Blood Moons

[psalms 91]

And you totally ignore the part about times and seasons and signs in the heavens? Selective scripture perhaps?

 

[Hammster]

And you totally ignore the part about times and seasons and signs in the heavens? Selective scripture perhaps?

I wholeheartedly agree that we have time and seasons.

 

[Alithis]

There's no scripture to support the blood moons. If there was, it would be presented.

And no, I do not deny creation, as if that has anything to do with this topic.

?? i said they are time pieces set in motion by God to mark the times seasons .. AND you'll note the scripture states "SIGNS" ..
put that together with the feasts upon which all these eclipses fell ..feast which were also established by GOD in his word and you see a big clear picture indeed . why squint at it and say ngha nagh nagh ?

i.m not quibbling over the myriad of finite details of what is and is not particular results .. we cannot know that any more then in times past they could understand how the savior was to be from Bethlehem,called out of Egypt and a Nazarene 3 apparently conflicting prophecies .
all im saying is that these events are marking both time season and sign .just as the lord created them to do .It would not be circumspect to ignore them

 

[Hammster]

?? i said they are time pieces set in motion by God to mark the times seasons .. AND you'll note the scripture states "SIGNS" ..
put that together with the feasts upon which all these eclipses fell ..feast which were also established by GOD in his word and you see a big clear picture indeed . why squint at it and say ngha nagh nagh ?

i.m not quibbling over the myriad of finite details of what is and is not particular results .. we cannot know that any more then in times past they could understand how the savior was to be from Bethlehem,called out of Egypt and a Nazarene 3 apparently conflicting prophecies .
all im saying is that these events are marking both time season and sign .just as the lord created them to do .It would not be circumspect to ignore them

What exactly am I not supposed to ignore?

 

[Alithis]

What exactly am I not supposed to ignore?

the time pieces God created to mark days months years and signs .and how those time pieces have crossed over like the minute hand hour hand and second hand all meeting on the hour at the exact same point ..in perfect unison with the dates of the feasts of Passover and the feast of tabernacles .. it is no mistake ,it is no coincidence

 

[Hammster]

I'll try again. What about this event am I not supposed to ignore? What happened?

 

[tango]

the thing is hammster .. on the evening that the lord Jesus was born into the world .. the very town he was born of were not even aware of the most magnificent event since the creation of the world .
they did not know they did not perceive.. why are you looking for a singular thing . there is a vividly clear full picture.

please , don't be like the evolutionists that say "but but but look at this tiny microscopic mutated cell particle that maybe is evidence that our guess work in opposition to God is right .." and fail to look upon the big picture of creation surrounding them .

please don't be like those who say.. "see all things continue as before the lord delays " let us eat drink and be merry .." for sudden destruction comes upon them .

It is now time to seek the lord more then ever before it is time to come out from the world in every aspect of our lives and be filled with the Spirit of the living God .

the times and the seasons are there for us to know the times in which we live .. the day and hour of his coming is not known by any but the father but the season is made blatantly clear and he comes for a bride without spot without or blemish.. and he wild purify his pride as through fire .. and he will separate the true from the false the wheat from the tares .those who will lay down their lives their wills and their sins and take up the cross no mater what.

let no believer say "the lord is coming for me "while he eats his full and watches his favorite worldly amusement and trusts in the arm of flesh .for he does not come for a tainted muddied bride ...
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth .. now is the day of salvation , NOW if you will not harden your hearts.

these words are spoken more then one time by the lord Jesus and always he speaks to believers not unbelievers /because to believe and not repent is worse then to never have known .
i know you say he is a Sheppard- but a sheep who refuses to hear and obey the voice of the Sheppard is a sheep destined to stray and perish .

are you saying there is no "reality" in the words of the Lord Jesus

This is all well and good but could be lifted out of your post and used word-for-word to support my theory that if we reintroduce piracy to the high seas everything will improve, based on the observation that as piracy has reduced so the world has become more evil overall.

It uses lots of words but says precisely nothing about why, or even whether, any one specific event is relevant.

 

[Hammster]

This is all well and good but could be lifted out of your post and used word-for-word to support my theory that if we reintroduce piracy to the high seas everything will improve, based on the observation that as piracy has reduced so the world has become more evil overall.

It uses lots of words but says precisely nothing about why, or even whether, any one specific event is relevant.

Good point.

