RANSOM FOR MANY OR ALL ?

[Particular]

Let's see....

1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all

2 Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself as a ransom for all.


and many, many more that state the same truth


Let's see the verse that states, "Jesus did NOT die for all people but ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for a few."


You've had enough time to find that verse and obviously you can't (and I think everyone knows why) so I think we should stick with what God has said instead. And thus reject this HORRIBLE denomination tradition invented by a few radical Calvinists 500 years ago.







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Go through your pet verses and provide contextual teaching on those passages.
You won't do so because you know the context proves you wrong. Instead, you will just cut and paste your sola lutherana message and claim the context of scripture was made up 500 years ago.o

 

[Particular]

Let's look at 1 John.

1 John 1:1-10 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us— that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. And we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete. This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:1-17 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard. At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, becausethe darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining. Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven for his name’s sake. I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father. I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one. Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

When we look at the context to whom do we see John writing? Is "my little children" the entire world? Is his letter intended to all human beings or to all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ? Therefore when John refers to the sins of the whole world, is he referring to all the reprobates who never believe and will never believe? If so, then the world is universally saved. If not, then what does the whole world refer to? This is easily answered when we read John's description of heaven where he tells us that there are believers from every nation, tribe and tongue in heaven. From all the world, God chose his children to be redeemed.

So, Josiah and Lazy, are you universalists or is the ransom not applied to all, but to a limited number?

 

[Particular]

Let's look at Hebrews:

Hebrews 1:1-14 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” Of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.” But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.” And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”? Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

Hebrews 2:1-18 Therefore we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it. For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution, how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard, while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere, “What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him? You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet.” Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” And again, “I will put my trust in him.” And again, “Behold, I and the children God has given me.” Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Josiah and Lazy, read what God says. Notice how the writer clarifies who the "everyone" is in verse 9 of chapter 2. Notice how this passage clarifies the "whole world" of 1 John 2:2.

I love Hebrews 2 because it clearly expresses that the ransom is not for the universal world, but for the children of Abraham (the promise - see Romans 9) whom God gave to Jesus (see John 10).

These are the first two prooftexts that Josiah used and he is now debunked by scripture. Shall I proceed further?

You both are arguing a falsehood not argued in scripture.

 

[Josiah]

You have shared one verse from here and another verse from there.

You've shared no verse. Just parroted (endlessly for almost a year) the new tradition of your singular denomination.



Let's see what Scripture states....

1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all

2 Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself as a ransom for all.


and many, many more that state the same truth


Let's see the verse that states, "Jesus did NOT die for all people but ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for a few."


You've had enough time to find that verse and obviously you can't (and I think everyone knows why) so I think we should stick with what God has said instead. And thus reject this HORRIBLE denomination tradition invented by a few radical Calvinists 500 years ago.




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[Josiah]

Try thinking....

If I posted "I love my son" does that prove as dogma that I do not love my wife? If I write, "Donald Trump is an American" does that prove as dogma that ergo Joe Biden is not? Especially if elsewhere I specifically post "I love my wife" and "Joe Biden is an American?" Think about that. It might be an epiphany. Look at all the times that Scripture boldly, clearly, verbatim, repeatedly notes Jesus died for all, for the entire world, for everyone- over and over again. Yeah, it says He died for the Elect but as you keep proving, it never says ONLY for the Elect. Your entire denomination tradition is entirely absent in the Bible as you seem so determined to prove.


Your entirely new tradition rests on ONLY, a FEW, exclusively for just SOME. You need something that cancels the "all" with "NOT all, just some, only a few." Your posting verses that don't do that only proves you are still looking for some verse, somewhere in the Bible, that says Jesus did not die for all but only for some few. Calvinists have been looking for nearly 500 years, since they invented this weird, horrible tradition of that denomination. Until some radical Calvinist can find something from God that contradicts all the "ALL" "EVERYONE" "WHOLE WORLD" etc., I think it wise to stick with wht God says rather than this denomination tradition. Seems wisest.


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[Particular]

You've shared no verse. Just parroted (endlessly for almost a year) the new tradition of your singular denomination.



Let's see what Scripture states....

1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all

2 Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself as a ransom for all.


and many, many more that state the same truth


Let's see the verse that states, "Jesus did NOT die for all people but ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for a few."


You've had enough time to find that verse and obviously you can't (and I think everyone knows why) so I think we should stick with what God has said instead. And thus reject this HORRIBLE denomination tradition invented by a few radical Calvinists 500 years ago.




