Sinners Prayer in the Bible?

[ImaginaryDay2]

The innuendos that posters are worldly or "hate God's word and cling to worldly teaching" are getting a bit out of hand. Let's stick to your topic.

 

[MennoSota]

The innuendos that posters are worldly or "hate God's word and cling to worldly teaching" are getting a bit out of hand. Let's stick to your topic.

Agreed, which is why Calvin needs to be left out of the conversation. My text for this topic is scripture, not worthless feelings about a dead Christian man from 500 years back.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Agreed, which is why Calvin needs to be left out of the conversation. My text for this topic is scripture, not worthless feelings about a dead Christian man from 500 years back.

Yet the whole of Christianity is based on how people feel about dead men from 2,000 years back.

There's a problem with dismissing those who have died. It is so obvious a problem that one hesitates to mention it. But Jesus said it this way "Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the story about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is God not of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong. "

 

[Imalive]

It comes from scripture. Not once have I referenced Calvin. Instead I have pointed to scripture, scripture, scripture. Why would you hate God's word and cling to worldly teachings not found in scripture?
Even your reasoning given for disliking Calvin is worldly and unbiblical.
You are showing, time and time again that you couldn't care less about the Bible, but instead care about your feelings and emotions. Such an attitude is ungodly and worldly. You should be ashamed.

No this comes from religion from Calvin or whoever. Peter said repent and be baptized. Repentence and confessing Jesus is from the Bible. Every sentence from our sinners prayer comes from the Bible. I do not deny God does it all. Its no contradiction at all.
No I care about the Bible. I dont care about tradition and religion. Everyone who made a theology just throws half of the verses out to make up a theology.
You seriously believe God shows a murderer how ppl can get saved? Look at the fruit. At least Paul first converted and repented of murders before he wrote the Bible.

 

[Imalive]

And the Trinity. Some Calvin burns a converted Jew on the stake, doesn't even repent. Jesus said they will kill you and believe they do God a favor, but they will do that cause they don't know either Me or the Father.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Nobody is at risk of being burnt here. Nevertheless the doctrine of the Trinity is important. Just like the doctrine of the incarnation is important. That is why the first creeds are about the Trinity and the Incarnation.

 

[MennoSota]

Yet the whole of Christianity is based on how people feel about dead men from 2,000 years back.

There's a problem with dismissing those who have died. It is so obvious a problem that one hesitates to mention it. But Jesus said it this way "Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the story about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is God not of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong. "

The scripture teaches what I shared. Other saints read the scriptures as well. Once again, you and Imalive deflect the issue away from God's word and onto lesser things.
I note that neither of you have actually addressed the scripture.

 

[MennoSota]

No this comes from religion from Calvin or whoever. Peter said repent and be baptized. Repentence and confessing Jesus is from the Bible. Every sentence from our sinners prayer comes from the Bible. I do not deny God does it all. Its no contradiction at all.
No I care about the Bible. I dont care about tradition and religion. Everyone who made a theology just throws half of the verses out to make up a theology.
You seriously believe God shows a murderer how ppl can get saved? Look at the fruit. At least Paul first converted and repented of murders before he wrote the Bible.

Really?
The letter to the Romans, the letter to the Ephesians, the letter to the Colossians, etc., they come from "religion" and not from God?
You are denying God's word to hold your own views. This now becomes serious when you outright refuse what God says in his word.
I have shared scripture. You are rejecting what the Bible says. Go read what I have shared.
You are the one screaming that it is from someone other than God, yet I have shared God's word.
Think about what you are now doing. It does not come from God.

 

[Imalive]

Really?
The letter to the Romans, the letter to the Ephesians, the letter to the Colossians, etc., they come from "religion" and not from God?
You are denying God's word to hold your own views. This now becomes serious when you outright refuse what God says in his word.
I have shared scripture. You are rejecting what the Bible says. Go read what I have shared.
You are the one screaming that it is from someone other than God, yet I have shared God's word.
Think about what you are now doing. It does not come from God.

No those texts are from God and the ones I shared too. They dont contradict each other. Just this teaching I hear in Holland that ppl are in church for 40 years and still dont even know if theyre saved cause the sinners prayer is no good, that comes from Calvin. Only highlight half of the texts. And it turns some into atheists. Some? A lot. This country aint even christian anymore. It used to be calvinist.

