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The elect are so by the fore-knowledge of God...

They are not so by His designation of privilege...

Rom 8:29-30
For whom He did foreknow,
He also did fore-ordain
to be conformed to the image of His Son,
that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Moreover whom He did foreordain,
them He also called:
and whom He called,
them He also justified:
and whom He justified,
them He also glorified.


The arbitrary unmerited pre-selection by God is not in evidence here...
But foreknowledge sure is...
The criteria of whom He Calls to Repentance...


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Only by foreknowledge? God cannot act until man acts first? How does a dead man act first?
 

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The elect are so by the fore-knowledge of God...

They are not so by His designation of privilege...
How in the world can that analysis be reconciled with Jesus' own words when he speaks of some (disciples) as having been GIVEN to him? To merely know in advance is not to give.
 

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The Five Points of the Remonstrants (Arminian theology). See if you agree. Many RCC, EOC, Lutheran and other denominations fit in Arminian theology because it is syncretist.
The Remonstrance sets forth the five positive articles as follows:

ARTICLE FIRST.

Conditional Predestination.—God has immutably decreed, from eternity, to save those men who, by the grace of the Holy Spirit, believe in Jesus Christ, and by the same grace persevere in the obedience of faith to the end; and, on the other hand, to condemn the unbelievers and unconverted (John iii. 36).

Election and condemnation are thus conditioned by foreknowledge, and made dependent on the foreseen faith or unbelief of men.

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SECOND ARTICLE.

Universal Atonement.—Christ, the Saviour of the world, died for all men and for every man, and his grace is extended to all. His atoning sacrifice is in and of itself sufficient for the redemption of the whole world, and is intended for all by God the Father. But its inherent sufficiency does not necessarily imply its actual efficiency. The grace of God may be resisted, and only those who accept it by faith are actually saved. He who is lost, is lost by his own guilt (John iii. 16;*1 John ii. 2).

The Arminians agree with the orthodox in holding the doctrine of a vicarious or expiatory atonement, in opposition to the Socinians; but they soften it down, and represent its direct effect to be to enable God, consistently with his justice and veracity, to enter into a new covenant with men, under which pardon is conveyed to all men on condition of repentance and faith. The immediate effect of Christ's death was not the salvation, but only the salvability of sinners by the removal of the legal obstacles, and opening the door for pardon and reconciliation. They reject the doctrine of a*limited*atonement, which is connected with the supralapsarian view of predestination, but is disowned by moderate Calvinists, who differ from the Arminians in all other points. Calvin himself says that Christ diedsufficienter pro omnibus, efficaciter pro electis.

THIRD ARTICLE.

Saving Faith.—Man in his fallen state is unable to accomplish any thing really and truly good, and therefore also unable to attain to saving faith, unless he be regenerated and renewed by God in Christ through the Holy Spirit (John xv. 5).

FOURTH ARTICLE.

Resistible Grace.—Grace is the beginning, continuation, and end of our spiritual life, so that man can neither think nor do any good or resist sin without prevening, co-operating, and assisting grace. But as for the manner of co-operation, this grace is not irresistible, for many resist the Holy Ghost (Acts vii.).

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FIFTH ARTICLE.

The Uncertainty of Perseverance.—Although grace is sufficient and abundant to preserve the faithful through all trials and temptations for life everlasting, it has not yet been proved from the Scriptures that grace, once given, can never be lost.

On this point the disciples of Arminius went further, and taught the possibility of a total and final fall of believers from grace. They appealed to such passages where believers are warned against this very danger, and to such examples as Solomon and Judas. They moreover denied, with the Roman Catholics, that any body can have a certainty of salvation except by special revelation.

These five points the Remonstrants declare to be in harmony with the Word of God, edifying and, as far as they go, sufficient for salvation. They protest against the charge of changing the Christian Reformed religion, and claim toleration and legal protection for their doctrine.

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds1.ix.iii.v.html
 

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The response of Calvinists at the Canons of Don't. See if you agree.
The Canons of Dort are likewise confined to five points or 'Heads of Doctrine,' and exhibit what is technically called the Calvinistic system—first positively, then negatively, in the rejection of the Arminian errors.992*Each Head of Doctrine (subdivided into Articles) is subscribed by the Dutch and foreign delegates.