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I just went through your first two citations and proved your assertion incorrect. At this point, you have stopped being rational and have submerged into your copy and paste denial. Run along to your sola lutherana world.

 

[Lazy Suesun]

You have shared one verse from here and another verse from there. Jehovah's Witness, Mormons and Muslims do that. Have you looked into the context of all those verses you shared? I have. None of your verses are claiming that Jesus ransomed the entire world when he died on the cross. In fact, they all point to the fact that Jesus ransom was only for all who will believe.
If you argue that Jesus effectively ransomed all the world by his death, then you must also argue that all who are ransomed are also saved. To state anything less is to declare that Jesus did not ransom all.

Please, don't be lazy. Go through every verse and read them in the context of the letter or book in which they reside. You will see that I am not speaking falsely.

You're now speaking devilishly when you resort to personal insult thinking that back road is a means of sponsoring proper exegesis.
It isn't. We're done here. I don't join Christian forums to be insulted or called names.

You don't agree with God's word that is not my issue. Your doctrine doesn't comport with what I share that is God's word, that is not my problem.
Lying about my exegesis is yours.
We're done here.

 

[Josiah]

Go through your pet verses and provide contextual teaching on those passages.

I have no need to be a spin doctor. I have no need to take every verse on this - all of which verbatim, word-for-word, over and over, boldly and clearly and undeniably state exactly as Christianity has said for 2000 years - and scream, "But God MEANT the exact opposite of what He literally and repeatedly said!" I have no need to do that. That's your problem.


On a couple of occasions, you TRIED to defend how God doesn't mean what He clearly, undeniably, boldly repeatedly says (over and over) but how to keep you from being contradicted, you very radically SPIN God's words 180 degrees, insisting actually God MEANT the exact opposite of what He so often, so clearly, verbatim said. Bad way to approach Scripture. Bad way to treat God.


And while I have shared MANY Scriptures that clearly state Jesus died "for all" "for everyone" ... you have joined with your fellow Calvinists who for 500 years in TRYING to find SOMETHING, ANYTHING in Scripture, no matter what, something that says "No, Jesus died for ONLY some" but like the rest, you can't find it. You are just left with having to be a radical spin doctor, trying to insist over and over that God meant the exact opposite of what He stated on this point. So clearly. So boldly. Verbatim. Repeatedly. Every time.



1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all

2 Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself as a ransom for all.


and many, many more that state the same truth



Let's see the verse that states, "Jesus did NOT die for all people but ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for a few." When you find that verse, let us know. Until then, I'm sticking with what God says. Seems wisest.





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[Particular]

I have no need to be a spin doctor. I have no need to take every verse on this - all of which verbatim, word-for-word, over and over, boldly and clearly and undeniably state exactly as Christianity has said for 2000 years - and scream, "But God MEANT the exact opposite of what He literally and repeatedly said!" I have no need to do that. That's your problem.


On a couple of occasions, you TRIED to defend how God doesn't mean what He clearly, undeniably, boldly repeatedly says (over and over) but how to keep you from being contradicted, you very radically SPIN God's words 180 degrees, insisting actually God MEANT the exact opposite of what He so often, so clearly, verbatim said. Bad way to approach Scripture. Bad way to treat God.


And while I have shared MANY Scriptures that clearly state Jesus died "for all" "for everyone" ... you have joined with your fellow Calvinists who for 500 years in TRYING to find SOMETHING, ANYTHING in Scripture, no matter what, something that says "No, Jesus died for ONLY some" but like the rest, you can't find it. You are just left with having to be a radical spin doctor, trying to insist over and over that God meant the exact opposite of what He stated on this point. So clearly. So boldly. Verbatim. Repeatedly. Every time.



1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all

2 Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself as a ransom for all.


and many, many more that state the same truth



Let's see the verse that states, "Jesus did NOT die for all people but ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for a few." When you find that verse, let us know. Until then, I'm sticking with what God says. Seems wisest.





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You absolutely need to explain the text. But, you won't because you know you are quoting in a misleading way that is no different than what a Muslim, a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness does with the Bible. Congratulations in being in that company, Josiah.
Now, either explain the text or accept I have correctly understood God's word.

 

[Particular]

You're now speaking devilishly when you resort to personal insult thinking that back road is a means of sponsoring proper exegesis.
It isn't. We're done here. I don't join Christian forums to be insulted or called names.

