Why did Jesus say that you can pay money to get out of Hell?

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I’m just saying that maybe we should have the books in our Bibles that the early church had in theirs. And when we find a scripture verse that seems to be promoting the idea of buying your way out of Hell, maybe we should be careful with interpreting it correctly before ripping it out.

Matthew does not say we can buy our way out of hell. Why are you insisting that it says that? I already posted the full quote of the scripture for you to see.
 

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Matthew does not say we can buy our way out of hell. Why are you insisting that it says that? I already posted the full quote of the scripture for you to see.

Of course Matthew doesn’t. And neither does 2 Maccabees. That’s my point.

Don’t rip a book out of the Bible just because somebody misinterpreted it.
 

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Or perhaps we could, you know, read the text and try to understand it rather than making wild assumptions based on nothing in particular.

Yes, good idea. Let’s not make wild assumptions. Apply that logic to 2 Maccabees now.
 

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Seriously, where have you been coming up with some of the claims you’ve made?

The same place people come up with the claims against 2 Maccabees.
 

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Matthew does not say we can buy our way out of hell. Why are you insisting that it says that? I already posted the full quote of the scripture for you to see.
This thread honestly sounds like the sort of traps the Pharisees would attempt to trap Jesus with when they argued with him. They would bring up a subject of discussion for the sole purpose of trying to trap Jesus instead of actually wanting to learn something about scripture. He's trying to "trap" you into a false dilemma in which he thinks he can force you and anyone else who responds to this thread to accepting all those books Nathan keeps claiming are scripture that have been removed from the Bible. When someone has to resort to such tactics to convince people of something, it makes you suspect any conclusion the speaker is trying to convince you is true.
 

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The christianityboard. com has JW’s teaching new christians. pathetic.
 

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I’m just saying that maybe we should have the books in our Bibles


NATHAN,


1. You can have ANY book you want.


2. NO ONE is telling any publishing house what they may or may not put in a tome with the word "BIBLE" printed on the cover in genuine imitation gold letters. No one. Certainly no one here at CH.


3. You seem to be very angry at some unidentified publishing house and perhaps at your pastor and/or church and/or denomination because you THEORIZE (it seems with zero evidence) that they forbid you to read some books. Okay. But NO ONE HERE has forbidden you to read anything. When will you realize that? Ever? Take your anger to those you (probably wrongly) feel are forbidding you to read something.


4. No one can take OUT what is not IN. When will that dawn on you? You keep insisting that some (never identified) corpus of books USED to be "IN" the collection that The Ruling Body of all Christianity officially/formally declared to be the inerrant, fully/equally canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God... and that "someone" (you won't identify who) repudiated The Ruling Body of Christianity and its Decision. You're wrong. You are just plain WRONG. And obviously, you don't care because you haven't indication that you docilicly accept ANY Ruling Body in Christianity.





that the early church had in theirs.


Wrong.

NEVER did The Early Church declare what is or is not Scripture. True, a few INDIVIDUAL, SINGULAR persons gave their opinions as to what is the inerrant, fully/equally canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God. But brother, individual Christians are not The Early Church. Think. And yes, there are 3 or 4 regional, local, non-authoritative, NOT ecumenical synods that also did this, but no such meeting was or is The Early Church. The MOST that can be said (and it's really stretching things) is that the Early Church spoke in 7 Ecumenical Councils. But NONE of those said a WORD about what is or is not Scripture and certainly never decided anything about that. The Early Church never put anything IN the Bible. You seem to hold to an absurd, silly MYTH of some "Evangelicals" that God sent out this mass email in 33 AD with the list of all the Books that are Scripture... everyone got the email.... everyone so accepted those (and only those) books listed in God's email... It's a pure MYTH.





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If God can keep the covenant safe from the Philistines when the army brought it into war, then I’m sure He can take care of His Word.
 

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This thread honestly sounds like the sort of traps the Pharisees would attempt to trap Jesus with when they argued with him. They would bring up a subject of discussion for the sole purpose of trying to trap Jesus instead of actually wanting to learn something about scripture. He's trying to "trap" you into a false dilemma in which he thinks he can force you and anyone else who responds to this thread to accepting all those books Nathan keeps claiming are scripture that have been removed from the Bible. When someone has to resort to such tactics to convince people of something, it makes you suspect any conclusion the speaker is trying to convince you is true.

God forbid that I read the books that the early church had in their Bible. Only a Pharisee would read the books the early church read.
 

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This thread honestly sounds like the sort of traps the Pharisees would attempt to trap Jesus with when they argued with him. They would bring up a subject of discussion for the sole purpose of trying to trap Jesus instead of actually wanting to learn something about scripture. He's trying to "trap" you into a false dilemma in which he thinks he can force you and anyone else who responds to this thread to accepting all those books Nathan keeps claiming are scripture that have been removed from the Bible. When someone has to resort to such tactics to convince people of something, it makes you suspect any conclusion the speaker is trying to convince you is true.

