Three days and three nights: Crucifixion timeline

[Andrew]

The Jewish 'day' begins at sunset, if Jesus spent three days and three nights why are we always told that Jesus was buried Friday evening and was resurrected Sunday morning? That's barely 36 hours, no where near 3 days...
Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/PpwAWHes1y0

 

[Albion]

Parts of three days counted as three 'days' at that time.

 

[Andrew]

Parts of three days counted as three 'days' at that time.

"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Matthew 12:39-40

So you are saying that not literally three days and three nights as Jesus says?

 

[Andrew]

Also when do you count sunday as part of "three days" when the body was taken up in the early night seeing the tomb was empty?

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre"
John 20:1

If Jesus says three nights then it must be three nights, not two. This is the sign of Jonas "three days and three nights".

Also note that the weekly Sabbath and High Day Sabbath are two different Sabbaths that fell within three days of each other that week.
https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/three-days-and-three-nights-did-jesus-keep-his-word

 

[atpollard]

Also when do you count sunday as part of "three days" when the body was taken up in the early night seeing the tomb was empty?

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre"
John 20:1

If Jesus says three nights then it must be three nights, not two. This is the sign of Jonas "three days and three nights".

Also note that the weekly Sabbath and High Day Sabbath are two different Sabbaths that fell within three days of each other that week.
https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/three-days-and-three-nights-did-jesus-keep-his-word

This disagrees with the rest of the narratives.
Why did the women find no guards at the tomb at sunrise on the First day of the week? If Jesus rose at sunset the night before, the guards had enough time to reach the priests, report the event and recover the tomb so no one would know that the body was missing.

Locate and read the account of Jesus walking on the road with the disciples who claim that “this is the third day” since Jesus was tried and crucified and buried. It is absolutely unambiguous that Jesus was walking with disciples on the third day and not in a tomb.

How is it that LUKE was unaware of the double sabbath and misquoted the disciples on the road?
Why did God see fit to make no mention of it in any scripture?

The real question is to understand what “the sign of Jonah” means and what “three days and nights” means in the verse you are building your timeline from. From there comes insight rather than silly debate.

Good luck.

 

[Arsenios]

This is always a fun issue...

First, welcome to Biblical Time...
Genesis 1...
The day begins and ends at sunset...

Second, any part of a day "counts" as the whole of that day...

So if an event begins an hour before sunset, then that counts as the full 24 hours of which only the last one was involved...

And if that same event ends an hour after that same sunset, then the event occupies a full 48 hours in its accounting...

Don't blame me - I didn't make up the rules!

Christ arose very early in the morning of the third day...


Arsenios

 

[Andrew]

This disagrees with the rest of the narratives.
Why did the women find no guards at the tomb at sunrise on the First day of the week? If Jesus rose at sunset the night before, the guards had enough time to reach the priests, report the event and recover the tomb so no one would know that the body was missing.

Locate and read the account of Jesus walking on the road with the disciples who claim that “this is the third day” since Jesus was tried and crucified and buried. It is absolutely unambiguous that Jesus was walking with disciples on the third day and not in a tomb.

How is it that LUKE was unaware of the double sabbath and misquoted the disciples on the road?
Why did God see fit to make no mention of it in any scripture?

The real question is to understand what “the sign of Jonah” means and what “three days and nights” means in the verse you are building your timeline from. From there comes insight rather than silly debate.

Good luck.

Good questions.. I find this an interesting study, I honestly believe he rose sabbath/saturday just before night fall and into sunday fully resurrected. (Our saturday night is the Jewish sunday)

 

[Andrew]

This is always a fun issue...

First, welcome to Biblical Time...
Genesis 1...
The day begins and ends at sunset...

Second, any part of a day "counts" as the whole of that day...

So if an event begins an hour before sunset, then that counts as the full 24 hours of which only the last one was involved...

And if that same event ends an hour after that same sunset, then the event occupies a full 48 hours in its accounting...

Don't blame me - I didn't make up the rules!

Christ arose very early in the morning of the third day...


Arsenios

For us however we would say he arose saturday evening BUT thats the Jewish Sunday! So yes he rose on Sunday that begin at sundown of (our) Saturday.
By the time she got to the tomb sunday (saturday night) he was gone.