 

[tango]

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there is no way the blood moons have been a non event. they did not turn into nothing .

So what was the event? From my house I didn't even see the moon, it hid behind the clouds all night.

since the creation of the world God set in motion the sun and stars and moon as timepieces to mark days and months and seasons is is not governed by time but created time and the means by which to mark it .
the timing of these past 4 blood moons in accordance with all the biblical feast is in itself an astounding event .

So what exactly is the significance of such an astounding event?

and without any indepth study u can observe that since the first one in 2014 ..the world has gone topsy turvey.it has turned upside down in a wave of evil like never before .

So 2014 was significantly more evil than 2013? Really?

never before has such a high percentage of the world (particularly the west which was one defined by its slightly higher level of godliness ) collectively made a blatant law against
the Lord God as they have done making it a law that two men can marry .. as far as i know this has never occurred not even in the days of sodom and gomorrah. and they were set as an example to mankind as a whole .

Because men sodomising each other is far more evil when the state gives them a piece of paper?

europe is in turmoil of protests polarizing nations from within themselves over the great export of the false god allah (also known as the refugee crisis)

Europe has been dealing with refugees for years. It's not a new thing.

the great love of money in the wealth adoring western churches has caused their hearts to wax Cold to the principles of Holiness unto the lord and they unite with the great apostasy .(apostasy-to know the plain written truth as is recorded in the bible and knowingly turn away from it to follow another way) recently the pope has been quotes ..calling muslims his brothers ,stating that a personal relation with the lord Jesus is "dangerous " without rome's mediation"(absolutely ZERO bible initiative fo that lie ) and the huge push to glorify the goddess they renamed mary . And the advent of war looming on every front and God will judge .the earth quakes and groans as never before with earth quakes of higher magnitude now a weekly event .. the sun is flaring at us with waves of heat that cast storms on us of a size increasing in magnitude and with frequent .. droughts are striking .. winter storms becoming more ferocious .. and wickedness , sexual immorality ,theft, rebelliousness lawlessness hate envy and murder increasingly daily in every nation ...

Because the established church didn't have vast hoards of wealth in 2013, before the blood moon you mentioned. God it.

no to say these blood moons have not marked the turning of the clock in the time table foretold by God would be foolish to suggest .

What is stated without evidence can be fairly dismissed without evidence, so how do you address the exact opposite stance to your own? Do you have any evidence for why it's not foolish to say these blood moons marked anything of any significance?

the question remains.. are WE ready to lay down our lives for our lord and master the Lord JESUS as he did for us .are we living our lives with the lamps of our hearts filled with the oil of the Holy spirit ,trimmed and ready to go when the bridegroom appears ? because if not ..if the oil has run dry or you never had it to begin with ..
when he comes the DOOR WILL BE SHUT and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth ..
and all because some will not bow down and seek the lord God with a truthful and a whole heart and repent (STOP DOING) of their sin and allow the Holy Spirit to work in them a change to purify them. but they go on in their own willful way and in the error of cain they say .. but grace grace im ok i have my own merit , i can be forgiven so i continue in my lust for money and my lust filling my eyes with violence in movies and my looking at porn and my drunkenness and my coveting of everything worldly and whatever my flesh desires because there is grace they say .. but the grace of God brought you to repentance .. if you will not repent then you are not receiving his grace you are rejecting the grace he gave you to COME OUT form the world and be separate unto the most holy God who crated the heavens and the earth the one true living God .

None of this is remotely relevant to the issue of whether the blood moon marks anything of any significance.

 

[Alithis]

This is all well and good but could be lifted out of your post and used word-for-word to support my theory that if we reintroduce piracy to the high seas everything will improve, based on the observation that as piracy has reduced so the world has become more evil overall.

It uses lots of words but says precisely nothing about why, or even whether, any one specific event is relevant.

and that type of thinking and talk would edify my faith how ? i note you immediately solicited a "like ' from the resident atheist .
could you prhps tel me ,as im no mathematician, what the mathematical probabilities are of not one but four eclipses of the moon falling on four specific dates all which happen to be times of feasts set into motion by god as recorded n the bible some 4 thousand years ago ?

and it is written they are set there as signs .. so we know from this event that we are now at the end of the "times" of the end .. for any believer in the lord JESUS . that -is SIGNIFICANT enough .
get your heart right with the lord ,get your heart separated from worldliness ,seek the lord while he may be found .
And be found doing his will when he returns .

