It was meant more as a clarification. If that wasn't a point you agreed with but it was someone else, then I'm glad for the correction. SO...there is no presumption that Jesus was baptised by immersion simply because it took place in a river.
You were addressing me and had quoted me. Anyway, if it's agreed now that baptism is not a requirement for salvation, that's also settled.
Ooooh. Good-bye, then.
No need to run and hide.
Wow, what is it with ppl around here?
You dished some false accusations at me, so I pointed them out and dished them right back at you. So what?!
It's not the end of the world, and it doesnt have to be the end of this conversation, but even if it IS, it doesnt have to be the end of a friendship.
Geez, are you not saved? (I'm not allowed to assume one way or the other on this site) But if so, so then are we not brothers?
I tell ya, chatforum christians need to be a little more honest both in their walk AND their talk, and quit being so wimpy and quick to throw each other aside or under the bus just bc they might disagree over a secondary issue, especially on a thread that has turned as silly as this one. Wow, it doesnt do much to get the enemy worried.
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Bottom line is, what you call here a clarification in that other post, was coupled with a false accusation at me and an apparent attempt to put me in a place I wasnt about to go.
I never said ppl MUST be immersed, which is what you accused me of by implication in quoting my post.
I never said you claimed that waterbap was a requirement of salvation, which is also what you accused me of saying.
I quoted 3 posts in mine... Mennosota , Imalive , and you.
My point of waterbap not being a requirement was clearly for Ima (which she knows, anyway, I was just confirming her position, I understood her point about 'doing baptism wrong'.)
My reply to her was really for ANYONE who might dare to tell her that waterbap was a requirement.
THEN, my re-quote of your post followed, and I addressed that.
Perhaps I should have split it into different posts so's not to confuse you, but I thought the general rule was to re-quote the other persons post first, and then post a reply to it after, not the other way around.
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But in this post, I disagree with your point about not presuming Jesus was immersed ... Also with your statement that it's based ONLY on the fact that it was in a river.
I clearly stated that atpollard made an excellent point in clarifying the meaning and majority use of the word in scripture, and that, combined with MennoSota making the excellent point about our being buried and risen with Jesus in SPIRITUAL baptism, that the symbolism of PHYSICAL baptism of being 'buried' in the water by immersion and risen from the grave (water) is the most reasonable position.
NOW, combine that with the fact that John was already in the water, ceremonially baptising (cleansing) sinners from their sins, in an O T type of law-keeping ceremony, it makes sense that they were being immersed.
Jesus came along, and though He was without sin, He was baptised, bc He did not come to bypass or abolish the law, but to fulfill all righteousness...He fulfilled all the law and the prophets (for us, Hallelujah, thank you, Jesus!)
So the presumption of immersion can VERY MUCH be presumed with much confidence, based on all that.
Notice I didnt say He MUST have, or WE MUST, but it is HIGHLY LIKELY that that is how it was done.
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For anyone that plans to try the bogus accusation that anyone here says immersion is THE ONLY POSSIBLE MEANING of the word, ... Pfffff, no one said that. For anyone that wants to say that immersion is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE METHOD, ..., Pfffff, no one said that, so quit making water-baptism a religious-works-requirement for salvation, whoever might try.
Meanwhile, I personally dont worry too much HOW ppl get baptised, or even IF (I'm talking about water, ok? No more twisting meanings, ok?!)
It should be a joyful ceremony symbolizing that we've been saved by grace thru faith in the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ...His death burial and resurrection for us. God bless you, okay?
