Unitarian

[Albion]

Jesus is equal to God the Father???

Who says Jesus is equal to the Father? Some however do agree with the Bible that Jesus is divine - as much so as is the Father - but nowhere is it stated He thus is equal to the Father.

Exactly what I thought when our friend insisted that the Trinitarian belief is that the Father and the Son or the Holy Ghost are "equal." Not enough understanding of this Christian belief and the Bible's testimony for him to be inviting a debate about it.

 

[Albion]

Where did Jesus claim he was God. If he did not only is he a liar, he's a fraud!

Well, Jesus did make that claim.

As a result, you are left to think him a liar and a fraud.

In so doing, you place yourself outside of Christianity. Is that the position you normally take when you're involved in discussions like this one?

Uh, no. I see that your profile shows that you label yourself a "Christian." (!)

So...?

 

[Ammi]

Trinitarians ignore Jesus' own words.

Jesus said 'the Father is greater'. I believe him.

He said he doesn't know the day and hour of his return. I believe him.

He said he can do NOTHING on his own. I believe him.

Over and over again, Jesus acknowledges his subordination to the Father. How do Trinitarians overcome these clear contradictions of co-equality?

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH."

Ahhhhhhhh - but everything revolves around the nonsense of a hypostatic union...AKA TWO NATURES - another concoction of the devils.

Bible says GOD CANNOT BE A MAN!

The Father, Holy Spirit, Son; rejoice, the Lord our God is one!

 

[Romanos]

Here at Christianity Haven, the theology about the Trinity is considered to be doctrine. While you are welcome to disagree, the position of the site is that the Trinity does exist and that is the position that will continue to be maintained. While anyone is welcome to disagree, that will not change.