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[Andrew]

There is nothing wrong with praising and rejoice, I agree. The problem comes when people expect to be uplifted and relying on emotions instead of knowing that we're fed by God's Word and Sacrament whether we are joyous or not in that reception. His Word will not return to Him empty.

I always feel uplifted after I go to church, I start feeling a little crummy if is a miss a week or two, my dad feels great when he does go to his Catholic church and as of lately he has been depressed I told him he needs to go to church (lol they used to tell me now I tell them) point is, general church is just good for us and we feel better when we go. I don't go to catch a feeling I walk in that way already

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[tango]

I always feel uplifted after I go to church, I start feeling a little crummy if is a miss a week or two, my dad feels great when he does go to his Catholic church and as of lately he has been depressed I told him he needs to go to church (lol they used to tell me now I tell them) point is, general church is just good for us and we feel better when we go. I don't go to catch a feeling I walk in that way already

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It's good that you feel uplifted after going to church. The problem comes when you don't feel uplifted for a couple of Sundays because then you have to decide whether church is more about feeling good or praising God regardless of how you feel.

 

[Imalive]

It's good that you feel uplifted after going to church. The problem comes when you don't feel uplifted for a couple of Sundays because then you have to decide whether church is more about feeling good or praising God regardless of how you feel.

If you're grumpy in our church during the worship or worried about stuff, he stops it and says: Go praise the Lord!! LOL. I was once very down and stuff happened before we went there. I was singing like some bored automatic pilot.
Okay STOP! Go praise the Lord!!! Love it. Grumpiness was gone immediately.

 

[Andrew]

If you're grumpy in our church during the worship or worried about stuff, he stops it and says: Go praise the Lord!! LOL. I was once very down and stuff happened before we went there. I was singing like some bored automatic pilot.
Okay STOP! Go praise the Lord!!! Love it. Grumpiness was gone immediately.

Like to you personally? Or does everyone start praising and you become sort of the focus so to speak or do you go to the other room to praise? Lol
Tango, I used to believe I was like that and fortunately its not the case for me, I believe you said that you used to go to some of these churches "been there done that" and maybe you had a hunch about that, but I learned that I just love praising the Lord with other people, its kind of silly to sing praise and jump around at home alone lol it wont stop me from going to other churches if God leads me there but when I want to praise in his presence I will always find a humble little pentecostal to liberate my spirit in the way that would otherwise make me look mental to on lookers lol

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[tango]

If you're grumpy in our church during the worship or worried about stuff, he stops it and says: Go praise the Lord!! LOL. I was once very down and stuff happened before we went there. I was singing like some bored automatic pilot.
Okay STOP! Go praise the Lord!!! Love it. Grumpiness was gone immediately.

You don't necessarily have to be grumpy to go through a time when you just don't feel God's presence as much as you sometimes do. I've had times when I've considered leaving a church because I just didn't feel like I was connecting any more but I'm thankful I didn't leave because it was just an issue of feelings being transient.

Your comment about "go praise the Lord" is a good one - even if something is a sacrifice of praise in the sense that we really don't feel like praising it can be good for us to take the focus off of ourselves. I think it's in Habakkuk where it basically says "even though everything has gone south I will still praise God", and of course there was Job who praised God despite all his afflictions even though he probably didn't feel too good about much of anything at the time.

 

[tango]

Like to you personally? Or does everyone start praising and you become sort of the focus so to speak or do you go to the other room to praise? Lol
Tango, I used to believe I was like that and fortunately its not the case for me, I believe you said that you used to go to some of these churches "been there done that" and maybe you had a hunch about that, but I learned that I just love praising the Lord with other people, its kind of silly to sing praise and jump around at home alone lol it wont stop me from going to other churches if God leads me there but when I want to praise in his presence I will always find a humble little pentecostal to liberate my spirit in the way that would otherwise make me look mental to on lookers lol

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I've been to the kind of churches where people have their hands in the air before the musicians have finished playing the first bar, where everybody was about jumping and waving their arms and the "hey, look at me" kind of thing that was called worship. I don't know what was in their hearts but it did often seem to me that much of the most "expressive worship" was done at the front of the church where everybody could see. I was always more interested in the person who went to the back of the church and knelt quietly than the person who was leaping around waving flags at the front.