FIRST HEAD OF DOCTRINE.

Of Divine Predestination.—Since all men sinned in Adam and lie under the curse [according to the Augustinian system held by all the Reformers], God would have done no injustice if he had left them to their merited punishment; but in his infinite mercy he provided a salvation through the gospel of Christ, that those who believe in him may not perish, but have eternal life. That some receive the gift of faith from God and others not, proceeds from God's eternal decree of election and reprobation.

520

Election is the unchangeable purpose of God whereby, before the foundation of the world, he has, out of mere grace, according to the sovereign good pleasure of his own will, chosen from the whole human race, which has fallen through their own fault from their primitive state of rectitude into sin and destruction, a certain number of persons to redemption in Christ, whom he from eternity appointed the Mediator and Head of the elect, and the foundation of salvation. These elect, though neither better nor more deserving than others, God has decreed to give to Christ to be saved by him, and bestow upon them true faith, conversion, justification and sanctification, perseverance to the end, and final glory (Eph. i. 4, 5, 6;*Rom. viii. 30).

Election is absolute and unconditional. It is not founded upon foreseen faith and holiness, as the prerequisite condition on which it depended; on the contrary, it is the fountain of faith, holiness, and eternal life itself. God has chosen us, not*because*we are holy, but to the*end*that we should be holy (Eph. i. 4;*Rom. ix. 11–13;*Acts xiii. 38). As God is unchangeable, so his election is unchangeable, and the elect can neither be cast away nor their number be diminished. The sense and certainty of election is a constant stimulus to humility and gratitude.

The non-elect are simply left to the just condemnation of their own sins. This is the decree of reprobation, which by no means makes God the author of sin (the very thought of which is blasphemy), but declares him to be an awful, irreprehensible, and righteous judge and avenger (Cat.*Ch. I. Art. 15).

SECOND HEAD OF DOCTRINE.

Of the Death of Christ.*[Limited Atonement.]—According to the sovereign counsel of God, the saving efficacy of the atoning death of Christ extends to all the elect [and to them only], so as to bring them infallibly to salvation. But, intrinsically, the sacrifice and satisfaction of Christ is of infinite worth and value, abundantly sufficient to expiate the sins of the whole world. This death derives its infinite value and dignity from these considerations; because the person who submitted to it was not only really man and perfectly holy, but also the only-begotten Son of God, of the same eternal and infinite essence with the Father and Holy Spirit, which qualifications were necessary*521to constitute him a Saviour for us; and because it was attended with a sense of the wrath and curse of God due to us for sin.

Moreover the promise of the gospel is, that whosoever believeth in Christ crucified shall not perish, but have everlasting life. This promise, together with the command to repent and believe, ought to be declared and published to all nations, and to all persons promiscuously and without distinction, to whom God out of his good pleasure sends the gospel.

And, whereas many who are called by the gospel do not repent nor believe in Christ, but perish in unbelief; this is not owing to any defect or insufficiency in the sacrifice offered by Christ upon the cross, but is wholly to be imputed to themselves.993

THIRD AND FOURTH HEADS OF DOCTRINE.

Of the Corruption of Man, his Conversion to God, and the Manner thereof.—Man was originally formed after the image of God. His understanding was adorned with a true and saving knowledge of his Creator, and of spiritual things; his heart and will were upright, all his affections pure, and the whole Man was holy; but revolting from God by the instigation of the devil, and abusing the freedom of his own will, he forfeited these excellent gifts, and on the contrary entailed*522on himself blindness of mind, horrible darkness, vanity, and perverseness of judgment; became wicked, rebellious, and obdurate in heart and will, and impure in [all] his affections.

Man after the fall begat children in his own likeness. A corrupt stock produced a corrupt offspring. Hence all the posterity of Adam, Christ only excepted, have derived corruption from their original parent, not by imitation, as the Pelagians of old asserted, but by the propagation of a vicious nature in consequence of a just judgment of God.

