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I had to look this up... Not familiar with the term.

What I found out was that it will lessen your time in purgatory if you confess these sins....lol what a joke...

Other lesser matters are Venial Sins and are not required to be confessed in Confession. However, it is a good and pious thing to confess Venial Sins, to lessen your time in Purgatory.

A list of Venial sins, and even lesser ‘Imperfections‘, is covered in the Venial Sins section. The lesser Imperfections are not sins at all, but more difficult to distinguish from Venial Sins. http://www.followthissite.com/list-of-sins.php
This website has a check off list... This part I found that I have committed the moral sin of .. of my own free will I have chosen to Remember to Keep Holy the Sabbath Day on Sabbath and not on Sunday. I don't do mass, obligations, communions, or follow any of these man-made traditions.

THIRD COMMANDMENT Serious Matter Sufficient Reflection Free Will
THIRD COMMANDMENT -- Remember that you keep Holy the Sabbath Day. [Exodus 20:8] [___] [___] [___]
Did you miss Sunday Mass or a Holy Day of Obligation without good reason? [___] [___] [___]
Did you receive Holy Communion in a state of Mortal Sin (SACRILEGE)? [___] [___] [___]
Did you Fail to Fast from Food and Drink for 1 hour before Communion? (Water/Medicine is permitted)[___][___][___]
Did you Fail to Receive Holy Communion during Easter time? [Same as Comd. #2 above] [___] [___] [___]
Did you Desecrate the Holy Eucharist (SACRILEGE)? [___] [___] [___]
Did you do unnecessary compensated Labor on Sunday, for a long time? [___] [___] [___]
Did you Require employees to work on Sundays in non-essential occupations? [___] [___] [___]
Did you intentionally Fail to Fast on Ash Wednesday or Good Friday? [___] [___] [___]
Did you intentionally Eat Meat on the Fridays of Lent or on Ash Wednesday?[___][___][___]

And that is just one commandment....There one good thing about this RCC list of mortal sins and venial sins... All TEN commandments are listed and the understanding as RCC knows it as to what is necessary to keep them. For all the arguments with RCC faith member, who doesn't believe they are applicable, by their own teachings it is.
 

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They already believe in something thta is no longer there with the mention of purgatory, the righteous side of hell wsas taken up into heaven and is empty.
 

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They already believe in something thta is no longer there with the mention of purgatory, the righteous side of hell wsas taken up into heaven and is empty.

Purgatory has nothing to do with hell.
 

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OK then tell me where it is and why God uses something not mentioned.
 

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Purgatory got cancelled due to a lack of interest.
 

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OK then tell me where it is and why God uses something not mentioned.

Purgatory is not a place it is a process; specifically, it is the process of being purged of all flaws of habit and character that remain when one has completed one's earthly life. Some think of the process as taking time, other as taking an instant but all appear to be agreed that the faithful are changed between the time of the end of their earthly life and the commencement of their heavenly life.
 
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The spirit goes to God, the soul to whereever it belongs and the body to the earth, no purgatory
 

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Purgatory is not a place it is a process; specifically, it is the process of being purged of all flaws of habit and character that remain when one has completed one's earthly life. Some think of the process is taking time, other as taking an instant but all appear to be agreed that the faithful are changed between the time of the end of their earthly life and the commencement of their heavenly life.

The spirit goes to God, the soul to whereever it belongs and the body to the earth, no purgatory

You didn't read what I wrote did you?

Purgatory is not a place.

Purgatory is the process by which one is purged of all flaws of habit and character that remain when one has completed one's earthly life

Some think of the process as taking time, other as taking an instant but all appear to be agreed that the faithful are changed between the time of the end of their earthly life and the commencement of their heavenly life.
 
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Purgatory is not a place it is a process; specifically, it is the process of being purged of all flaws of habit and character that remain when one has completed one's earthly life. Some think of the process is taking time, other as taking an instant but all appear to be agreed that the faithful are changed between the time of the end of their earthly life and the commencement of their heavenly life.
Dead or alive?
 

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Purgatory is not a place it is a process; specifically, it is the process of being purged of all flaws of habit and character that remain when one has completed one's earthly life. Some think of the process as taking time, other as taking an instant but all appear to be agreed that the faithful are changed between the time of the end of their earthly life and the commencement of their heavenly life.

Dead or alive?

What do you mean?
 

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You didn't read what I wrote did you?

Purgatory is not a place.

