Purgatory?

[Albion]

I stated that i liked the video because it had SOME truth to it in MY opinion
Btw, Catholics dont believe that EVERYONE goes to purgatory, lets suppose that iit is true, i stated that i wouldnt want purgatory "i am not waiting for purgatory either"

If no one is going to state for the record what Purgatory is, it makes all references to it (as I was reading) impossible to understand. Do you know what Purgatory is, is supposed to be, supposed to do, who goes there, why they do, etc.? I don't know. That being the case, it's impossible to evaluate the rest of what you are posting.

For example, you are right that "Catholics don't believe that everyone goes to Purgatory." BUT every Catholic you know will go there unless he's bound for Hell instead. Did you know that's how it works?

 

[Imalive]

Well...you side stepped the issue entirely and went on a social commentary that doesn't address the issue at all.
The issue is regarding the cause of salvation.
Does a human assist God in the process of salvation by creating their own faith based upon their own reasoning and experiential reaction? Or... Does God work out the process of salvation entirely on his own, apart from our reasoning or actions?

Neither. He works it in us, the wanting and working.

 

[Andrew]

If no one is going to state for the record what Purgatory is, it makes all references to it (as I was reading) impossible to understand. Do you know what Purgatory is, is supposed to be, supposed to do, who goes there, why they do, etc.? I don't know. That being the case, it's impossible to evaluate the rest of what you are posting.

For example, you are right that "Catholics don't believe that everyone goes to Purgatory." BUT every Catholic you know will go there unless he's bound for Hell instead. Did you know that's how it works?

The video is what helped my idea of the Catholic term means
https://youtu.be/BKMrhwnh5nU

 

[MennoSota]

Neither. He works it in us, the wanting and working.

So neither humans nor God is the cause of salvation? That is the case if you answer, neither, as you so answered.
Now, if God is the cause of our reaction, then it is all God. The effect is our reaction, which is also entirely from God. "Not of works, lest we should boast."

 

[Albion]

The video is what helped my idea of the Catholic term means

Helped?

OK, but you're the one doing all the posting about Purgatory. You even created the thread with that title. What do you think it is all about? You can even take the shortcut of answering the questions I stated in the past several posts of mine, if you prefer.

 

[Imalive]

So neither humans nor God is the cause of salvation? That is the case if you answer, neither, as you so answered.
Now, if God is the cause of our reaction, then it is all God. The effect is our reaction, which is also entirely from God. "Not of works, lest we should boast."

Yes salvation, I thought you meant working out your salvation. He also does that, but in us, so you dont have to dismiss the texts that tell you to work out your salvation w fear and trembling and to abide in Him. No I didnt do that out of my own great self. Im not God.

 

[Imalive]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m3d5Xat5mJY

 

[Albion]

That's a cheery picture.

Did you have something to tell us? If so, fire away!

 

[Imalive]

That's a cheery picture.

Did you have something to tell us? If so, fire away!

Thats a great message about not being work based from catch the fire to get purified Toronto. Maybe DHoffman likes it.

 

[Albion]

What's the message? That works don't save, only faith?

 

[MennoSota]

Yes salvation, I thought you meant working out your salvation. He also does that, but in us, so you dont have to dismiss the texts that tell you to work out your salvation w fear and trembling and to abide in Him. No I didnt do that out of my own great self. Im not God.

So God saved you with no help from you. Is that correct?
No requirement for you to say a prayer. No requirement for you to ask forgiveness first. No requirement for you to accept a gift from God. Is that correct?
God saved you, with no requirement from you to act first before he would act. Is that correct?

As for the passage about working out your salvation, the passage itself requires that salvation is already given as a gift. However, the process of sanctification (being made holy) is ongoing and being worked out. As John Piper says: "Because we are saved by God's unconditional grace through the gift of faith, the works we do prove our faith is real. Works are evidence of election."
"Our works are not decisive in our salvation. They are evidence of God's saving work in us. And that is why we must 'be all the more diligent to make [our] calling and election sure' by working out our salvation with fear and trembling."

 

[Imalive]

What's the message? That works don't save, only faith?

It's just a testimony. He got radically saved, set free at once from drugs and porn and then he went to seminary and they said you have to pray, read Bible, evangelize. He says: but they didnt count with the filter system. It's good to do that, but he had to perform to earn his salvation cause his mind wasnt renewed yet. And then he asks someone from the public and with a every great performance he lets him carry another plant until he cant carry em anymore. He got a great church, prayed hours, stood up early, lot of ppl saved, but it was performance.