Therefore all men are conceived in sin, and are by nature children of wrath, incapable of any saving good, prone to evil, dead in sin, and in bondage thereto; and, without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit, they are neither able nor willing to return to God, to reform the depravity of their nature, nor to dispose themselves to reformation.

What, therefore, neither the light of nature nor the law could do, that God performs by the operation of his Holy Spirit through the word or ministry of reconciliation: which is the glad tidings concerning the Messiah, by means whereof it hath pleased God to save such as believe, as well under the Old as under the New Testament.

As many as are called by the gospel are unfeignedly called; for God hath most earnestly and truly declared in his Word what will be acceptable to him, namely, that all who are called should comply with the invitation. He, moreover, seriously promises eternal life and rest to as many as shall come to him, and believe on him.

It is not the fault of the gospel, nor of Christ offered therein, nor of God, who calls men by the gospel, and confers upon them various gifts, that those who are called by the ministry of the Word refuse to come and be converted. The fault lies in themselves.

But that others who are called by the gospel obey the call must be wholly ascribed to God, who, as he hath chosen his own from eternity in Christ, so he calls them effectually in time, confers upon them faith and repentance, rescues them from the power of darkness, and translates them into the kingdom of his own Son, that they may show forth the praises of him who hath called them out of darkness into his marvelous light; and may glory not in themselves but in the Lord, according to the testimony of the Apostles in various places.

Faith is therefore the gift of God, not on account of its being offered by God to man, to be accepted or rejected at his pleasure, but because*523it is in reality conferred, breathed, and infused into him; nor even because God bestows the power or ability to believe, and then expects that man should, by the exercise of his own free will, consent to the terms of salvation, and actually believe in Christ; but because he who works in man both to will and to do, and indeed all things in all, produces both the will to believe and the act of believing also.

FIFTH HEAD OF DOCRINE.

Of the Perseverance of the Saints.—Whom God calls, according to his purpose, to the communion of his Son our Lord Jesus Christ, and regenerates by the Holy Spirit, he delivers also from the dominion and slavery of sin in this life; though not altogether from the body of sin and from the infirmities of the flesh, so long as they continue in this world.

By reason of these remains of indwelling sin, and the temptations of sin and of the world, those who are converted could not persevere in a state of grace if left to their own strength. But God is faithful, who having conferred grace, mercifully confirms and powerfully preserves them therein, even to the end.

Of this preservation of the elect to salvation, and of their perseverance in the faith, true believers for themselves may and do obtain assurance according to the measure of their faith, whereby they arrive at the certain persuasion that they ever will continue true and living members of the Church; and that they experience forgiveness of sins, and will at last inherit eternal life.

This certainty of perseverance, however, is so far from exciting in believers a spirit of pride, or of rendering them carnally secure, that, on the contrary, it is the real source of humility, filial reverence, true piety, patience in every tribulation, fervent prayers, constancy in suffering and in confessing the truth, and of solid rejoicing in God; so that the consideration of this benefit should serve as an incentive to the serious and constant practice of gratitude and good works, as appears from the testimonies of Scripture and the examples of the saints.

In opposition to the Canons of Dort, Episcopius prepared a lengthy defense of the Arminian Articles and a confession of faith in Dutch, 1621, and in Latin, 1622. It claims no binding symbolical authority, and advocates liberty and toleration.994

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds1.ix.iii.vi.html
 

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It's obvious from the two articles above that MC, Arsenios and Josiah are mostly Arminian in their theology.
 

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You didn't actually address the universalism taught by MC.

Nor will I...

The Salvation of demons is above my pay grade...

So is the Salvation of your soul...


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Only by foreknowledge? God cannot act until man acts first? How does a dead man act first?

I do not presume to explain the Foreknowledge of God as you just did here...

"My thoughts are not your thoughts..."

God's very words...


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How in the world can that analysis be reconciled with Jesus' own words
when he speaks of some (disciples) as having been GIVEN to him?
To merely know in advance is not to give.

They are given on the basis of His foreknowledge...

Romans cannot be more clear:

Rom 8:29
For whom He did foreknow,
He also did foreordain
(predestinate)
to be conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also justified:
and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


Do you have an alternative reading for 29a-b?

