Three Days and Three Nights

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Luke 22:14 is interesting because to me it implies the 14th and final day for Yesua had begun (i.e. sundown) because it says "the hour had come." As the Passover Lamb, He would know which Nisan 14 and would not have said it until the time has come.
Or was it about the temple sacrifice of the lamb which took place between 3 and 4 oclock and would fit nicely
 

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Christ died on a Friday. Day one.
Christ was in the tome on Saturday. Day two.
Christ rose on a Sunday. Day three.
On the third day. Not "After exactly 72 hours on an atomic clock."
 

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Christ died on a Friday. Day one.
Christ was in the tome on Saturday. Day two.
Christ rose on a Sunday. Day three.
On the third day. Not "After exactly 72 hours on an atomic clock."
Friday night.. first night
Saturday night.. second night....

Yeshua was specific... three days and three nights...
 

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round & round it goes. If you really believe in precisely 72 hours, no more no less, then the resurrection happened on Saturday afternoon before Sunday started. But we know from the holy scriptures that the Lord rose on "the first day of the week" which is Sunday. So the Wednesday 72 hour theory fails from the start.
 

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Did you know that to the Hebrew mind, the first day of the week started when the sun set Saturday night?
 

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Did you know that to the Hebrew mind, the first day of the week started when the sun set Saturday night?

Is that a trick question?

Saturday afternoon (while the sun is still up) is not Sunday.
 

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You accused me of 72 hours... but it was you who first brought it up... I was just after as far as Yeshua specified... three days and three nights.
 

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You accused me of 72 hours... but it was you who first brought it up... I was just after as far as Yeshua specified... three days and three nights.

A Wednesday crucifixion with a Wednesday late afternoon entombment is part of Wednesday, All of Thursday, all of Friday, then either Saturday night and most of Saturday day time or all of Saturday, and finally some of Sunday night or none of it depending on if you claim the resurrection happened on Saturday in the late afternoon at almost exactly the same time of day as the entombment on late Wednesday afternoon or if you claim the resurrection happened on Sunday (as the scriptures claim). If you take the former then three days and three nights is preserved but the resurrection happens on the Seventh day not the first. If you take the latter then the resurrection takes place after three days and three nights and part of one additional day and part of one additional night.

|<----------4thDay--------E->||<----------5thDay---------->||<----------6thDay---------->||<----------7thDay--------R'>||<-R---------1stDay---------->|

E=Entoumbment
R'=Saturday late afternoon resurrection (contrary to the holy scriptures)
R=Sunday resurrection (according to the holy scriptures but after more than three days and three nights)

The ancient Churches claims three days thus:

|<----------6thDay--------E->||<----------7thDay---------->||<---------R-1stDay---------->|
 

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Hi Visionary :wave:

There is one large problem (as I see it) to all the effort trying reconcile all gospel accounts to get a clearer picture of the time frame of 3 days and nights. I also take it at Yeshua's word that 3 is literal and "nights" and "days" is not figurative, but the phrase is used deliberately.

I've read arguments that the time to start could be when Yeshua is captured, not necessarily after death and burial. I'm not sure, however.

Anyway, the largest problem I see with trying to reckon the correct day or time frame is this:

"On the first day of the week"

It is not properly translated. In Greek - the word for "first" is Protos, and "mia", the word for "one" is used here. This is as significant as saying in English - " I have one prize from the competition" and "I have first prize from the competition". They are not interchangeable words in English, and neither are Protos and "mia" interchangeable words in Greek.

The word "day" is not included in the Greek texts.

Thirdly, the word translated "week" is the plural form of "Sabbath" - so "Sabbaths". That is not because the Greeks didn't have a word for week - they did, and they did in the first century. That word is hebdoma. Literally, the correct rendering of the Greek into English is not "first day of the week" but rather:

"One of the sabbaths".
 

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Hi Visionary :wave:

There is one large problem (as I see it) to all the effort trying reconcile all gospel accounts to get a clearer picture of the time frame of 3 days and nights. I also take it at Yeshua's word that 3 is literal and "nights" and "days" is not figurative, but the phrase is used deliberately.

I've read arguments that the time to start could be when Yeshua is captured, not necessarily after death and burial. I'm not sure, however.

