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At a group I attended the past week, I can't remember the exact words but I can recall where it talked about having to modernize the Gospel. I do believe it was in reference to how it's presented in the style of worship, but it makes me wonder why people need to do that, but they say it is to get people who might lose interest with the old way see the new style of it.
 

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Is the gospel changing message to those people who seek to "modernize" it?

There is one GOD and one Gospel I thought. How do you modernize that?

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When I hear something like that I think either they are saying they want to water it down or take out the harder things abou God's judgement and hell, so that people will accept it.
Either way it is a compromise that changes the mesage
 

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At a group I attended the past week, I can't remember the exact words but I can recall where it talked about having to modernize the Gospel. I do believe it was in reference to how it's presented in the style of worship, but it makes me wonder why people need to do that, but they say it is to get people who might lose interest with the old way see the new style of it.


We live in a post-modern world were egoism and individualism are extreme.


Many today reject the whole idea of sin ("I'm okay, You're okay - just misunderstood at times"). And even if there is SOME concept that we and our world are not all God (or we) intend, there's no sense of needing to be SAVED. Just helped. A little help from a friend. Thus the "New Gospel" is actually just a rejection of the Gospel. The "New Gospel" is that God helps those who help themselves. Jesus is NOT in any sense the Savior but a divine helper, who (Like Mr. Rodgers) considers us His neighbor and likes to be a helpful one. This, of course, is the essence of modern Judaism and Islam (as well as some forms of Bahkti Hinduism) and contradicts the central point of Chrsitianity.

The "New Gospel" unfortunately has been embraced by a lot of Christians - who (unfortunately) don't realize it's actually the exact opposite of the Gospel and destroys Christianity.
 

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At a group I attended the past week, I can't remember the exact words but I can recall where it talked about having to modernize the Gospel. I do believe it was in reference to how it's presented in the style of worship, but it makes me wonder why people need to do that, but they say it is to get people who might lose interest with the old way see the new style of it.
I don't think "modernize" would be the most appropriate word because it implies that it is outdated. "Contextualized" would be more appropriate. If the intent is to simply share the narrative of the Gospel, it is perfectly acceptable in my opinion to tell the story in a way that the audience can relate. The Message is one such example of a Bible translation that seeks contextualization over word for word translation. This is because the purpose of the Message is simply to share "the message" and not for bible study.
 

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The Apostle Paul said this to the Corinthians:
[19]Even though I am a free man with no master, I have become a slave to all people to bring many to Christ.
[20]When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law.
[21]When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ.
[22]When I am with those who are weak, I share their weakness, for I want to bring the weak to Christ. Yes, I try to find common ground with everyone, doing everything I can to save some.
[23]I do everything to spread the Good News and share in its blessings.
~ 1 Corinthians 9:19-23
 

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Music can change, traditions may change, the world may change but the word will never change.
Are they talking about sustaining a modern approach?
The word is enough and the bible is full of information where all sermons are based on, its living water and food for our souls. You can concord anything in this life to the word, it never runs dry.
Its silly to think that the word needs a modern update, a new translation? Additions? I dont understand.


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Its silly to think that the word needs a modern update, a new translation? Additions? I dont understand.

Ever try teaching a 6 year old boy scripture from a 1611 KJV? To them, it's like reading Chinese.
 

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Ever try teaching a 6 year old boy scripture from a 1611 KJV? To them, it's like reading Chinese.
Well I can see that human speech changes, we have plenty of translations, I just dont get the concept of modernising other than keeping up with language.

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Well I can see that human speech changes, we have plenty of translations, I just dont get the concept of modernising other than keeping up with language.

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There have been several attempts to contextualize the gospel for a specific demographic. All with the same goal. To share the narrative of the Gospel. Let's say for example a 10 year old rural black child in Athens Georgia asked you to explain the Gospel, how would you communicate the overall story in a way that would make sense to him?
 

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To me it honestly sounds like you need to have a modern worship style to get people into the pews, and then pretty much saying that Jesus is your friend and that He's got your back and you don't have to worry about anything which just sounds so millennial.
 

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To me it honestly sounds like you need to have a modern worship style to get people into the pews, and then pretty much saying that Jesus is your friend and that He's got your back and you don't have to worry about anything which just sounds so millennial.


George, who is "you" in your post?
 

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Music can change, traditions may change, the world may change but the word will never change.
Are they talking about sustaining a modern approach?
The word is enough and the bible is full of information where all sermons are based on, its living water and food for our souls. You can concord anything in this life to the word, it never runs dry.
Its silly to think that the word needs a modern update, a new translation? Additions? I dont understand.


IMO, most churches and parishes can get LOCKED into customs - that CAN be an unnecessary hinderance to evangelism.....