 

[Imalive]

Ian McCormack was an atheist. He got saved just before he died cause he said: if there is a God help me to pray. Then he saw texts. God gave him the our Father. He prayed it, asked forgiveness, gave his life, forgave those who sinned against him and went to heaven and came back. He's saved now by praying the our Father and by God doing it, but the prayer wasnt unbiblical.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The scripture teaches what I shared. Other saints read the scriptures as well. Once again, you and Imalive deflect the issue away from God's word and onto lesser things.
I note that neither of you have actually addressed the scripture.

"Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the story about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is God not of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong. " is scripture. It is from Matthew 22:32

 

[Imalive]

"Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the story about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is God not of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong. " is scripture. It is from Matthew 22:32

That is fun text to pluck out of context.
'You are quite wrong', yup God said it in the Bible, it's Biblical.
Lol one preacher once called us fat cows as to say you cant just pluck and apply texts

 

[MoreCoffee]

That is fun text to pluck out of context.
'You are quite wrong', yup God said it in the Bible, it's Biblical.
Lol one preacher once called us fat cows as to say you cant just pluck and apply texts

Okay, I'll not spend more time on that matter with you. Believe whatever you like.

 

[NewCreation435]

Really?
The letter to the Romans, the letter to the Ephesians, the letter to the Colossians, etc., they come from "religion" and not from God?
You are denying God's word to hold your own views. This now becomes serious when you outright refuse what God says in his word.
I have shared scripture. You are rejecting what the Bible says. Go read what I have shared.
You are the one screaming that it is from someone other than God, yet I have shared God's word.
Think about what you are now doing. It does not come from God.

there comes a time when further conversation with someone you disagree with is no longer profitable. I would suggest if you don't like her answers that you put her posts on ignore and move on.

 

[MennoSota]

No those texts are from God and the ones I shared too. They dont contradict each other. Just this teaching I hear in Holland that ppl are in church for 40 years and still dont even know if theyre saved cause the sinners prayer is no good, that comes from Calvin. Only highlight half of the texts. And it turns some into atheists. Some? A lot. This country aint even christian anymore. It used to be calvinist.

It doesn't come from Calvin.

We don't find the sinners prayer in the Bible.

There is no contradiction regarding God’s word. There is no contradiction that the work of adoption is all God's work and nothing of ours.
Please show from scripture how humans generate their own faith by their own will. I will wait for your presentation.

 

[MennoSota]

"Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the story about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is God not of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong. " is scripture. It is from Matthew 22:32

God gave Abraham the gift of faith. Abraham did not manufacturer faith on his own.
The "I Am" did the work.
Until God makes a person spiritually alive, their spirits are dead in trespasses and sin.
Please show even one instance where a dead person makes a choice. I'll wait for your biblical presentation.

 

[MennoSota]

there comes a time when further conversation with someone you disagree with is no longer profitable. I would suggest if you don't like her answers that you put her posts on ignore and move on.

Thanks for the suggestion. This is not about liking or disliking (it's not about feelings), this is about biblical truth versus non-biblical teaching. I cannot stay silent when false teaching is promoted as truth.

 

[Albion]

To be more accurate, it's about different posters' interpretation of scripture...along with the unexplained dismissal of the other one's interpretation as being nothing but his church's -- or some church's -- 'traditions,' 'worldly teachings,' or 'religion.'

 

[psalms 91]

God gave Abraham the gift of faith. Abraham did not manufacturer faith on his own.
The "I Am" did the work.
Until God makes a person spiritually alive, their spirits are dead in trespasses and sin.
Please show even one instance where a dead person makes a choice. I'll wait for your biblical presentation.

However, does it not say that Abraham was blessed because he believed the promise? Called free will, he could have rejected or believed, his choice, and doesnt it seem strange that God would bless something that He gave him and Abraham had nothing to do with?

 

[MennoSota]

However, does it not say that Abraham was blessed because he believed the promise? Called free will, he could have rejected or believed, his choice, and doesnt it seem strange that God would bless something that He gave him and Abraham had nothing to do with?

Yes, but the ability to believe the promise came through God giving the gift of faith. Abraham did not conjure up his own faith.
How might we know this?
Look at how Abraham lied about Sarah being his sister rather than his wife. Also, look at how Abraham agreed to birth a child through Hagar. Those are hardly acts of faith in the flesh.
Faith, saving faith, is a gift from God. It is that gift of faith from God that made Abraham righteous, not anything Abraham did himself. If it was Abraham doing it then Abraham could boast about himself. But, the faith Abraham had was entirely given to him by God.

Abraham was blessed by the faith God gave him. Why is that hard to grasp?