You don't agree with God's word that is not my issue. Your doctrine doesn't comport with what I share that is God's word, that is not my problem.
Lying about my exegesis is yours.
We're done here.

Quit being lazy and attacking me. Explain the text and show how the context teaches your position. If you cannot, then your claim is as illegitimate as Josiah's.

 

[Particular]

I have no need to be a spin doctor.
Let's see the verse that states, "Jesus did NOT die for all people but ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for a few." When you find that verse, let us know. Until then, I'm sticking with what God says. Seems wisest.[/B]

I have already done so in this thread, but you reject it because it doesn't have the exact phrase you demand.

Go back to your sola lutherana, Josiah. It's clear you don't have a biblical case to stand on.

 

[atpollard]

Because the elect couldn't really be totally depraved if they were able to be reached by God when he felt it was time to bring them into his fold. Otherwise, "Totality" would be a misnomer.

The “Total” in Total Depravity (aka Total Inability) is a measure of the breath (width) of sin’s corruption of human beings, not the depth of sin’s corruption. All people are not totally evil sociopaths according to the “T” of TULIP. However every part of each human being, our flesh, our mind and our spirit, has been corrupted by sin’s influence.

Total Depravity means that the flesh of a natural man desires the pleasures of the world rather than to serve God. (Do you disagree that scripture teaches that the flesh of the unsaved desires what is contrary to the Law of God?)

Total Depravity means that the mind of an unregenerate man is drawn towards thoughts that are contrary to the thoughts of God. (Do you disagree that scripture teaches this?)

Total Depravity means that the spirit of a fallen man cannot please God and does not naturally love God. (Do you disagree with Romans and other scriptures that speak of men as haters of God?)

Ephesians 2:1-10 describes people that start out “spiritually dead” and living as enemies of God and deserving of wrath (Totally Depraved) that end up as God’s workmanship created to do the good works that God prepared for them to do. The credit and the difference is all because of what God does in between Ephesians 2:1 and Ephesians 2:10.

Feel free to hate and reject the doctrine of Total Depravity if you want, but at least hate what it really teaches.

 

[atpollard]

I have shared scripture as well. You've made up your mind. I leave you to the God you believe you deserve. Please, do not ever presume you speak of mine.

@Particular
She has a point. As a non-trinitarian/non-Nicene Creed “Christian”, she may very well not worship Jesus Christ as LORD (I AM). Therefore she and we may not worship the same God.

 

[atpollard]

The acceptance that Jesus died for all was universally held by ALL Christians, churches and denominations until a very few radical later-day Calvinists invented

... [cough] Augustine [cough] ...

 

[atpollard]

Now back to the issue..... Is Scripture and 100% of Christians before 1600 and maybe 99% since correct and Jesus died for all? Or are a tiny few radical Calvinists since the 16th Century correct and He did not, just for a few? Which is it? THAT'S the sole, exclusive issue of this thread.

Scripture is correct that Jesus died for 100% of His sheep and none of the goats that he “never knew”.

If Christian truth is decided by a majority vote, then ...

• the Pope is Christ on earth,
• the Church can sell forgiveness (indulgences),
• Mary is co-redemptrix,
• people go to purgatory after death to pay for sins before getting into heaven
• we should all be praying to the dead Saints to intercede for us.
• the list goes on ...

 

[atpollard]

You've shared no verse. Just parroted (endlessly for almost a year) the new tradition of your singular denomination.

That is a fib. Particular has both posted and explained (exegete) many verses in many posts. You may, and probably do, disagree with his explanation and interpretation. However it is not honest to claim that he has “shared no verse”.

 

[Lazy Suesun]

@Particular
She has a point. As a non-trinitarian/non-Nicene Creed “Christian”, she may very well not worship Jesus Christ as LORD (I AM). Therefore she and we may not worship the same God.

Really? I'll say this as a relative newbie here. If your site is intolerant of those who do not believe as the handful here do, if this site is dedicated to an exclusive belief system, doctrine, dogma, then in fairness to anyone who happens upon your site, you should inform the public of the facts.
Otherwise, appearing inviting to Christians, but then imparting one is not a Christian because they do not comport with your belief system appears dishonest. And that you enjoy casting aside what is suppose to be a grace filled state of consciousness, in order to throw shade as a hobby.

Rest assured, I am a Christian. Not the quotation marks kind that you use to impart I am not one.

I'm non-trinitarian because God did not teach that he was triune. Jesus was I AM. Jesus was God. Emmanuel=God with us.
Isaiah 43:10-11
“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Deuteronomy 6:4“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!"