A Case Study: The denomination of my parish (The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod) was begun by a group of a few hundred people from Germany in the 1830. The Government set up one Protestant state church and it was extremely liberal. These very conservative Lutherans couldn't live with that, and so they decided to move - en messe - to the USA and participate in what then was called "homestead colonies" where hundreds would homestead next to each other in one large area. Three boats left Germany and landed in Perry County Missouri (thus the "Missouri" part of the name). They were GERMANS and they spoke GERMAN and the whole area of Perry County was GERMAN in culture, language, education - and religion. But now they were in the USA and with a keen sense of the Great Commission. Problem was: they couldn't separate their Christianity from their being German. They only reached out to German immigrants (which, fortunately there were LOTS) because all their books, all their hymnals, etc were in German - and they worshipped in German; sometimes the pastors couldn't even speak English! The name of the denomination was Der Deusche Evangelishe Kirsche von Missouri, Ohio und Anderan Staten. Yes, the denomination grew rapidly - as long as there were GERMANS to reach. But by the late 1800's, German immigration declined.... and second generation Germans now spoke English and thought of themselves primarily as Americans. Oddly, the denomination had full districts in Canada, Brazil, Argentina because there were GERMANS there, but the English speaking members in the USA were technically in Mission Churches (called "The English Synod") And the denomination stopped growing.... A horrible tragedy AWOKE the denomination. It was World War I - and a profound HATED of Germans in the USA. LCMS parishes were fire bomed. So, parishes QUICKLY started worshiping in English! Placed American flags in the church. Changed the name to "The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod" and translated the hymnal into English!!!! All to evade the persecution of Germans. Funny thing..... the theology didn't change AT ALL but the cultural aspect was largely abandoned..... and evangelism and outreach soared, and the denomination grew rapidly. NO CHANGE in the theology, the message..... just in the language used, and in seeing itself as in America rather than of Germany. Soon, they even began to reach out to African Americans (by far the most are LCMS rather than ELCA), etc. The Brazilian, Canadian, Argentinian churches were spun off as their own denomination, and the "English Synod" fully embraced.


A Case Study: When I was probably 20 or 21, I met a fellow student who is very GREEK - and of course Greek Orthodox. Because of my uber-obsession with theology, and because I knew NOTHING about the Orthodox churches, we chatted. The early chats were over coffee, but this continued for years via email. Of course, she invited me to her church. And frankly, I wish now I had taken her up on that, but I did not. I had ONE (and only one) reason: Greek. Everything is in Greek. How could I contribute or pariticpate in the worship? I know like 5 words in Greek. And she made it clear, the GREEK Orthodox Church is for GREEKS. The largest class in the parish is GREEK class. She told me there were like 5 non Greeks in the church but they were married to Greeks. Well..... I'm Danish. So, I didn't accept her invite. Now, I'm a Christian so no loss to the Kingdom in my case - but what if I was not a Christian? Ah, the same thing as in my denomination prior to WW I .... A Dane would be just as lost in the German Lutheran Chruch.


In neither case did this WALL have anything to do with theology or the message.... I think we ALL tend to create walls, many of which we like but don't realize they are walls to the lost.... The challenge is to not throw the baby out with the bathwater... I think the ministry of Paul in the Book of Acts is largely that story....
 

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There have been several attempts to contextualize the gospel for a specific demographic. All with the same goal. To share the narrative of the Gospel. Let's say for example a 10 year old rural black child in Athens Georgia asked you to explain the Gospel, how would you communicate the overall story in a way that would make sense to him?

You might be surprised about that 10 year old rural black child. I would hazard a guess that most rural churches are KJV only, so that's the environment (or "context", if you will) that he's being raised in. It was the same with me being taught by my Great-Grandmother from the King James. Understanding comes from teaching, hearing, explaining, etc. So it wasn't a burden for me to be taught that way.
Alternately, I've found a lot of beauty in more "modern" translations such as the NLT - the context takes on a whole new meaning. However, if I'm in church on Sunday, my preference is not to hear the latest CCM playlist. I can listen to the radio as much as I want during the week for that. The modernization (or contextualization) of the church has crept in to our culture to such an extent that it almost seems unavoidable now - even in churches that are traditionally 'Liturgical'
 

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To me it honestly sounds like you need to have a modern worship style to get people into the pews, and then pretty much saying that Jesus is your friend and that He's got your back and you don't have to worry about anything which just sounds so millennial.

It's very millenial, and (for me) part of a problem. I could throw a pebble in our downtown core, and the chances of it ricocheting off about 10 non-denom or modern Mennonite churches is pretty high. The Lutheran church will be transitioning to a "blended" service soon, mostly because they're not able to support two services (one Liturgical and one 'Contemporary'). Sure, they're doctrinally Lutheran and hold to the Confessions, but have stated in their last annual report that their goal is to reach "young families with children". The 'Contemporary' service was a hotbed for it. So I'm not sure how long I will stay. For me, liturgy matters.
 

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For me, theology matters.

I'd MUCH rather "deal" with a worship style not exactly my preference than have all the traditions/customs I like but weak or bad (or non-existent) theology. I can learn to sing some newer songs, I just can't tolerate bad/weak theology. When I changed from Catholic to Lutheran, I "gave up" some customs/traditions I really liked... but none of that mattered.... theology did. And I "gave up" a really big church with LOTS and LOTS of programs and activities (and pretty girls) for a tiny church.... theology mattered (I found a pretty girl... just not in my parish).


MY pov....


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You might be surprised about that 10 year old rural black child. I would hazard a guess that most rural churches are KJV only, so that's the environment (or "context", if you will) that he's being raised in. It was the same with me being taught by my Great-Grandmother from the King James. Understanding comes from teaching, hearing, explaining, etc. So it wasn't a burden for me to be taught that way.
Alternately, I've found a lot of beauty in more "modern" translations such as the NLT - the context takes on a whole new meaning. However, if I'm in church on Sunday, my preference is not to hear the latest CCM playlist. I can listen to the radio as much as I want during the week for that. The modernization (or contextualization) of the church has crept in to our culture to such an extent that it almost seems unavoidable now - even in churches that are traditionally 'Liturgical'
Or you could let him read "the cotton patch gospel"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1573...tch+gospel&dpPl=1&dpID=51aHS7G8TsL&ref=plSrch
 

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When a soloist sings "Blessings" by Laura Storey, I begin to wonder about the theology of the church as well.
 
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