MennoSota
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Hi MennoSota
Thanks for sharing that story, it must have been really gut-wrenching, and Im glad the Lord gave you more grace to bear and mercy and pulled you out of that despair (I can relate to it sooo much, though for diff reasons, but I know those depths of seeming hopelessness.
And I know if I dwell on the way things and myself were, the enemy can exploit that thinking and pull right me back into it, if only for a temporory time, but yes, depression and sorrow can really throw you into a tailspin). Thank God for His saving grace and His mercies being new every morning.
Im interested in knowing from your perspective now, (and believe me, I dont understand all the catagories and definitions of all the groups and sub-groups, so Im not sure on any given day what box some person or another might put me in)
But for yourself, you said you were once on a 'free-will church environment' ... I dont know what that really means ... Is that like charismatic, like free-will worship environment?
Or free to believe different things about who God is?
Or is that what some ppl argue about saying there are ppl claiming to save themselves and Jesus isnt their Saviour, self is. (Ive never understood that one.)
Or is it something else? (I think I said before, I may have had Mennonites as some ancestors were PA Dutch, but I dont know the religion much, except I thought they were like Amish.
I read a bit more of it recently.)
But my question is, now that you left the free-will church and joined a different one, do you think being in this other church would have helped you with your friend? IOW, do you think there might have been a different outcome (and of course, we dont know it, Id like to think your friend got saved, and maybe the word you planted, (God planted thru you) had effect before he drew his last breath, Gods grace and mercy and love is abundant, abounding.)
Im just trying to understand, unless your church was teaching a false gospel, like works-righteousness, all these things YOU have TO DO, in order to obtain salvation, and even then there's still have no assurance, (there are denominations, cults and offshoots, big and small, that teach those things), what was the error that you saw in that church that might have been a stumbling block, if any, to your friend.
(And I do share in your hurt over that, .... excuse my language, but, sometimes it really really sucks living in a fallen world, but I confess I added my share of fallenness and hurt to it, and that really grieves me sometimes, I know that feeling of wanting to kill yourself, when I think of the wretchedness of my own heart.)
I'm not sure where to begin. I may miss something.
1) Free-will is what Arminius and Pelagius promoted. It states that God offers salvation to all, but the individual is responsible to pick God's offer from all the other options being offered. The only sin God cannot forgive is the sin of unbelief. God gives humans the freedom of their own will to believe or not believe. You can change your mind or act in such a way that leads to hell, even if you claim to be a Christian.
2) Mennonite's get their name from the Anabaptist reformer, Menno Simons a German monk, who questioned Luther, Zwingli and Calvin in regard to infant baptism and in regard to the merger of church and state (Menno called for the church and state to be independent of each other). Amish and Hutterites are spurs that came out of Mennonites. They felt the Mennonite's were becoming too liberal.
3) Would it have helped me to grow up in a Reformed Baptist church in relation to how I processed my grief? I think it would have reduced the self-centered guilt, but the deep grief would have remained. (Interestingly, the historical roots of my present church follow a very similar route to Mennonites. Both fled Germany and ended up in the Ukraine where they eventually fled the Tzar to the United States.)
Ultimately we cannot change the past. God ordained my path exactly as it has progressed. I have been given my path for the glory of God and to comfort those with the comfort by which God has comforted me.
4) The error is in teaching that my actions can somehow thwart the will of God. It produces a subtle pride in my own actions and my efforts to make sure God is not hindered and is well pleased in me. It's man-centered.
The truth is that God is entirely Sovereign and his will is always accomplished. If God desired my friend to be adopted, then he would have done so. And, frankly, only God knows what relationship he had with God. I hope that somehow, by God's gracious favor, my friend was redeemed. But, only God and my friend know. I must be content in God's sovereign choice, knowing God is not obligated to save even one sinner.
In the end, God is good all the time and all the time God is good.