You can praise in God's presence any time and and place you want. It's not as if God can only be found in certain buildings designated as "churches". The first time I was ever invited to preach at a church I went for a long walk in the woods to consider what I wanted to say. Where I went to hike is pretty remote - it's far from rare for me to spend a whole day walking and not see another person - so spending time praying while sitting on a rock, or indeed kneeling on the trail, wasn't the sort of thing that screamed out "look at what I'm doing" because the chances of anyone else seeing were vanishingly small. Even so, I distinctly remember reaching the top of one of the bigger local hills, the sun beating down on me, spending time in God's presence and every little thing that happened lifted my spirits. A vulture isn't the same as an eagle but even so when a vulture circled overhead all I could think was the verse in Isaiah about "rise on wings like eagles". At one point I was walking down the trail with my hands in the air and my head lifted towards the skies (that trail was sufficiently even I didn't have to watch every step for loose rocks). Not something I'd want to do in a crowded area, but in the middle of nowhere it didn't seem inappropriate at all. No humble little pentecostal required, I would probably have looked very odd to onlookers had there been any, just spending time getting away from it all and praying.

 

[Andrew]

I've been to the kind of churches where people have their hands in the air before the musicians have finished playing the first bar, where everybody was about jumping and waving their arms and the "hey, look at me" kind of thing that was called worship. I don't know what was in their hearts but it did often seem to me that much of the most "expressive worship" was done at the front of the church where everybody could see. I was always more interested in the person who went to the back of the church and knelt quietly than the person who was leaping around waving flags at the front.

You can praise in God's presence any time and and place you want. It's not as if God can only be found in certain buildings designated as "churches". The first time I was ever invited to preach at a church I went for a long walk in the woods to consider what I wanted to say. Where I went to hike is pretty remote - it's far from rare for me to spend a whole day walking and not see another person - so spending time praying while sitting on a rock, or indeed kneeling on the trail, wasn't the sort of thing that screamed out "look at what I'm doing" because the chances of anyone else seeing were vanishingly small. Even so, I distinctly remember reaching the top of one of the bigger local hills, the sun beating down on me, spending time in God's presence and every little thing that happened lifted my spirits. A vulture isn't the same as an eagle but even so when a vulture circled overhead all I could think was the verse in Isaiah about "rise on wings like eagles". At one point I was walking down the trail with my hands in the air and my head lifted towards the skies (that trail was sufficiently even I didn't have to watch every step for loose rocks). Not something I'd want to do in a crowded area, but in the middle of nowhere it didn't seem inappropriate at all. No humble little pentecostal required, I would probably have looked very odd to onlookers had there been any, just spending time getting away from it all and praying.

Beautiful! Yes I was talking about how onlookers would see me, out in the woods I could do the same for sure but when I said presence I just meant "before the Lord" so when I do praise its always "before the Lord" I just prefer going to the church because im either at work or around my parents although at work (most of the day) I do jump around and start mumbling tongues in praise, they might think its weird but they actually enjoy my glow and they generally become more joyful as well

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[user1234]

Hiyall!
I popped in on the tongues thread because I

jushundawanna wish

everybkuddny a

MerrrrrINGAmakaidy

Christmassssooooooweeeeet!!!

Merry Christmas and God bless you all. :cheer:

 

[Andrew]

Hiyall!
I popped in on the tongues thread because I

jushundawanna wish

everybkuddny a

MerrrrrINGAmakaidy

Christmassssooooooweeeeet!!!

Merry Christmas and God bless you all. :cheer:

Interpretation
"I just wanted to wish everybody a Merry Christmas!!!"

See!