 

[Albion]

It's just a testimony. He got radically saved, set free at once from drugs and porn and then he went to seminary and they said you have to pray, read Bible, evangelize. He says: but they didnt count with the filter system. It's good to do that, but he had to perform to earn his salvation cause his mind wasnt renewed yet. .

Where do these notions come from, eh!?

Thanks.

 

[Imalive]

Where do these notions come from, eh!?

Thanks.

I just listened to it again. Wow. Do this do that or they put you on a list. He was just saved and they taught him this is how a good christian should live. I have heard such preachings too there. Give tithes of your time. I'd put my watch. 2.4 hours yay I can stop. It's trying to earn His love and not everyone gets that problem, but if you're raised like that you think like that. Earn God's love. It was the preaching he got combined w how he already thought, I think. Btw he believed he was saved. He just wanted to be the best and earn God's love.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It's just a testimony. He got radically saved, set free at once from drugs and porn and then he went to seminary and they said you have to pray, read Bible, evangelize. He says: but they didnt count with the filter system. It's good to do that, but he had to perform to earn his salvation cause his mind wasnt renewed yet. And then he asks someone from the public and with a every great performance he lets him carry another plant until he cant carry em anymore. He got a great church, prayed hours, stood up early, lot of ppl saved, but it was performance.

Why is it that so many of these "charismatic preachers" got saved from drugs, porn, sex addiction, crime, and who knows what else? Shouldn't they be in prison for all the bad things they did rather than preaching about it? They talk like they "got saved" a few months or maybe a year or two before they started preaching. It smacks of fabrication. They are probably lying.

 

[psalms 91]

Why is it that so many of these "charismatic preachers" got saved from drugs, porn, sex addiction, crime, and who knows what else? Shouldn't they be in prison for all the bad things they did rather than preaching about it? They talk like they "got saved" a few months or maybe a year or two before they started preaching. It smacks of fabrication. They are probably lying.

Bet you would have said that of the woman at the well or the one caught in aduktry. Stories are real and God does many miracles with people and many of these are the very ones He can use to reach others rather than the judgemetnal ones that have been so called good all their lives. Kind of reminds me of the prodigal son and the brother

 

[Imalive]

Why is it that so many of these "charismatic preachers" got saved from drugs, porn, sex addiction, crime, and who knows what else? Shouldn't they be in prison for all the bad things they did rather than preaching about it? They talk like they "got saved" a few months or maybe a year or two before they started preaching. It smacks of fabrication. They are probably lying.

Cause the sick need a doctor and if you're that bad off a regular church wont help you. Actually I have hardly ever seen normal decent folksin our church who were always like that. Now that is a miracle. Ppl living decent and normal w out God? wow kufos to them. thats harder for me to believe lol

 

[Imalive]

So God saved you with no help from you. Is that correct?
No requirement for you to say a prayer. No requirement for you to ask forgiveness first. No requirement for you to accept a gift from God. Is that correct?
God saved you, with no requirement from you to act first before he would act. Is that correct?

As for the passage about working out your salvation, the passage itself requires that salvation is already given as a gift. However, the process of sanctification (being made holy) is ongoing and being worked out. As John Piper says: "Because we are saved by God's unconditional grace through the gift of faith, the works we do prove our faith is real. Works are evidence of election."
"Our works are not decisive in our salvation. They are evidence of God's saving work in us. And that is why we must 'be all the more diligent to make [our] calling and election sure' by working out our salvation with fear and trembling."

No I had to repent and His grace brought me to repentance cause I wasnt even sorry LOL I mean i had no idea it was bad that i hated people, I was simply obedient and confessed all my sins and then I noticed I didnt hate some ppl anymore. the Bible says we're saved by grace through faith and it also says you have to confess your sins and confess Him as Lord. Who cares? He did it and Im saved, thats what matters.
Faith w out works is dead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CcjuC016c68

 

[Albion]

No I had to repent and His grace brought me to repentance cause I wasnt even sorry LOL. I have mo idea. the Binle says were saved by grace through faith and it also says you have to confess your sins and confess Him as Lord. Who cares? He did it and Im saved, thats what matters.
Faith w out works is dead.

I hope you mean that saving Faith will produce works, not that all of that about confessing sins and confessing Christ as Lord means that certain works contribute to one's chances of salvation.

 

[Imalive]

My mother was Dutch reformed her whole life. My dad was an atheist. She stopped going to church when they married. She kept believing in God though. With 14 I got saved and my brother too in a pentecostal church. My brother saw Jesus while zen meditating and I asked for signs for a year. My mother was afraid we had gone to a cult and came to check and gave her life to the Lord and says since then she's in a personal relationship with Him. My dad thought his whole family had gone nuts hahahahaha poor guy.