What Would You Do?

[Messy]

There was a guy from Australia who started a church here. His wife didnt even have a job. Unbelievable. So spoiled. They were used to getting paid by the church and living in a big house, driving a car, playing tennis. In Holland? Haha. No way. So he got no money here, so he listened to a Nigerian prince, a scammer. I looked it up, I showed him proof. Look it's a scammer. He did not believe me. I'm the pastor. Good luck then. Church is gone now. They also did not protect you at all and did not preach that remarriage is sin, so why obey someone when someone doesnt even obey God?

 

[Lamb]

Do you have a pastor that rules over you and is accountable for you to the Lord? Yes or no?
If you do not answer with a yes I will assume it is a NO.
If not then why not?

Pastors don't RULE over us. They serve us by imitating Christ with love for mankind, bringing to us God's Word so that we grow in faith.

So, no, a pastor will not rule over anyone if he is a true man of God.

 

[Messy]

Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.

21 And He said to her, “What do you wish?”

She said to Him, “Grant that these two sons of mine may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your kingdom.”

22 But Jesus answered and said, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, [e]and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”

They said to Him, “We are able.”

23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, [f]and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”

24 And when the ten heard it, they were greatly displeased with the two brothers. 25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. 26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. 27 And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

It's so funny that they let their mom ask Him.

 

[tango]

What is the difference between you a sinner, you know, one who disobeys God, and a troll?

Why don't you enlighten me?

 

[Messy]

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[BiblicallyCorrect]

Why don't you enlighten me?

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee,
that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven,
but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

 

[tango]

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee,
that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven,
but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I'm not sure how that answers the question but, you know, whatever.....

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

I'm not sure how that answers the question but, you know, whatever.....

You comprehended, exactly what I said to you.

 

[Albion]

I'm not sure how that answers the question but, you know, whatever.....

It doesn't, so it's now time for the "ignore" button.

 

[tango]

It doesn't, so it's now time for the "ignore" button.

Yep, it certainly looks that way.

 

[Bluezone777]

People who have authority and lead others don't tend to go up to people and ask if they will submit and obey them. They don't do this because part of effective leadership is trust and that trust must go both ways. People submit to a leader they trust and the leader trusts those in his charge to submit and obey him without him having to ask them if they will. The OP hasn't done the work of earning the trust of anyone here so it's no surprise no one here is eager to jump up and say yes to that question.

 

[prism]

Do you have a pastor that rules over you and is accountable for you to the Lord? Yes or no?

Do you have a pastor that meets these criteria?…

1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1 Peter 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

Do you have a pastor that meets these criteria?…

1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1 Peter 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

I do not know, if the pastor meets that criteria, that Jesus appointed to me, for me to submit and obey,
for that pastor is accountable to Jesus for me. When Jesus commanded me to
submit and obey that pastor, I did not ask Him if that pastor

meets these criteria?…

1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1 Peter 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

I JUST OBEYED JESUS with out questioning any of it.

 

[prism]

I JUST OBEYED JESUS with out questioning any of it.

All Scripture is God breathed and so when the Scriptures say 'test the spirits' would you disobey God's Word thus putting your family at risk of encountering a wolf in sheep's clothing?

1 John 4:1 LSB
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

All Scripture is God breathed and so when the Scriptures say 'test the spirits' would you disobey God's Word thus putting your family at risk of encountering a wolf in sheep's clothing?

1 John 4:1 LSB
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

John was speaking to them that were not yet of the truth.
John 18:37
Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Them of the truth, need not try any spirit, for they know the voice of Jesus Christ.

May I suggest to you, stop looking for a way out and start looking for a way in,
you can take this advice or leave it.

 

[prism]

May I suggest to you, stop looking for a way out and start looking for a way in,
you can take this advice or leave it.

Do you have Scriptural backing for that advice? Otherwise I'll leave it.

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

Do you have Scriptural backing for that advice? Otherwise I'll leave it.

Even if I were to give you, a word for word scripture,
you would not heed it. You would come up with some reason.

So I guess you will just have to do without.

 

[prism]

Even if I were to give you, a word for word scripture,
you would not heed it. You would come up with some reason.

So I guess you will just have to do without.

Fine, I'll take it you have nothing.
Why do you think I would not heed Scripture?
In post #34 I gave you Scripture and you did not heed it but explained it away by saying, "John was speaking to them that were not yet of the truth." even though earlier in the letter John writes...

1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

How can they have their sins forgiven and not be of the truth?

 

[BiblicallyCorrect]

Why do you think I would not heed Scripture?

Because you do not obey all the commandments of Jesus Christ.

And if you say to me,
" Which ones do I disobey?"

My answer is... most all of them.

 

[Messy]

John was speaking to them that were not yet of the truth.
John 18:37
Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Them of the truth, need not try any spirit, for they know the voice of Jesus Christ.

May I suggest to you, stop looking for a way out and start looking for a way in,
you can take this advice or leave it.

37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”

Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

Oh wait, you only mean the last sentence. I thought it was a test, cause I have never seen that text,but that's what you say and it goes against what John says:

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess [a]that Jesus [b]Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


Paul said it was good to even check him:

Acts 17:11​

11 These were more [a]fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.


The thing is, your pastor may be good and just tell you to pray or not sin or whatever, but these last days even the best pastor can go wrong. Don't hang on a person.