Purgatory is the process by which one is purged of all flaws of habit and character that remain when one has completed one's earthly life

Some think of the process is taking time, other as taking an instant but all appear to be agreed that the faithful are changed between the time of the end of their earthly life and the commencement of their heavenly life.
I read, dont believe it any more than I believe in paying to get someoner out of it either
 

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I read, dont believe it any more than I believe in paying to get someoner out of it either

okay.

It amazes me how people, such as yourself, can make such a song and dance about being biblical and then just casually ignore what the holy scriptures say. But amazed as I am I am not surprised at it. I've seen it so many times.
 

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Again, interprettation
 

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okay.

It amazes me how people, such as yourself, can make such a song and dance about being biblical and then just casually ignore what the holy scriptures say. But amazed as I am I am not surprised at it. I've seen it so many times.

So purgatory is that they get saved but like through fire. Ah interesting.
 

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You didn't read what I wrote did you?

Purgatory is not a place.

Purgatory is the process by which one is purged of all flaws of habit and character that remain when one has completed one's earthly life

Some think of the process is taking time, other as taking an instant but all appear to be agreed that the faithful are changed between the time of the end of their earthly life and the commencement of their heavenly life.
Sounds like a lot of hogwash i. A desperate attempt to backtrack on an embarrasing doctrine with no biblical basis what so ever.a redefining of a falsedoctrine.like theclaim ..we dont pray to mary.we ask her..-when to pray means- to ask. Lol rewording the description of a wrong does not make it right.

Just repent come out of it dude.
You know enough of scripture to know you cant serve rome and the lord jesus at the same time.you cant adhere to both.
 

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So purgatory is that they get saved but like through fire. Ah interesting.

Dont be tricked so easily .the rcc changes its presentations with every wind of change.anything to keep bums in seats and the money flowing.no diff with tv evangelicals.
 

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Dont be tricked so easily .the rcc changes its presentations with every wind of change.anything to keep bums in seats and the money flowing.no diff with tv evangelicals.

No different with ANY Evangelicals. Any church structure will go through reform, but the doctrine of some remain fairly consistent. Doing our homework to understand doctrine does not equate to agreement, though.
 

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Some say Catholics change their doctrine. The doctrine about purgatory is older than any Protestant Evangelical denomination in existence. Even The Catechism of the Council of Trent is older than virtually all of them.

ARTICLE V : "HE DESCENDED INTO HELL, THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD"

Importance Of This Article

To know the glory of the burial of our Lord Jesus Christ, of which we last treated, is highly important; but of still higher importance is it to the faithful to know the splendid triumphs which He obtained by having subdued the devil and despoiled the abodes of hell. Of these triumphs, and also of His Resurrection, we are now about to speak.

Although the latter presents to us a subject which might with propriety be treated under a separate and distinct head, yet following the example of the holy Fathers, we have deemed it fitting to unite it with His descent into hell.

First Part of this Article: "He Descended into Hell"

In the first part of this Article, then, we profess that immediately after the death of Christ His soul descended into hell, and dwelt there as long as His body remained in the tomb; and also that the one Person of Christ was at the same time in hell and in the sepulchre. Nor should this excite surprise; for, as we have already frequently said, although His soul was separated from His body, His Divinity was never parted from either His soul or His body.​

"Hell"

As the pastor, by explaining the meaning of the word hell in this place may throw considerable light on the exposition of this Article, it is to be observed that by the word hell is not here meant the sepulchre, as some have not less impiously than ignorantly imagined; for in the preceding Article we learned that Christ the Lord was buried, and there was no reason why the Apostles, in delivering an Article of faith, should repeat the same thing in other and more obscure terms.

Hell, then, here signifies those secret abodes in which are detained the souls that have not obtained the happiness of heaven. In this sense the word is frequently used in Scripture. Thus the Apostle says: At the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and in hell; and in the Acts of the Apostles St. Peter says that Christ the Lord is again risen, having loosed the sorrows of hell.​

Different Abodes Called Hell"

These abodes are not all of the same nature, for among them is that most loathsome and dark prison in which the souls of the damned are tormented with the unclean spirits in eternal and inextinguishable fire. This place is called gehenna, the bottomless pit, and is hell strictly so called.

Among them is also the fire of purgatory, in which the souls of just men are cleansed by a temporary punishment, in order to be admitted into their eternal country, into which nothing defiled entereth. The truth of this doctrine, founded, as holy Councils declare,' on Scripture, and confirmed by Apostolic tradition, demands exposition from the pastor, all the more diligent and frequent, because we live in times when men endure not sound doctrine.

