Trump: Our New President

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I guess if we really think about it though, the urban vote is historically Democrat, and it is the urban vote that gets diminished by the EC, so it makes sense that Democrats would suffer while Republicans benefit.
Hillary got about half of the democratic people's vote the Obama did back in 2008. They say that a lot of democrats either refused to vote for Hillary or voted for Trump.
 

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Earlier you said:

I took this to imply that both sides have gotten the short end of the stick with regards to the EC, and was interested to find only democrats have run afoul of it. That was the relevance to me of what I posted.

Fair point. I knew there had been only 5 elections where the EC returned a different result to the popular vote, didn't know that it was always in favor of the Republicans. That said I still think a system that allows urban areas (whatever their leanings) to outvote huge swathes of lesser populated areas (to the extent that NYC could outvote multiple entire states) is absurd, and why I still think the answer is less centralised government and more local control.
 

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I can see arguments both ways too. Before I looked it up, I only knew of the 2 most recent situations in which the winner had fewer actual votes. :D
 

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Fair point. I knew there had been only 5 elections where the EC returned a different result to the popular vote, didn't know that it was always in favor of the Republicans. That said I still think a system that allows urban areas (whatever their leanings) to outvote huge swathes of lesser populated areas (to the extent that NYC could outvote multiple entire states) is absurd, and why I still think the answer is less centralised government and more local control.

Why is it absurd to make one vote have one value for the whole nation?
 

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I can see arguments both ways too. Before I looked it up, I only knew of the 2 most recent situations in which the winner had fewer actual votes. :D

Yes wasn't that with Obama too?
Then Romney should become president now. It's only fair.
 

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Yes wasn't that with Obama too?
Then Romney should become president now. It's only fair.

No, Romney had less votes that President Obama. President Obama had 65,915,795 and Mitt Romney had 60,933,504. Mitt was 5 million votes behind.
 

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Donald Trump 60,261,924 Hillary Clinton 60,828,358
 

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One is elected by people not by land area. Hillary Clinton has almost 600,000 more votes than Donald Trump. He lost. The election is rigged! He always said it was rigged. He didn't tell anybody that his side rigged it so he would be called winner even though he lost.
 

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Here's my suspicion...Trump accused the media of being on Hillary's side but it was really a ploy and he has them in his pocket. The media gave out just enough info on Hillary to make people turn and wow, Trump gets elected!

That last week there was an ad on tv and Clinton was extremely arrogant in it. I think that turned a lot of people off.
 

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One is elected by people not by land area. Hillary Clinton has almost 600,000 more votes than Donald Trump. He lost. The election is rigged! He always said it was rigged. He didn't tell anybody that his side rigged it so he would be called winner even though he lost.

A Dutch guy just posted this on christian chat forums, interesting:

https://youtu.be/V6s7jB6-GoU
 

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It's like you have a lot of countries, it's not one tiny country.
 

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Donald Trump is not president yet, he is only president elect. And even that is against the expressed voting wishes of more than 1/2 of the people who voted.
 

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Donald Trump is not president yet, he is only president elect. And even that is against the expressed voting wishes of more than 1/2 of the people who voted.

Yes, but those votes primarily come from urbanites, and their votes don't weigh as much. ;)
 

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Yes, but those votes primarily come from urbanites, and their votes don't weigh as much. ;)

By what right are city people less valuable in voting rights than non-city people? Who created that bit of stupidity :p
 

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Constitutional Origins

The Constitutional Convention of 1787 considered several methods of electing the President, including selection by Congress, by the governors of the states, by the state legislatures, by a special group of Members of Congress chosen by lot, and by direct popular election. Late in the convention, the matter was referred to the Committee of Eleven on Postponed Matters, which devised the electoral college system in its original form. This plan, which met with widespread approval by the delegates, was incorporated into the final document with only minor changes. It sought to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress, and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation.

The Constitution gave each state a number of electors equal to the combined total of its membership in the Senate (two to each state, the “senatorial” electors) and its delegation in the House of Representatives (currently ranging from one to 52 Members). The electors are chosen by the states “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct “(U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 1).

Qualifications for the office are broad: the only persons prohibited from serving as electors are Senators, Representatives, and persons “holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States.”
 
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