 

[tango]

and that type of thinking and talk would edify my faith how ? i note you immediately solicited a "like ' from the resident atheist .
could you prhps tel me ,as im no mathematician, what the mathematical probabilities are of not one but four eclipses of the moon falling on four specific dates all which happen to be times of feasts set into motion by god as recorded n the bible some 4 thousand years ago ?

and it is written they are set there as signs .. so we know from this event that we are now at the end of the "times" of the end .. for any believer in the lord JESUS . that -is SIGNIFICANT enough .
get your heart right with the lord ,get your heart separated from worldliness ,seek the lord while he may be found .
And be found doing his will when he returns .

Why should it be edifying to call you out on a quote that would apply just as well to a theory that even the author admits is bizarre as to the theory you are pushing? It just doesn't work to push lots of fine-sounding theology that's utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

I'm not much of a statistician either so I really couldn't comment on probability. Given the moon works on a fairly predictable cycle I suspect it's probably a lot higher than you might think. Either way you need to make a case for it being significant instead of just spouting lots of doom-and-gloom about how it's so unusual and it Must Mean Something. If you want to claim it means something, how about making a specific claim and backing it with some evidence? Otherwise we might as well claim it's such a Very Unusual Event that it must mean I'm going to win the lottery this week. That would be quite fitting, one unusual event being a sign for another, no? You know, Solomon had great riches and now the blood moons indicate I will have the same. It must be true, but if it would help I can quote a load of Bible verses that are nothing to do with the moon, with blood or with being wealthy.

There are all sorts of signs, I don't think anyone is disputing that. If you want to make a claim that the blood moon is a specific sign it would be nice to see some evidence to support the claim rather than just another load of "watch and be ready". If all you've got is a glorified version of "watch and be ready" then it applies just as well to my theory that The End is just around the corner based on the sign of seeing one Amish buggy pass another this afternoon.

Getting right with the Lord is good advice but nothing to do with blood moons at all. It's just more fine-sounding spiritual talk that doesn't promote either side of the discussion at hand. Getting right with the Lord is something we should be doing even if we could provide absolute, 100% assurance that The End in an eschatological sense wasn't going to happen for another 1000 years or more, simply because we don't know when The End in a very personal sense will come for us. Christ coming back may be tomorrow and it may be in 1000 years but even if I could prove with absolute certainty that Christ was coming back at 3pm EDT next Thursday I have no guarantee that I'll live long enough to see it.

 

[MarkFL]

...i note you immediately solicited a "like ' from the resident atheist...

I know I shouldn't be posting here, but when I am called out for liking a post, I feel this gives me reason to do so.

He has no control over which posts I "Like" and so you should not judge the content of his posts (or his character) based on my "heathen endorsement." I "Like" many of his posts because he gives sound reasoning for his statements. Whether I agree or not, I always appreciate statements backed by reason.

 

[MoreCoffee]

John Hagee's blood moon theories are piffle.

 

[Alithis]

Why should it be edifying to call you out on a quote that would apply just as well to a theory that even the author admits is bizarre as to the theory you are pushing? It just doesn't work to push lots of fine-sounding theology that's utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

I'm not much of a statistician either so I really couldn't comment on probability. Given the moon works on a fairly predictable cycle I suspect it's probably a lot higher than you might think. Either way you need to make a case for it being significant instead of just spouting lots of doom-and-gloom about how it's so unusual and it Must Mean Something. If you want to claim it means something, how about making a specific claim and backing it with some evidence? Otherwise we might as well claim it's such a Very Unusual Event that it must mean I'm going to win the lottery this week. That would be quite fitting, one unusual event being a sign for another, no? You know, Solomon had great riches and now the blood moons indicate I will have the same. It must be true, but if it would help I can quote a load of Bible verses that are nothing to do with the moon, with blood or with being wealthy.

There are all sorts of signs, I don't think anyone is disputing that. If you want to make a claim that the blood moon is a specific sign it would be nice to see some evidence to support the claim rather than just another load of "watch and be ready". If all you've got is a glorified version of "watch and be ready" then it applies just as well to my theory that The End is just around the corner based on the sign of seeing one Amish buggy pass another this afternoon.