Lastly, the third kind of abode is that into which the souls of the just before the coming of Christ the Lord, were received, and where, without experiencing any sort of pain, but supported by the blessed hope of redemption, they enjoyed peaceful repose. To liberate these holy souls, who, in the bosom of Abraham were expecting the Saviour, Christ the Lord descended into hell.​

"He Descended"

We are not to imagine that His power and virtue only, and not also His soul, descended into hell; but we are firmly to believe that His soul itself, really and substantially, descended thither, according to this conclusive testimony of David: Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell.

But although Christ descended into hell, His supreme power was in no degree lessened, nor was the splendour of His sanctity obscured by any blemish. His descent served rather to prove that whatever had been foretold of His sanctity was true; and that, as He had previously demonstrated by so many miracles, He was truly the Son of God.

This we shall easily understand by comparing the causes of the descent of Christ with those of other men. They descended as captives; He as free and victorious among the dead, to subdue those demons by whom, in consequence of guilt, they were held in captivity. Furthermore all others descended, either to endure the most acute torments, or, if exempt from other pain, to be deprived of the vision of God, and to be tortured by the delay of the glory and happiness for which they yearned; Christ the Lord descended, on the contrary, not to suffer, but to liberate the holy and the just from their painful captivity, and to impart to them the fruit of His Passion. His supreme dignity and power, therefore, suffered no diminution by His descent into hell.​

Why He Descended into Hell

To Liberate The Just

Having explained these things, the pastor should next proceed to teach that Christ the Lord descended into hell, in order that having despoiled the demons, He might liberate from prison those holy Fathers and the other just souls, and might bring them into heaven with Himself. This He accomplished in an admirable and most glorious manner; for His august presence at once shed a celestial lustre upon the captives and filled them with inconceivable joy and delight. He also imparted to them that supreme happiness which consists in the vision of God, thus verifying His promise to the thief on the cross: This day thou shalt be with me in paradise.

This deliverance of the just was long before predicted by Osee in these words: O death, I will be thy death; O hell, I will be thy bite; ' and also by the Prophet Zachary: Thou also by the blood of thy testament hast sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit, wherein is no water; and lastly, the same is expressed by the Apostle in these words: Despoiling the principalities and powers, he hath exposed them confidently in open show, triumphing over them in himself.

But the better to understand the efficacy of this mystery we should frequently call to mind that not only the just who were born after the coming of our Lord, but also those who preceded Him from the days of Adam, or who shall be born until the end of time, obtain their salvation through the benefit of His Passion. Wherefore before His death and Resurrection heaven was closed against every child of Adam. The souls of the just, on their departure from this life, were either borne to the bosom of Abraham; or, as is still the case with those who have something to be washed away or satisfied for, were purified in the fire of purgatory.​

To Proclaim His Power

Another reason why Christ the Lord descended into hell is that there, as well as in heaven and on earth, He might proclaim His power and authority, and that every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.

And here, who is not filled with admiration and astonishment when he contemplates the infinite love of God for man! Not satisfied with having undergone for our sake a most cruel death, He penetrates the inmost recesses of the earth to transport into bliss the souls whom He so dearly loved and whose liberation from thence He had achieved.​

There's more in ARTICLE V (see the source given below)​

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Gets confusing when 2 threads are branching into the same topic.
This is then a reply to both.

In response to the reference "a sin unto death" in 1John 5.

he speaks of error ..if we see a person acting in an erronious manner. As paul did with peter in the case that peter did not eat with gentiles .paul even names it as "sin" .. Does it threaten peters salvation..? No it is a sin..an error that needed correction ..and paul gave that correction in no uncertain terms..and more importantly.peter ACCEPTED the admonishment by paul and corrected his ways.
Had peter not done so he would have progressed into rebellion against the holy spirit.so of course he repented of his present error. Such is a sin,a missing of the mark ,that does not lead to death.for there is no direct unambiguous command that "thou shalt eat with gentiles" that he was transgressing against.
But if he was traveling in the gospel work and sleeping with some strange woman ..that would be a direct transgression of what he knows to be right.it would be a sin unto death if he does not immediatly repent of it and cease .if he were to die in an unrepentant state,he would perish in his sin. It would be a sin unto death in that it is a direct rebellous violation against the known will of God.not an erronious behavior.
Just as lying is .and stealing and refusing to forgive.and porn which is adultory..and masterbation..which is the outward action purposly fed by the sinful desire to please the insatiable evil desires of the flesh by the sin of uncovering the nakedness of one whom you have no right to uncover.
It also,unrepented of,is a sin unto death.

No part of the text has anything what so ever to do with the old rcc pugatory .and swapping the definitions now is just an admission that the doctrine has always been false.
 
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