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[Imalive]

Like to you personally? Or does everyone start praising and you become sort of the focus so to speak or do you go to the other room to praise? Lol
Tango, I used to believe I was like that and fortunately its not the case for me, I believe you said that you used to go to some of these churches "been there done that" and maybe you had a hunch about that, but I learned that I just love praising the Lord with other people, its kind of silly to sing praise and jump around at home alone lol it wont stop me from going to other churches if God leads me there but when I want to praise in his presence I will always find a humble little pentecostal to liberate my spirit in the way that would otherwise make me look mental to on lookers lol

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Lol no in general. Guess there were more people singing on the automatic pilot.

 

[Imalive]

I've been to the kind of churches where people have their hands in the air before the musicians have finished playing the first bar, where everybody was about jumping and waving their arms and the "hey, look at me" kind of thing that was called worship. I don't know what was in their hearts but it did often seem to me that much of the most "expressive worship" was done at the front of the church where everybody could see. I was always more interested in the person who went to the back of the church and knelt quietly than the person who was leaping around waving flags at the front.

You can praise in God's presence any time and and place you want. It's not as if God can only be found in certain buildings designated as "churches". The first time I was ever invited to preach at a church I went for a long walk in the woods to consider what I wanted to say. Where I went to hike is pretty remote - it's far from rare for me to spend a whole day walking and not see another person - so spending time praying while sitting on a rock, or indeed kneeling on the trail, wasn't the sort of thing that screamed out "look at what I'm doing" because the chances of anyone else seeing were vanishingly small. Even so, I distinctly remember reaching the top of one of the bigger local hills, the sun beating down on me, spending time in God's presence and every little thing that happened lifted my spirits. A vulture isn't the same as an eagle but even so when a vulture circled overhead all I could think was the verse in Isaiah about "rise on wings like eagles". At one point I was walking down the trail with my hands in the air and my head lifted towards the skies (that trail was sufficiently even I didn't have to watch every step for loose rocks). Not something I'd want to do in a crowded area, but in the middle of nowhere it didn't seem inappropriate at all. No humble little pentecostal required, I would probably have looked very odd to onlookers had there been any, just spending time getting away from it all and praying.

Years ago I had to put the sheets on the thing, the music, so ppl could read and see the text. Nobody wanted to do that. Look quick for the good song and put it on that projector. I wanted to praise too. Most of the time ppl who did that just sat there, laying the sheets on it and the rest had a great time. I was like: bye! I go flag! I had these huuuge flags and I flew em around lol I hope anyone could see the text. It wasnt really a big church. I stood right before the projector screen.

 

[Andrew]

Lol no in general. Guess there were more people singing on the automatic pilot.

Our pastor will starting yelling "come on somebody!... I said come on somebody!!"
lol
I believe non believers get us mixed up with self help motivation but its all the opposite... it's getting rid of self and letting your Spirit praise the Lord in any possible way i dont know of any motivation speakers that teach speaking tongues even though its scientifically determined to lift spirit or keep peace, in our case we know that not everyone at the church speaks in tongues usually only 15% or so and its definitely not "self serving" as many believe, its merely praising someone other than ourselves -Jesus- that brings us to this peace within

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[user1234]

Beautiful! Yes I was talking about how onlookers would see me, out in the woods I could do the same for sure but when I said presence I just meant "before the Lord" so when I do praise its always "before the Lord" I just prefer going to the church because im either at work or around my parents although at work (most of the day) I do jump around and start mumbling tongues in praise, they might think its weird but they actually enjoy my glow and they generally become more joyful as well

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Very nice, DH. Very nice to lift them up that way!

I think its important to be aware of those around you in worship, too (depending on the size of the congregation, a small group is hard to hide in) but one church I attend, for worship and then prayer on Sun nites, can get pretty full, a few hundred or so (though we wish there were more, but understand why thats hard for alot of folks to be out at that time) but sometimes ppl can get real caught up in worship, praise, lifting hands to the Lord, and not realize somebody might be sitting right nearby who is pretty down or alone for one reason or another, or may be under enemy attack ...(it can happen right in the midst) and seeing everyone all up and rejoicing might even feed their depression rather than lift them out, so it's good to just notice those around you, and if you see someone that the Lord leads you to, just check if theyre okay, maybe need a prayer or word of encouragement from scripture or even just a hug.