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The response of Calvinists at the Canons of Don't. See if you agree.
The Canons of Dort are likewise confined to five points or 'Heads of Doctrine,' and exhibit what is technically called the Calvinistic system—first positively, then negatively, in the rejection of the Arminian errors.992*Each Head of Doctrine (subdivided into Articles) is subscribed by the Dutch and foreign delegates.

FIRST HEAD OF DOCTRINE.

Of Divine Predestination.—Since all men sinned in Adam and lie under the curse [according to the Augustinian system held by all the Reformers], God would have done no injustice if he had left them to their merited punishment; but in his infinite mercy he provided a salvation through the gospel of Christ, that those who believe in him may not perish, but have eternal life. That some receive the gift of faith from God and others not, proceeds from God's eternal decree of election and reprobation.

520

Election is the unchangeable purpose of God whereby, before the foundation of the world, he has, out of mere grace, according to the sovereign good pleasure of his own will, chosen from the whole human race, which has fallen through their own fault from their primitive state of rectitude into sin and destruction, a certain number of persons to redemption in Christ, whom he from eternity appointed the Mediator and Head of the elect, and the foundation of salvation. These elect, though neither better nor more deserving than others, God has decreed to give to Christ to be saved by him, and bestow upon them true faith, conversion, justification and sanctification, perseverance to the end, and final glory (Eph. i. 4, 5, 6;*Rom. viii. 30).

Election is absolute and unconditional. It is not founded upon foreseen faith and holiness, as the prerequisite condition on which it depended; on the contrary, it is the fountain of faith, holiness, and eternal life itself. God has chosen us, not*because*we are holy, but to the*end*that we should be holy (Eph. i. 4;*Rom. ix. 11–13;*Acts xiii. 38). As God is unchangeable, so his election is unchangeable, and the elect can neither be cast away nor their number be diminished. The sense and certainty of election is a constant stimulus to humility and gratitude.

The non-elect are simply left to the just condemnation of their own sins. This is the decree of reprobation, which by no means makes God the author of sin (the very thought of which is blasphemy), but declares him to be an awful, irreprehensible, and righteous judge and avenger (Cat.*Ch. I. Art. 15).

SECOND HEAD OF DOCTRINE.

Of the Death of Christ.*[Limited Atonement.]—According to the sovereign counsel of God, the saving efficacy of the atoning death of Christ extends to all the elect [and to them only], so as to bring them infallibly to salvation. But, intrinsically, the sacrifice and satisfaction of Christ is of infinite worth and value, abundantly sufficient to expiate the sins of the whole world. This death derives its infinite value and dignity from these considerations; because the person who submitted to it was not only really man and perfectly holy, but also the only-begotten Son of God, of the same eternal and infinite essence with the Father and Holy Spirit, which qualifications were necessary*521to constitute him a Saviour for us; and because it was attended with a sense of the wrath and curse of God due to us for sin.

Moreover the promise of the gospel is, that whosoever believeth in Christ crucified shall not perish, but have everlasting life. This promise, together with the command to repent and believe, ought to be declared and published to all nations, and to all persons promiscuously and without distinction, to whom God out of his good pleasure sends the gospel.

And, whereas many who are called by the gospel do not repent nor believe in Christ, but perish in unbelief; this is not owing to any defect or insufficiency in the sacrifice offered by Christ upon the cross, but is wholly to be imputed to themselves.993

THIRD AND FOURTH HEADS OF DOCTRINE.

Of the Corruption of Man, his Conversion to God, and the Manner thereof.—Man was originally formed after the image of God. His understanding was adorned with a true and saving knowledge of his Creator, and of spiritual things; his heart and will were upright, all his affections pure, and the whole Man was holy; but revolting from God by the instigation of the devil, and abusing the freedom of his own will, he forfeited these excellent gifts, and on the contrary entailed*522on himself blindness of mind, horrible darkness, vanity, and perverseness of judgment; became wicked, rebellious, and obdurate in heart and will, and impure in [all] his affections.

Man after the fall begat children in his own likeness. A corrupt stock produced a corrupt offspring. Hence all the posterity of Adam, Christ only excepted, have derived corruption from their original parent, not by imitation, as the Pelagians of old asserted, but by the propagation of a vicious nature in consequence of a just judgment of God.