Getting right with the Lord is good advice but nothing to do with blood moons at all. It's just more fine-sounding spiritual talk that doesn't promote either side of the discussion at hand. Getting right with the Lord is something we should be doing even if we could provide absolute, 100% assurance that The End in an eschatological sense wasn't going to happen for another 1000 years or more, simply because we don't know when The End in a very personal sense will come for us. Christ coming back may be tomorrow and it may be in 1000 years but even if I could prove with absolute certainty that Christ was coming back at 3pm EDT next Thursday I have no guarantee that I'll live long enough to see it.

Why should it be edifying... Ephesians 4:29- for one reason.

and the rest of what your saying is a reminder of these words -3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being............................. "

the event of these four eclipses are a sign of the time in which we live and it is no coincidence that they fall on the exact days of the feasts the lord who established the heavens also established Unless your suggesting the lord God made a mistake... but that would be unbelief
-and was 2014 more evil the 2013 ?..yes .,. day the day the world grows more wicked and will be as in the days of Noah .. i'm sorry you feel the bible is doom and gloom .because it is only that way to those who are perishing ,but to those who have the hope of eternal life in Christ Jesus we look for his coming in glory and there is no doom .for though we die , yet shall we live .

 

[Alithis]

I know I shouldn't be posting here, but when I am called out for liking a post, I feel this gives me reason to do so.

He has no control over which posts I "Like" and so you should not judge the content of his posts (or his character) based on my "heathen endorsement." I "Like" many of his posts because he gives sound reasoning for his statements. Whether I agree or not, I always appreciate statements backed by reason.

i have scriptural reason to do so , nothing to do with you so do not worry .

 

[MarkFL]

i have scriptural reason to do so , nothing to do with you so do not worry .

What, me worry?

My endorsement of a post does not change its validity...I merely showed my appreciation for a valid argument that elegantly showed the error of fallacious reasoning. You would do well to do the same, use reasoning, rather than pointing out irrelevant things like who liked what post, if you wish to argue your points.

 

[Alithis]

and fulfilled scripture ion doing so..

 

[tango]

Why should it be edifying... Ephesians 4:29- for one reason.

and the rest of what your saying is a reminder of these words -3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being............................. "

You're still not giving anything useful. Try actually supporting a specific argument instead of using a generic refutation to a generic scoffing.

Here's a simple example. If I show you the remains of a cat that got run over by a truck that's evidence that crossing the road without looking may not end well. If all I come up with is "heed my warning, young one" then you could quite reasonably say that I'm just blowing smoke. "Heed my warning, young one" could cover anything from warning you not to cross the road without looking to not walking under a ladder to not saluting whenever a magpie crossed your path to whatever else.

If you can't support a specific argument with specific reasoning it basically means you don't have an argument. It really is that simple.

the event of these four eclipses are a sign of the time in which we live and it is no coincidence that they fall on the exact days of the feasts the lord who established the heavens also established Unless your suggesting the lord God made a mistake...

Where did I ever say God made a mistake? Do you want to explain why you believe the blood moons are significant, or are you going to continue to spin round and round throwing out generic comments that aren't relevant to what you're trying to claim?

but that would be unbelief

Only a lack of belief in a case that shifts with the sands and appears to lack anything specific to back it. If all that backs it is "there are signs in the heavens" then chalk me up as an unbeliever. If you want to say something specific as to why these particular blood moons are relevant than please do. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is waiting.

-and was 2014 more evil the 2013 ?..yes .,. day the day the world grows more wicked and will be as in the days of Noah ..

More generic spinning here. Was 2013 more evil than 2012? Was 2012 more evil than 2011? Was 1989 more evil than 1988? Which of those years had the special blood moons?

i'm sorry you feel the bible is doom and gloom .

Do I? I don't recall saying such a thing. But hey, if you don't have any reasoning to support what you're saying you might as well take the next step and present my own arguments for me. Strawmen are so much easier to knock down than the actual argument being presented.

because it is only that way to those who are perishing ,but to those who have the hope of eternal life in Christ Jesus we look for his coming in glory and there is no doom .for though we die , yet shall we live .

How is this relevant to the blood moons?

 

[tango]

i have scriptural reason to do so , nothing to do with you so do not worry .

If you have Scriptural reasoning how about presenting it rather than endlessly quoting verses that have nothing to do with the topic at hand?

 

[psalms 91]

Alithis we need more people over here as I think they are ganging up on you, lets work on gettins some more that believe as we do or else just mark certain threads denom only maybe