I remember being in that situation, I was soooo down and their could have been a million ppl, it wouldnt have mattered, I felt like the guy at the pool for 38 years, ppl just stepping over him, .... No one knew I even existed, and the coldness and indifference was enough to just numb you into nothing.
Finally as ppl were leaving, one guy asked if I wanted prayer, but I quietly said no thank you.
(The place was clearing out)

A few minutes later a guy stopped, didnt say a word, just knelt down next to me, put a hand on my shoulder, and started praying, and as he did, he had tears starting to flow. So did I of course. (As I do now) It was one of the nicest things anyone ever did for me, I'll never forget...and I hadnt seen him in a while, I knew he had cancer ... I guess it got to him bc I just found out he went home to Jesus a couple weeks ago.
His name was John Peters and he was a beautiful guy, and I know he's pain-free and rejoicing right now ... Thank you Jesus, for John Peters, bless and comfort his family at this time, may their sorrow quickly turn to joy as they remember youre love and gift of eternal life and look forward to reunion with John and you, Lord Jesus, Amen.

Gosh, I realize Ive been doing a whole lot of crying for a whole lot of different reasons lately. Sorry to be a burden, but I just wanted to share that ... that can all be part of worship, too.
A song by John Prine (hey, another John P lol)
sings, 'If you're walking down the street sometime, and you spot some hollow, ancient eyes .... Oh, please, dont just pass them by and stare, as if you didnt care, say Hello in There .... Hello.'

Peace and joy, and God bless you as you worship the Lord.

 

[Andrew]

Very nice, DH. Very nice to lift them up that way!

I think its important to be aware of those around you in worship, too (depending on the size of the congregation, a small group is hard to hide in) but one church I attend, for worship and then prayer on Sun nites, can get pretty full, a few hundred or so (though we wish there were more, but understand why thats hard for alot of folks to be out at that time) but sometimes ppl can get real caught up in worship, praise, lifting hands to the Lord, and not realize somebody might be sitting right nearby who is pretty down or alone for one reason or another, or may be under enemy attack ...(it can happen right in the midst) and seeing everyone all up and rejoicing might even feed their depression rather than lift them out, so it's good to just notice those around you, and if you see someone that the Lord leads you to, just check if theyre okay, maybe need a prayer or word of encouragement from scripture or even just a hug.

I remember being in that situation, I was soooo down and their could have been a million ppl, it wouldnt have mattered, I felt like the guy at the pool for 38 years, ppl just stepping over him, .... No one knew I even existed, and the coldness and indifference was enough to just numb you into nothing.
Finally as ppl were leaving, one guy asked if I wanted prayer, but I quietly said no thank you.
(The place was clearing out)

A few minutes later a guy stopped, didnt say a word, just knelt down next to me, put a hand on my shoulder, and started praying, and as he did, he had tears starting to flow. So did I of course. (As I do now) It was one of the nicest things anyone ever did for me, I'll never forget...and I hadnt seen him in a while, I knew he had cancer ... I guess it got to him bc I just found out he went home to Jesus a couple weeks ago.
His name was John Peters and he was a beautiful guy, and I know he's pain-free and rejoicing right now ... Thank you Jesus, for John Peters, bless and comfort his family at this time, may their sorrow quickly turn to joy as they remember youre love and gift of eternal life and look forward to reunion with John and you, Lord Jesus, Amen.

Gosh, I realize Ive been doing a whole lot of crying for a whole lot of different reasons lately. Sorry to be a burden, but I just wanted to share that ... that can all be part of worship, too.
A song by John Prine (hey, another John P lol)
sings, 'If you're walking down the street sometime, and you spot some hollow, ancient eyes .... Oh, please, dont just pass them by and stare, as if you didnt care, say Hello in There .... Hello.'

Peace and joy, and God bless you as you worship the Lord.