Therefore all men are conceived in sin, and are by nature children of wrath, incapable of any saving good, prone to evil, dead in sin, and in bondage thereto; and, without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit, they are neither able nor willing to return to God, to reform the depravity of their nature, nor to dispose themselves to reformation.

What, therefore, neither the light of nature nor the law could do, that God performs by the operation of his Holy Spirit through the word or ministry of reconciliation: which is the glad tidings concerning the Messiah, by means whereof it hath pleased God to save such as believe, as well under the Old as under the New Testament.

As many as are called by the gospel are unfeignedly called; for God hath most earnestly and truly declared in his Word what will be acceptable to him, namely, that all who are called should comply with the invitation. He, moreover, seriously promises eternal life and rest to as many as shall come to him, and believe on him.

It is not the fault of the gospel, nor of Christ offered therein, nor of God, who calls men by the gospel, and confers upon them various gifts, that those who are called by the ministry of the Word refuse to come and be converted. The fault lies in themselves.

But that others who are called by the gospel obey the call must be wholly ascribed to God, who, as he hath chosen his own from eternity in Christ, so he calls them effectually in time, confers upon them faith and repentance, rescues them from the power of darkness, and translates them into the kingdom of his own Son, that they may show forth the praises of him who hath called them out of darkness into his marvelous light; and may glory not in themselves but in the Lord, according to the testimony of the Apostles in various places.

Faith is therefore the gift of God, not on account of its being offered by God to man, to be accepted or rejected at his pleasure, but because*523it is in reality conferred, breathed, and infused into him; nor even because God bestows the power or ability to believe, and then expects that man should, by the exercise of his own free will, consent to the terms of salvation, and actually believe in Christ; but because he who works in man both to will and to do, and indeed all things in all, produces both the will to believe and the act of believing also.

FIFTH HEAD OF DOCRINE.

Of the Perseverance of the Saints.—Whom God calls, according to his purpose, to the communion of his Son our Lord Jesus Christ, and regenerates by the Holy Spirit, he delivers also from the dominion and slavery of sin in this life; though not altogether from the body of sin and from the infirmities of the flesh, so long as they continue in this world.

By reason of these remains of indwelling sin, and the temptations of sin and of the world, those who are converted could not persevere in a state of grace if left to their own strength. But God is faithful, who having conferred grace, mercifully confirms and powerfully preserves them therein, even to the end.

Of this preservation of the elect to salvation, and of their perseverance in the faith, true believers for themselves may and do obtain assurance according to the measure of their faith, whereby they arrive at the certain persuasion that they ever will continue true and living members of the Church; and that they experience forgiveness of sins, and will at last inherit eternal life.

This certainty of perseverance, however, is so far from exciting in believers a spirit of pride, or of rendering them carnally secure, that, on the contrary, it is the real source of humility, filial reverence, true piety, patience in every tribulation, fervent prayers, constancy in suffering and in confessing the truth, and of solid rejoicing in God; so that the consideration of this benefit should serve as an incentive to the serious and constant practice of gratitude and good works, as appears from the testimonies of Scripture and the examples of the saints.

In opposition to the Canons of Dort, Episcopius prepared a lengthy defense of the Arminian Articles and a confession of faith in Dutch, 1621, and in Latin, 1622. It claims no binding symbolical authority, and advocates liberty and toleration.994

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds1.ix.iii.vi.html

The problem is that Calvin begins with the legalistic notion of Crime and Punishment,
where God condemns all in His Righteous Indignation
but dips out a few keepers for Himself
based on nothing anyone can do as fallen now...

Orthodoxy begins with the Love of God and His sending of His Son to restore fallen man to Life in Christ...

Not forcing His Restoration but Giving it freely...


Arsenios
 

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I do not presume to explain the Foreknowledge of God as you just did here...

"My thoughts are not your thoughts..."

God's very words...


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Cop out because your presupposition is wrong.
 

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The problem is that Calvin begins with the legalistic notion of Crime and Punishment,
where God condemns all in His Righteous Indignation
but dips out a few keepers for Himself
based on nothing anyone can do as fallen now...

