The Gospel being modernized

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Here is the description of the Cotton Patch Gospel from Amazon.

"The Cotton Patch Gospel, by Koinonia Farm founder Clarence Jordan, recasts the stories of Jesus and the letters of the New Testament into the language and culture of the mid-twentieth-century South. Born out of the civil rights struggle, these now-classic translations of much of the New Testament bring the far-away places of Scripture closer to home: Gainesville, Selma, Birmingham, Atlanta, Washington D.C. As Jordan once wrote, “While there have been many excellent translations of the Scriptures into modern English, they still have left us stranded in some faraway land in the long-distant past. We need to have the good news come to us not only in our own tongue but in our own time. We want to be participants in the faith, not merely *spectators.” More than a translation,*The Cotton Patch Gospel*continues to make clear the startling relevance of Scripture for today. Now for the first time collected in a single, hardcover volume, this edition comes complete with a new Introduction by President Jimmy Carter, a Foreword by Will D. Campbell, and an Afterword by Tony Campolo. Smyth & Helwys Publishing is proud to help reintroduce these seminal works of Clarence Jordan to a new generation of believers.

About the Author

Born in 1912 in Talbotton, Georgia, Clarence Jordan, a New Testament Greek scholar, was the founder of Koinonia Farm, an interracial, Christian farming community near Americus, Georgia. During the civil rights era, Jordan and Koinonia Farm believed that the best way to effect change in society was by living in peaceful community with one another. Through the work of Millard and Linda Fuller, residents of Koinonia Farm, Jordan also influenced the creation of Habitat for Humanity, an organization dedicated to building simple, affordable housing around the world for those in need. In the 1960s, Jordan also turned his attention toward writing the Cotton Patch Gospels, a series of colloquial translations and retellings of much of the New Testament story in modern, relatable terms. More than a decade later, these writings provided the inspiration for the*Cotton Patch Gospel, a musical by Tom Key and Russell Treyz with music and lyrics by Harry Chapin, that is a mainstay in community theatres across the country. Clarence Jordan died suddenly of a heart attack in 1969. But as a neighbor reflected long after Clarence’s death, “He be gone now, but his footprint is still here.” Koinonia Farm lives on. The work of Millard and Linda Fuller lives on. And*Cotton Patch Gospellives on."
 

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Oh, and don't get me started on Veggie Tales.
 

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At a group I attended the past week, I can't remember the exact words but I can recall where it talked about having to modernize the Gospel. I do believe it was in reference to how it's presented in the style of worship, but it makes me wonder why people need to do that, but they say it is to get people who might lose interest with the old way see the new style of it.

I guess it would depend on the overall intent.

If the idea is to "move with the times" and "maintain relevance" (whatever that means today) then it's likely to be a problem simply because it means changing the fundamental message of Scripture.

On the other hand if it's adapting the language to make it more understandable in today's culture but without changing the underlying meaning of it, that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The example I'd think of is slavery. Scripture talks of masters and slaves in a number of areas. In our culture when we think of a slave we probably think of a black person (usually but not necessarily a man), treated as lower in the pecking order than the household pets and routinely chained up for the night lest he try to escape. In the culture at the time Scripture was written a slave was something different, so references to masters and slaves don't necessarily sit very well with modern thoughts on slavery.
 

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Oh, and don't get me started on Veggie Tales.

Have you seen “What’s in the Bible? with Buck Denver.” from Phil Vischer (creator of Veggie Tales)?

“Oh, the story of the great I AM,
It shouldn’t be such a mystery.
From Jesus Christ to Billy Graham,
A Pirate’s Guide to Church History.”

(I love that song.)
 
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Have you seen “What’s in the Bible? with Buck Denver.” from Phil Vischer (creator of Veggie Tales)?

“Oh, the story of the great I AM,
It shouldn’t be such a mystery.
From Jesus Christ to Billy Graham,
A Pirate’s Guide to Church History.”

(I love that song.)

I can hear a little ditty in my head without even listening to it :D
 

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The more I see of a "modernized gospel" the less I see of the proclamation of forgiveness of sins won at the cross :(
 

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The more I see of a "modernized gospel" the less I see of the proclamation of forgiveness of sins won at the cross :(
Don't worry Gods word is forever even in the passing of Earth and Heaven... that's a promise :)

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Don't worry Gods word is forever even in the passing of Earth and Heaven... that's a promise :)

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Yes and I believe at the end of Revelation it warns of adding to or subtracting from Gods Word
 

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Yes and I believe at the end of Revelation it warns of adding to or subtracting from Gods Word
The letters in revelation have already been duplicated to the ends of the earth, as well as the entire word itself so the only culprits thus far would be the Quran and the Book of Mormon albeit entirely different religions far from Christianity.
To add on or take away would mean to transform every bible on earth of its words, denominations may emphasise on certain ideas but some cults have successfully brainwashed their victims into certain destruction. Yet the word itself is alive and well we Christians are strong unto death! In the past we have been killed in martyrdom for our faith, nothing has changed, they would have to murder every Christian on earth to ever get the chance but our faith is strong.. Christians in the east are murdered daily still to this day and we are darn lucky to able to walk to our churches without harm, but please hear that the word is everlasting and that being a Christian -death will never overtake us and God will never forsake us.