Anyway, the largest problem I see with trying to reckon the correct day or time frame is this:

"On the first day of the week"

It is not properly translated. In Greek - the word for "first" is Protos, and "mia", the word for "one" is used here. This is as significant as saying in English - " I have one prize from the competition" and "I have first prize from the competition". They are not interchangeable words in English, and neither are Protos and "mia" interchangeable words in Greek.

The word "day" is not included in the Greek texts.

Thirdly, the word translated "week" is the plural form of "Sabbath" - so "Sabbaths". That is not because the Greeks didn't have a word for week - they did, and they did in the first century. That word is hebdoma. Literally, the correct rendering of the Greek into English is not "first day of the week" but rather:

"One of the sabbaths".
One of the Sabbaths goes with the Sabbath counts of the countig of the omer. Back then the Jews did not name the days of the week but just counted towards the next Sabbath.. that is why you have "first day".. and the "Sabbaths" part is that this particular time has a 7 Sabbath count til Pentecost.
 

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One of the Sabbaths goes with the Sabbath counts of the countig of the omer. Back then the Jews did not name the days of the week but just counted towards the next Sabbath.. that is why you have "first day".. and the "Sabbaths" part is that this particular time has a 7 Sabbath count til Pentecost.

I've heard this argument and it sounds reasonable, but is there any examples in either the Bible or other ancient Jewish writings to back it up?

The type of examples I'm looking for would be this counting method expressed in either the bible or other ancient literature written by the Jews.

Ie: "It was 6 of the Sabbaths" , "It was 4 of the Sabbaths" etc referring to days of the week
 

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http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/m_calint.htm

With the exception of the Shabbat, the weekdays have no names. They are simply numbered:

alef yom rishon = "first day" = (Sunday)
bet yom sheni = "second day" = (Monday)
gimel yom sh'lishi = "third day" = (Tuesday)
dalet yom revi'i = "fourth day" = (Wednesday)
he yom chamishi = "fifth day" = (Thursday)
vav yom shishi = "sixth day" = (Friday)
The week culminates in the seventh day, the Holy Shabbat (shabbat kodesh, abbreviated sh''q).
 

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The phrase ‘first day of the week’ translated from ‘mia ton sabbaton.’ The Greek is simple and clear: mia means one. Protos means first. "sabbaton" is a plural, meaning "sabbaths."

This phrase occurs seven times in the Gospels, once here and in 1 Corinthians 16:2. All references are in relation to the Feast of First fruits and the counting of the omer. Every one. All point to ‘one of the Sabbaths.’ See Acts 20:6 and 16 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 & 8 to demonstrate that every occurrence in Scripture is related to counting the seven Sabbaths after Passover.

However, most translations of this passage render it the same as the King James Version does, namely, "the first day of the week" that a Christian reunion took place. Yet, even the KJV italicizes "day" to indicate it is not present, and is added as a help word. Other translations besides Green's render it as on "one of the Sabbaths" -- because Sabbaton is plural in Acts 20:7 --- Jubilee 2000, New English Bible, Good News for Modern Man.

Lev. 23:15, "You shall count ... seven Sabbaths shall be complete", From First Fruits to Pentecost.
 

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[MENTION=131]visionary[/MENTION]

My brother, already on another topic of the same subject, we already have discussed this issue.

Why are you starting it again or you did not know of the existence of this other discussions?

The wheel has already been invented. So please go that one and read all of the postings. There are some interesting issues that were brought up.

Remember, these posting are not to find out who is right or who is wrong.

IS NOT A COMPETITION

As good christians, we are trying to find the TRUTH, none other than JESUS.

So go to it and share what you know and let's get to know the TRUTH TOGETHER.

Peace to you and may God bless you.

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Sorry, I called you brother but you are a sister. My apologies. Anyhow, we are all creatures of God.

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14th of Abib. The Passover, the day of preparation. Not a sabbath, not a High sabbath. A Wednesday.

15th of Abib. The first day of unleavened bread. A high sabbath. The feast to be celebrated for seven days and day 7 another High Sabbath. A Thursday.

16th of Abib. A regular day. Sometimes may be a 7th day sabbath. Depending the calendar. The Feast of First Fruits when the priest waves the harvest of barley. Not always on Sunday or the first day of the week. The week that Jesus died, the 4th day of the week, followed by the First Day of Unleavened Bread. A six day of the week, a Friday.

17th of Abib. The regular day of rest. The sabbath. The day Jesus was resurrected. Not on the first day of the week. That week had 2 sabbaths. One High Sabbath and one regular sabbath.