Orthodoxy begins with the Love of God and His sending of His Son to restore fallen man to Life in Christ...

Not forcing His Restoration but Giving it freely...


Arsenios

In Orthodoxy, God is a passive deity who does nothing until humans do something. Salvation relies ultimately upon man.
 

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In Orthodoxy, God is a passive deity who does nothing until humans do something. Salvation relies ultimately upon man.

Well, yes, we do teach that you can ask and receive, seek and find, and beckon that it come unto you, all from God...

And we teach also that God is alive in His Saints and speaks in them, which is how the Bible was written...

"Passive" is hardly the right term for God, however...
But in this fallen life, we can choose good and/or evil, and we do so...
And God is active in searching our hearts...


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Well, yes, we do teach that you can ask and receive, seek and find, and beckon that it come unto you, all from God...

And we teach also that God is alive in His Saints and speaks in them, which is how the Bible was written...

"Passive" is hardly the right term for God, however...
But in this fallen life, we can choose good and/or evil, and we do so...
And God is active in searching our hearts...


Arsenios

So in your thoughts, God must wait for you to reach a certain state of mind (heart) and upon seeing it, then he has the chance to act. Before that...God must apparently wait and not intercede on the will of men.
 

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So in your thoughts, God must wait for you to reach a certain state of mind (heart) and upon seeing it, then he has the chance to act. Before that...God must apparently wait and not intercede on the will of men.

There is a time for every season... So we live our lives - And they are OUR lives, and God arranges for us to have one crisis after the next, until we die... All in the hopes that we will turn from our life headed into death, and call upon Him in our despair... When we do, He will come to us... And until we do, he normally does not...

From the Pacific Ocean in WWII - A man afloat after his ship was sunk, for many days in the water, sharks taking down one sailor after another, and he prayed, who had not prayed before, and promised his life to God if he lived - As a shark took him, and suddenly released him and took the sailor next to him... And he lived... And was a POW in Japan... They made a movie about him lately... And he got back and forgot his promise to God... And became an alcoholic through endless more crises one after another... Until he finally remembered his promise to God, and became a pastor and served the Lord...

So God is active all the way through, giving every incentive -

But it is YOU who have to TURN to Him...

Or you will not find Life in Him...


Arsenios
 

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No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men: neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief

Is this statement true [MENTION=394]MennoSota[/MENTION] ?
 
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There is a time for every season... So we live our lives - And they are OUR lives, and God arranges for us to have one crisis after the next, until we die... All in the hopes that we will turn from our life headed into death, and call upon Him in our despair... When we do, He will come to us... And until we do, he normally does not...

From the Pacific Ocean in WWII - A man afloat after his ship was sunk, for many days in the water, sharks taking down one sailor after another, and he prayed, who had not prayed before, and promised his life to God if he lived - As a shark took him, and suddenly released him and took the sailor next to him... And he lived... And was a POW in Japan... They made a movie about him lately... And he got back and forgot his promise to God... And became an alcoholic through endless more crises one after another... Until he finally remembered his promise to God, and became a pastor and served the Lord...

So God is active all the way through, giving every incentive -

But it is YOU who have to TURN to Him...

Or you will not find Life in Him...


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So human will is greater than God's will in salvation.
Seems like 2 Peter 3:9 is just a wish from God that doesn't come true and not a will.
 

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No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men: neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief

Is this statement true [MENTION=394]MennoSota[/MENTION] ?

No, it is not true.
It essentially says that God atones for all sins...except the sin of unbelief. In that sentence God's atonement is merely potential not effectual.
It is better to say:
No man will call upon God (Romans 3) unless the God of salvation chooses to save that man (John 6): our rebellious nature keepeth us from entering in, because man loves darkness rather than light. (John 3)
 

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No, it is not true.
It essentially says that God atones for all sins...except the sin of unbelief. In that sentence God's atonement is merely potential not effectual.
It is better to say:
No man will call upon God (Romans 3) unless the God of salvation chooses to save that man (John 6): our rebellious nature keepeth us from entering in, because man loves darkness rather than light. (John 3)
So you disagree with John Calvin.
 
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