Psalm 83:18
That they may know that You alone, whose name is the Lord,
Are the Most High over all the earth

 

[atpollard]

Really? I'll say this as a relative newbie here. If your site is intolerant of those who do not believe as the handful here do, if this site is dedicated to an exclusive belief system, doctrine, dogma, then in fairness to anyone who happens upon your site, you should inform the public of the facts.
Otherwise, appearing inviting to Christians, but then imparting one is not a Christian because they do not comport with your belief system appears dishonest. And that you enjoy casting aside what is suppose to be a grace filled state of consciousness, in order to throw shade as a hobby.

For someone that slings criticism freely, you seem to take offense easily. I simply observed that you indicated that you rejected either the Trinity or Nicene creed. I had no way to know what in either of those you rejected. If you rejected the Deity of Christ, like Jehovah’s Witnesses do, then you would not have been a Christian (little Christ). If you objected to the phrase “catholic church“ in the Nicene Creed, then you clearly would be a Christian. I simply pointed out the possibility that you might indeed worship another god, or you might worship the true God. That is why I placed the word Christian in quotes.

I would call your attention to the fact that the post of yours from which I quoted left no ambiguity at all that in your opinion @Particular did not worship the true God. So your deep offense at the mere suggestion that the same might apply to you seems a bit hypocritical.

 

[Particular]

Really? I'll say this as a relative newbie here. If your site is intolerant of those who do not believe as the handful here do, if this site is dedicated to an exclusive belief system, doctrine, dogma, then in fairness to anyone who happens upon your site, you should inform the public of the facts.
Otherwise, appearing inviting to Christians, but then imparting one is not a Christian because they do not comport with your belief system appears dishonest. And that you enjoy casting aside what is suppose to be a grace filled state of consciousness, in order to throw shade as a hobby.

Rest assured, I am a Christian. Not the quotation marks kind that you use to impart I am not one.

I'm non-trinitarian because God did not teach that he was triune. Jesus was I AM. Jesus was God. Emmanuel=God with us.
Isaiah 43:10-11
“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Deuteronomy 6:4“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!"

Psalm 83:18
That they may know that You alone, whose name is the Lord,
Are the Most High over all the earth

So...back up. I missed this fact that you don't accept the Trinity. I was focused on the topic, "ransomed for all or for many."
You declare that Jesus is God, the I Am, but God is not one being and three person's, equally God.
Are you a modalist? Do you believe there a 3 different God's? What? (This is completely off-topic so feel free to start a new topic).
The concern here, in this topic, is whether the atonement of Jesus actually ransomed all or did it ransom only some.

My contention is: If Jesus actually ransomed all, then all are actually redeemed, saved, found in Christ, united with Christ, seated in the heavenlies with Christ. All means all, universally.

If Jesus actually ransomed all the sheep, but not the goats, then all whom the Father has given him are actually redeemed, saved found in Christ, united with Christ, are seated in the heavenlies with Christ. All the elect are accounted for.

There is no middle ground. All doesn't mean all, universally, but only some actually. Such a position cannot be made by quoting a couple verses, like Josiah has done, and then refusing to explain them. That's not sola scriptura. Martin Luther would have never done such a thing. He would have explained how he arrived at his position. But, Josiah refuses to do so.
You have done no different. You claim 2 Peter 3:9, but you have never explained the text that comes before and after, which explains what Peter is saying in verse 9. It is not too much for me to request that you do so.
Let us sharpen iron and be blessed by our willingness to dig deep into God's word. Tossing a verse around, as though it proves a point, without really studying the verse and its surrounding context, is just...well... it's just lazy.

 

[Josiah]

Particular has both posted and explained (exegete) many verses in many posts.

Wrong.

He has presented a very small number of verses, none of which state that Jesus did not die for all but for just a few. NONE of them remotely supports his view, as is obvious to any and all. Meanwhile, he has taken the MANY verses that specifically, directly, verbatim, boldly state that Jesus DID die "for all" "for everyone" "for all others" "for the whole world" and tried to spin them 180 degrees, insisting that what Scripture so often, so clearly states actually "means" the exact opposite.

He has shared a few verses. But none of them state what he does. It all seems to pin on his assumption that if Scripture says Jesus died for St. Paul ergo it is a dogmatic fact He died for no one else. It is a silly and absurd hermeneutic but it seems all he has since he can't find any verse that says what he does, while insisting Scripture does (he just can't find where).




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