So Jesús was not resurrected on the Day of First Fruits, He is God and His day is the Sabbath.

Also First Fruits is a moving Feast so is not always on Sunday. From this day you count the 50 days. Giving of the law and Pentecost. Not always a Sunday.

The Bible says is the 3rd day of the 3rd month. The jews say it is the 6th day of the 3rd month because they follow the lunar calendar. Read the place where it says the 3rd day of the 3rd month. It is mentioned a second time that is the same 3rd day. Jewish tradition says is 3+3 then the 6th day. I believe is incorrect.

Why? There is a way to prove it according to the first half of the solar year, not lunar. First day of Spring is March 20, Spring Equinox, when things start to get GREEN= Abib. Different from Nisan.

Why did the jews change what God told them about the start of their months? Human nature at its best. We think we know more than God and want to do it our way.

Spring Equinox to Fall Equinox, in the Northern hemisphere, has a total of 186 days. (Look it on an Almanac). Divide by 6 months and you get 6 months of 31 days each.

If you start the first day of the year as the Spring Equinox and then have 6 months of 31 days each. You get to September 22 the Fall Equinox. 186 days later. The half of this is Summer Solstice on June 21.

The first 3 months are then 31+31+31=93 days.

Start counting from day 16 of Abib, the 50 days until the SELF SAME DAY (this written in the word is very important) and day 50 falls on the 3rd day of the 3rd month. It proves that the original calendar was solar, not lunar.
God never says MY MOONS but your moons.

The second half of the year is 180 days on a leap year and each month should be 30 days. From Fall Equinox to Spring Equinox. The flood happened during this part of the year. 150 days divided 30 is equal to months.

Why did the jews changed Nisan for Abib? They were in Babylon when these things happened. Do you have a clue who did it? None other than the Devil. Since the beginning, he had a MASTER PLAN to derail everything that God did.

The jews incorporated pagan names on their calendar. Wrote new things while in Babylon. Is anybody seeing a trend? Investigate on all the things that happened to them while there. They got complacent and forgot God. When you do that, you loose. The Devil did it already and wants you to follow him.

I believe this is enough already.

Check it out and react to it in a positive way.

Thanks for reading this.

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14th of Abib. The Passover, the day of preparation. Not a sabbath, not a High sabbath. A Wednesday.

15th of Abib. The first day of unleavened bread. A high sabbath. The feast to be celebrated for seven days and day 7 another High Sabbath. A Thursday.

16th of Abib. A regular day. Sometimes may be a 7th day sabbath. Depending the calendar. The Feast of First Fruits when the priest waves the harvest of barley. Not always on Sunday or the first day of the week. The week that Jesus died, the 4th day of the week, followed by the First Day of Unleavened Bread. A six day of the week, a Friday.

17th of Abib. The regular day of rest. The sabbath. The day Jesus was resurrected. Not on the first day of the week. That week had 2 sabbaths. One High Sabbath and one regular sabbath.

So Jesús was not resurrected on the Day of First Fruits, He is God and His day is the Sabbath.

Also First Fruits is a moving Feast so is not always on Sunday. From this day you count the 50 days. Giving of the law and Pentecost. Not always a Sunday.

The Bible says is the 3rd day of the 3rd month. The jews say it is the 6th day of the 3rd month because they follow the lunar calendar. Read the place where it says the 3rd day of the 3rd month. It is mentioned a second time that is the same 3rd day. Jewish tradition says is 3+3 then the 6th day. I believe is incorrect.

Why? There is a way to prove it according to the first half of the solar year, not lunar. First day of Spring is March 20, Spring Equinox, when things start to get GREEN= Abib. Different from Nisan.

Why did the jews change what God told them about the start of their months? Human nature at its best. We think we know more than God and want to do it our way.

Spring Equinox to Fall Equinox, in the Northern hemisphere, has a total of 186 days. (Look it on an Almanac). Divide by 6 months and you get 6 months of 31 days each.

If you start the first day of the year as the Spring Equinox and then have 6 months of 31 days each. You get to September 22 the Fall Equinox. 186 days later. The half of this is Summer Solstice on June 21.

The first 3 months are then 31+31+31=93 days.

Start counting from day 16 of Abib, the 50 days until the SELF SAME DAY (this written in the word is very important) and day 50 falls on the 3rd day of the 3rd month. It proves that the original calendar was solar, not lunar.
God never says MY MOONS but your moons.