Come to think of it, the Pharisees believed in a resurrection. The early Christians believed in a resurrection. Where do you think they got that? Oh, 2 Maccabees talks about a resurrection.
 

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If God can keep the covenant safe from the Philistines when the army brought it into war, then I’m sure He can take care of His Word.

Good point!
No matter how many Christian cults try to take books out of the Bible, or add books in, God will always have the ability to preserve His Truth and His Word.
 

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Yes, good idea. Let’s not make wild assumptions. Apply that logic to 2 Maccabees now.

It's hard to know just what game you're pulling here. You seem to be asking "Why did Jesus say..." when he said no such thing, then shifting your position around.

Honestly, I'm trying hard not to write you off as a troll but feel like I'm failing.
 

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It's hard to know just what game you're pulling here. You seem to be asking "Why did Jesus say..." when he said no such thing, then shifting your position around.

Honestly, I'm trying hard not to write you off as a troll but feel like I'm failing.

Basically, people think that 2 Maccabees chapter 12 endorses the idea that you can pay money to get yourself out of purgatory.

The truth is, 2 Maccabees says no such thing. That’s a misinterpretation.

2 Maccabees is not saying that money can get you out of Hell any more than Jesus is saying in Matthew that money can get you out of Hell.

See where I’m going with this?

You cannot just rip books out of the Bible just because someone misinterpreted it.
 

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“Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.”
-Matthew 5:25-26



If the gospel of Matthew is endorsing the idea that you can pay money to get out of Hell, then certainly Matthew’s gospel is an Apocryphal book.

We should take it out of the Bible.
:ROFLMAO:
 

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Yea, you should. Should probably listen to the early church too.
I agree, I listen to the early church that acknowledged the 66 book Bible.
 

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God forbid that I read the books that the early church had in their Bible. Only a Pharisee would read the books the early church read.
The EARLY church did not have a Bible … they had collections of scrolls.
 

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Basically, people think that 2 Maccabees chapter 12 endorses the idea that you can pay money to get yourself out of purgatory.

The truth is, 2 Maccabees says no such thing. That’s a misinterpretation.

2 Maccabees is not saying that money can get you out of Hell any more than Jesus is saying in Matthew that money can get you out of Hell.

See where I’m going with this?

You cannot just rip books out of the Bible just because someone misinterpreted it.
Just to set the record straight …

Matthew 5 says that people should reconcile with God while they are alive (before they face God’s judgement) because after the judgement, only payment in full (eternal damnation) awaits.

2 Maccabees says that men were killed by God for carrying idols. So money was sent to Jerusalem to pay for sacrifices to be offered to forgive the dead.

The messages are exactly the opposite. One says there is no forgiveness after death and the other says that there may be forgiveness after death.

(For the record, there are other things against Maccabees besides an interpretation of one section that supports the Catholic idea of purgatory. Which only means that it is not in the same class as Genesis or the Gospels, not that it should not be read or that it does not contain some TRUTH.)
 

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Basically, people think that 2 Maccabees chapter 12 endorses the idea that you can pay money to get yourself out of purgatory.

The truth is, 2 Maccabees says no such thing. That’s a misinterpretation.

2 Maccabees is not saying that money can get you out of Hell any more than Jesus is saying in Matthew that money can get you out of Hell.

See where I’m going with this?

You cannot just rip books out of the Bible just because someone misinterpreted it.
The Maccabees gave control to Rome is what they did. Fighting on the sabbath was forbidden so that’s when Esebuius attacked. It’s just ploys that cowards use.
 

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The Maccabees gave control to Rome is what they did. Fighting on the sabbath was forbidden so that’s when Esebuius attacked. It’s just ploys that cowards use.

Huh? Rome was barely mentioned. Jesus healed on the Sabbath. And Jesus celebrated the holiday that commemorates the Maccabees in John 10:22.
 

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Basically, people think that 2 Maccabees chapter 12 endorses the idea that you can pay money to get yourself out of purgatory.

The truth is, 2 Maccabees says no such thing. That’s a misinterpretation.

2 Maccabees is not saying that money can get you out of Hell any more than Jesus is saying in Matthew that money can get you out of Hell.

See where I’m going with this?

You cannot just rip books out of the Bible just because someone misinterpreted it.

It's not even close to clear what you're doing, especially given the title of your thread. First you sounded as if you believed it, now you're saying that "people think" without saying which people or why they think it. Whether you think 2 Maccabees should or shouldn't be part of Scripture isn't clear either. Hence all I see is a load of words with little to no purpose.
 
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