 

[Andrew]

It's theorised that because wednesday was preparation day and the high day sabbath was on thursday the romans had to break the legs of the crucified to make sure they were dead to take them down (high day sabbath begins thursday and thursday began when wednesday ends at sun down, this is why it was important to take them down and bury them before the high day sabbath begins at sundown THURSDAY there were to be no crucifixions on the Sabbath thus taking down the bodys was preparation day, he was buried just before HIGH DAY Sabbath (thursday) and he was resurrected at the end of the weekly sabbath (saturday evening-Sunday) fulfilling his promise of the sign of Jonas 3 days and 3 nights and became the sacrificial LAMB being dead through 2 Sabbaths -The annual High Day Sabbath (Thursday) and weekly Sabbath (Saturday)!
This timeline goes through his 3 nights fully and three days fully and coincides perfectly to why they took him down when they did (preparation day WED) for the (High Day Sabbath at sundown) hence he was buried before sundown just like the bible says.

 

[Andrew]

How is it that LUKE was unaware of the double sabbath and misquoted the disciples on the road?
Why did God see fit to make no mention of it in any scripture?


Good luck.

The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:31


Here John is speaking about the Preparation Day (Wed) and the High Day Sabbath (Thursday)
I imagine the Last Supper and betrayal and arrest happened early wed (which would have started at Night, hence the last supper was literally their Last Supper before the passover lamb will be killed

 

[Andrew]

This video explains it the best, 5 stars!


https://youtu.be/EmtyYqq11Qc

 

[Josiah]

Here's an interesting take...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5CcpeFSFeM

 

[psalms 91]

My take: There was a high Sabbeth right before Passover and yes, He was in the tomb a full three days and three nights for the Jews held a belief that for three days a man could be brought back but on the fourth day there is no coming back so it was a sign unto the Jews as well as prophecy being fulfilled.

 

[Josiah]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davea...-3-days-nights-in-the-tomb-contradiction.html


This is what I've been told.... and it makes sense to me.



I also think we MAY be pumping some modern, western, science concepts into this. Don't forget, Jesus didn't say this to 21st Century American math students. In near east thinking, numbers often MEAN things rather than measure things. The number 3 often means "completeness, wholeness, perfection." The number means divine approval. When Jesus says "THREE" does he mean the numeral? Or does He mean complete? In fact, it may well be that in the story of Jonah, the number doesn't mean he was in the fish for 72 hours (probably impossible) but long enough to fulfill the purpose. It's understandable, but we often UNINTENTIONALLY do eisegesis - inserting OUR understandings.



Just my half cent.



- Josiah




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[Albion]

"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Matthew 12:39-40

So you are saying that not literally three days and three nights as Jesus says?

I don't see the language there to be meant as we now normally use those words. I don't know if that would be called *literal* or not.

 

[Andrew]

I don't see the language there to be meant as we now normally use those words. I don't know if that would be called *literal* or not.

Interesting. But where do you see a hole in the explanation I presented which I believe actually fits perfectly?
I have no problem with Good Friday and Easter as observed in tradition, Christmas is an observance of his birth but we know it to not be accurate...

 

[Albion]

Interesting. But where do you see a hole in the explanation I presented which I believe actually fits perfectly?

You're using the reference to days in the way that Western society of a later time usually has done. It is not the way the peoples of an earlier era and different society used the word.

 

[Andrew]

My take: There was a high Sabbeth right before Passover and yes, He was in the tomb a full three days and three nights for the Jews held a belief that for three days a man could be brought back but on the fourth day there is no coming back so it was a sign unto the Jews as well as prophecy being fulfilled.

Except the passover was before the high day Sabbath, hence the Passover meal... Is this what you mean?

 

[Andrew]

You're using the reference to days in the way that Western society of a later time usually has done. It is not the way the peoples of an earlier era and different society used the word.

To the Jew it's considered the sign of Jonas, and no it is not a western "day" it is purely 'nightfall to nightfall' Jewish days.
Were they supposed to take it as simply a metaphor for "completion"?
I am a sucker for biblical timelines and this by far benefits the "high day" Sabbath that is referred to in the bible. From the last supper to the empty tomb it makes total sense imo.

 

[Andrew]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davea...-3-days-nights-in-the-tomb-contradiction.html


This is what I've been told.... and it makes sense to me.



I also think we MAY be pumping some modern, western, science concepts into this. Don't forget, Jesus didn't say this to 21st Century American math students. In near east thinking, numbers often MEAN things rather than measure things. The number 3 often means "completeness, wholeness, perfection." The number means divine approval. When Jesus says "THREE" does he mean the numeral? Or does He mean complete? In fact, it may well be that in the story of Jonah, the number doesn't mean he was in the fish for 72 hours (probably impossible) but long enough to fulfill the purpose. It's understandable, but we often UNINTENTIONALLY do eisegesis - inserting OUR understandings.



Just my half cent.



- Josiah




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There no mention of the "high day" Sabbath in this article.
A day John refers to, and a day that does not fall on the weekly sabbath.
The high day sabbath falls 7 times a year (unless they fell on the same day) Jesus was in the grave for both sabbaths.