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How did the Quran change the Gospel message?

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The letters in revelation have already been duplicated to the ends of the earth, as well as the entire word itself so the only culprits thus far would be the Quran and the Book of Mormon albeit entirely different religions far from Christianity.
To add on or take away would mean to transform every bible on earth of its words, denominations may emphasise on certain ideas but some cults have successfully brainwashed their victims into certain destruction. Yet the word itself is alive and well we Christians are strong unto death! In the past we have been killed in martyrdom for our faith, nothing has changed, they would have to murder every Christian on earth to ever get the chance but our faith is strong.. Christians in the east are murdered daily still to this day and we are darn lucky to able to walk to our churches without harm, but please hear that the word is everlasting and that being a Christian -death will never overtake us and God will never forsake us.

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How did the Quran change the Gospel message?

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Nothing to do with how it changed the message but it is clearly an add on or "further revelation" if you will -to the Old and New Testament gospels.
Again I categorize islam under a different religion apart from Christianity so it is irrelevant to the letter.
No need for a debate in other words

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When a soloist sings "Blessings" by Laura Storey,
I begin to wonder about the theology of the church as well.

So I found and listened to it...
God had a huge hand in its composition...
It is thoroughly Orthodox...

I was shocked...

Healing comes through tears...
Trials are Mercies in disguise...
When darkness wins we learn this world is not our home...

I mean, it is not Orthodox Liturgical music...
But its words and beauty are breath-taking...
Theology, it is important to remember...

Is PRACTICAL...
So is this music...

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There have been several attempts to
contextualize the Gospel
for a specific demographic
.

I rememeber the "Biker's Bible"... Gen 1:1
"So like, in the really really long ago Beginning, man... The Big Man Upstairs started the whole thing, you dig? And this is how it all went down..."

So there are some limits... :)

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At a group I attended the past week, I can't remember the exact words but I can recall where it talked about having to modernize the Gospel. I do believe it was in reference to how it's presented in the style of worship, but it makes me wonder why people need to do that, but they say it is to get people who might lose interest with the old way see the new style of it.

A lot would depend on whether "modernize" means changing phrases like "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof" into something a little less incomprehensible, or changing the actual message to something more palatable to the modern day consumer.
 

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How did the Quran change the Gospel message?

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peace

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The Quran speaks no gospel at all. It is a message born of human works apart from God.
 

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Two thoughts can be floated.

1. The "contextualization"or “modernization” of the Gospel to make it more “relevant” could have more to do with organisation building than the “saving of souls”. Those who have been truly touched by God could well have higher motives than finding a “contextualized” worship style to immerse themselves in.

2. I would be interested to know how many churches (denominations) that promote the teaching that the “saved” have been preselected by God and will therefore be saved no matter what, indulge in (what by their own definition is) unnecessary "contextualization"or “modernization”.


I’ll get back in my box, now.
 

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Two thoughts can be floated.

1. The "contextualization"or “modernization” of the Gospel to make it more “relevant” could have more to do with organisation building than the “saving of souls”. Those who have been truly touched by God could well have higher motives than finding a “contextualized” worship style to immerse themselves in.

2. I would be interested to know how many churches (denominations) that promote the teaching that the “saved” have been preselected by God and will therefore be saved no matter what, indulge in (what by their own definition is) unnecessary "contextualization"or “modernization”.


I’ll get back in my box, now.

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2. I would be interested to know how many churches (denominations) that promote the teaching that the “saved” have been preselected by God and will therefore be saved no matter what, indulge in (what by their own definition is) unnecessary "contextualization"or “modernization”.

It's very possible that those who trust that God saves them because He elected them that He will play a huge part in their lives so they do not stray? But just like the Israelites it's also possible that He keeps drawing them back in when they do.
 

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When I hear something like that I think either they are saying they want to water it down or take out the harder things abou God's judgement and hell, so that people will accept it.
Either way it is a compromise that changes the mesage

I agree. If we have to make Christianity palatable to skeptics, they are not serious about their interest. We might put the Gospel message in simpler, pop language when explaining it to a newcomer, but it is a mistake to change the Gospel for their benefit, let alone have the church itself agree to do it (if that was the idea)!
 
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