stay saved.

NOW STOP WITH THE DENIAL of what you are saying and doing.

Yes or no: Do we have to obey Jesus and repent of sins and have faith that his blood washes away our sin to get saved?

Obeying the law does not save you. The problem is you reject the free gift of faith and believe that you must do in order to get. You reject God's grace.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

You just gave your false judgment of me and want to rebuke me?

GOD SAYS obeying HIM IS LOVE.


1 John 5:3 Love for God means obedience to His commands; and His commands are not irksome.

It is love , but it isn't justification. That is wholly God's work in us.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Repentance is a fruit of faith, not a cause of it. Salvation is not a quid pro quo transaction. No one teaches we are saved without repentance. Your problems stem from the fact that you do not understand how one is justified in the Christian faith. You have been shown from the Word of God how a person is justified and have said those Scriptures are wrong. You also don't understand repentance, what it is or how it comes to happen. At best you're semi-pelagian at worst an unbeliever.

What else do you got besides personal attacks and lies?

 

[YourTruthGod]

Obeying the law does not save you. The problem is you reject the free gift of faith and believe that you must do in order to get. You reject God's grace.

Jesus gave a new law.

You lie about me.

Show where I told anyone to get circumcised and observe special days and to not eat pork.

You say anything whether or not it is accurate.

 

[YourTruthGod]

It is love , but it isn't justification. That is wholly God's work in us.

You have to repent and have faith to get justified.

 

[Andrew]

YES YOU DO.

You say we don't have to obey to get saved and not to stay saved.

NOW STOP WITH THE DENIAL of what you are saying and doing.

Yes or no: Do we have to obey Jesus and repent of sins and have faith that his blood washes away our sin to get saved?

Obedience and repentance doesn't CAUSE Faith, without Faith no one would care to repent because their heart is wicked, without faith no one could be obedient to the Lord, are you saying that the unfaithful can obey and repent?
Can someone have Faith and NOT obey Gods command? The Bible says no.
The act of repentance comes from accepting God through Faith by His grace and acting on it because the Spirit convicts you to, without Faith the very word 'Sin' is obsolete to the non believer. That moment your heart is convicted of Sin it's because God is renewing your heart and has called you to repentance. Paul received revelation, I however received the gospel and listened to it but didn't obey until one day I felt a very very strong conviction in my heart and all of a sudden everything I read in the Bible all came together and I had that "aha" moment of clarity and repented there on the spot. I still lacked fellowship however, remember that when two or more people are gathered in Jesus name the Lord is present among them. Having fellowship with brothers and sisters in Faith was what God wanted for ME, you don't like church I assume, but if I may suggest that you find an assembly with Gods people and connect with them, being left on your own is not so wise imo because you are struggling here and I feel for you brother, you need connection because your social skills lack and I mean no offence, I was the same way I'm just trying to help.
Pray and ask God to send his faithful to you and they WILL come, I did exactly this and low and behold I found myself being prayed over by dozens of people in the middle of the road in town square, no joke either, that day changed my life forever.
Ask and ye shall receive.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

What else do you got besides personal attacks and lies?

Matthew 10:14-15 {NASB95}

14 “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
15 “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

You have to repent and have faith to get justified.

Matthew 10:14-15 {NASB95}

14 “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
15 “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Jesus gave a new law.

You lie about me.

Show where I told anyone to get circumcised and observe special days and to not eat pork.

You say anything whether or not it is accurate.

Matthew 10:14-15 {NASB95}

14 “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
15 “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.