The second half of the year is 180 days on a leap year and each month should be 30 days. From Fall Equinox to Spring Equinox. The flood happened during this part of the year. 150 days divided 30 is equal to months.

Why did the jews changed Nisan for Abib? They were in Babylon when these things happened. Do you have a clue who did it? None other than the Devil. Since the beginning, he had a MASTER PLAN to derail everything that God did.

The jews incorporated pagan names on their calendar. Wrote new things while in Babylon. Is anybody seeing a trend? Investigate on all the things that happened to them while there. They got complacent and forgot God. When you do that, you loose. The Devil did it already and wants you to follow him.

I believe this is enough already.

Check it out and react to it in a positive way.

Thanks for reading this.

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interesting
but why do you speak as if GOD has no hand in the matter ?

ie -when they Jews were returned to jerusalem under Ezra and with the rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem under nehemiah etc .(forgot the order of it off hand )
was it man or GOD who caused this to be / was it man or god who re-established what was before the exile ?
i know we see in this text that it was fully Gods hand in it all ...

1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,
2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.
3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.
4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.
5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem.6 And all they that were about them strengthened their hands with vessels of silver, with gold, with goods, and with beasts, and with precious things, beside all that was willingly offered.
7 Also Cyrus the king brought forth the vessels of the house of the Lord, which Nebuchadnezzar had brought forth out of Jerusalem, and had put them in the house of his gods;
8 Even those did Cyrus king of Persia bring forth by the hand of Mithredath the treasurer, and numbered them unto Sheshbazzar, the prince of Judah.
9 And this is the number of them: thirty chargers of gold, a thousand chargers of silver, nine and twenty knives,
10 Thirty basons of gold, silver basons of a second sort four hundred and ten, and other vessels a thousand.
11 All the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand and four hundred. All these did Sheshbazzar bring up with them of the captivity that were brought up from Babylon unto Jerusalem.

so we see fully it was the hand of god not of man .

we also see later that they wept in jerusalem ..the young rejoicing at the re-establishment of the ways of the God of Israel and the old who remembered what they had lost and had know of their shame ,weeping .they had suffered a generational time under bondage and slavery ,they had no heart for the things of babylon for they were all the ones whom the SPIRIT OF GOD had raised up to return them to jerusalem.not those whose hearts had turned to babylonian ways in their exile . the scripture makes the distinction ,always for good reason .
 

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[MENTION=131]visionary[/MENTION]

Come on to the other discussion of this same subject.

The Hoax discussion should come over to the other 3s

The SUNDAY idea has been totally pulverized.

WHY? Is not the truth. But people still do not know it.

Let me show you a sample:

There were 4 hikers up in a National Forest called "Truthful Mountain" that contained a beautiful valley called the "Valley of Death."

Hiker 1
Was listening to beautiful music on 77.7 Radio in his earphones and it is interrupted by an alert:
"To all those people located in the Valley of Death, we notify you to go to higher ground because the Killer Dam up the river is breaking apart and very soon will flood the valley and anybody there risks drowning.
Our hiker gathers his/her belongings and starts climbing the nearest hill to get to higher ground inmediatedly.

Hiker 2
In the same situation of H1, H2 listens to the alert and says to himself/herself, I'll start climbing after I finish cooking and have my lunch.

Hiker 3
Also hiking through the valley. Is listening to radio music but does not listen to the alert because is listening to 66.6 Radio that did not pass the message of the problem with the dam. (Dam Daniel) He continued strolling through the meadow.

Hiker 4
Also hiking through the valley, H4 stops under a tree to relax and to get a drink of water. After H4 does drinks several gulps, searches for H4 personal cd/radio, finds it, inserts the earphones in H4 ears, turns the power on and nothing happens. The batteries were dead. So H4 was not able to hear the message.

3 minutes later, the "Killer Dam" breaks and rushing water fills the valley in a matter of seconds. Like it happens in slot canyons. Nobody can survive the onrashing avalanche of a mountain of water.

BY NOW YOU SHOULD KNOW THE RESULTS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 4 HIKERS.

THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU IF YOU ARE NOT TUNING TO 77.7 RADIO AND DON'T TAKE ACTION INMEDIATELY.

SHALOM. PEACE BROTHERS.

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