Amen that is very touching. The other week or so I felt like that, I felt bewildered because of it too (everyone around rejoicing) and I was but I was very distant, a worship leader came from down the podium and was laying on hands, when he came near me I hugged him and displayed my sorrow in weeping in front of everyone and it just got very real in emotions, yeah I know it may seem weird to outsiders lol but people looked me deep in the eye and told me "God loves you" and its exactly what I needed to hear its wonderful to be able to hug another man and it not be made a spectacle which is why its so important to be involved with like minded individuals as its so rare to come across in "this world". Amen I love you all lol

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[user1234]

Yes...Aint it the truth, DHoffman ... The awesome love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And He allows us to have, not only tears as all ppl do, (and yes, they're all valuable and the Lord knows and counts every one), but there are tears that just cant be explained when you know that Jesus saved you and you're heaven-bound ...

With that, there's a whole new type of tears, contemplating who He is, what He went through for us, the things to come we can only imagine, the insight into things that were once vague but now are so real, the awesomeness of creation, the story of redemption and how our Creator took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us, His purpose to go to the cross, conquering sin and death and the devil, rising and GIVING us salvation and eternal life in His Kingdom,

we get to see a new creation, and by His love and grace He includes us in all that, (undeserving as we are), plus in the meantime gives us a family, the body of Christ, brothers and sisters we have no idea how many, and all He asks of us is to believe in Jesus.

And to love one another should be a no-brainer, He shouldnt even have to ask (let alone command) yet He does, knowing we mess it up so much, but yet His mercies are new every morning, and He is faithful even when we are faithless, sometimes it can make you wanna laugh and cry and sing and be serene all at the same time, and this was all part of His plan from the foundation of the world, and we've barely scratched the surface.

Sometimes I want to shout it and share it with the world (or at least one other would be nice) and sometimes I want to give and get a hug and not say anything at all, but in all things, Thank You Jesus, and now I gotta go, God bless you.

And to add, it's Christmas soon, and I pray I can do SOMETHING to help someone, I always feel so inadequate and such a failure in that department every year, I really need to pray and get better at that...Jesus is worthy , I just struggle knowing what to do, but I dont want to get caught in the paralysis of analysis, plus I'm praying for reconciliation and then also the joy of the Lord, and to help someone that may be struggling to know that Jesus loves them.

*But I have to do that in my regular old prayers, because I dont know how to pray in tongues.
To tie it all in with the thread topic.

 

[Andrew]

Yes...Aint it the truth, DHoffman ... The awesome love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And He allows us to have, not only tears as all ppl do, (and yes, they're all valuable and the Lord knows and counts every one), but there are tears that just cant be explained when you know that Jesus saved you and you're heaven-bound ...

With that, there's a whole new type of tears, contemplating who He is, what He went through for us, the things to come we can only imagine, the insight into things that were once vague but now are so real, the awesomeness of creation, the story of redemption and how our Creator took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us, His purpose to go to the cross, conquering sin and death and the devil, rising and GIVING us salvation and eternal life in His Kingdom,

we get to see a new creation, and by His love and grace He includes us in all that, (undeserving as we are), plus in the meantime gives us a family, the body of Christ, brothers and sisters we have no idea how many, and all He asks of us is to believe in Jesus.

And to love one another should be a no-brainer, He shouldnt even have to ask (let alone command) yet He does, knowing we mess it up so much, but yet His mercies are new every morning, and He is faithful even when we are faithless, sometimes it can make you wanna laugh and cry and sing and be serene all at the same time, and this was all part of His plan from the foundation of the world, and we've barely scratched the surface.

Sometimes I want to shout it and share it with the world (or at least one other would be nice) and sometimes I want to give and get a hug and not say anything at all, but in all things, Thank You Jesus, and now I gotta go, God bless you.

And to add, it's Christmas soon, and I pray I can do SOMETHING to help someone, I always feel so inadequate and such a failure in that department every year, I really need to pray and get better at that...Jesus is worthy , I just struggle knowing what to do, but I dont want to get caught in the paralysis of analysis, plus I'm praying for reconciliation and then also the joy of the Lord, and to help someone that may be struggling to know that Jesus loves them.

*But I have to do that in my regular old prayers, because I dont know how to pray in tongues.
To tie it all in with the thread topic.

God bless you Snerfle, do not worry about the Christmas season, you will be blessing many in your own shadow as God is within you and by grace and faith in the Lord many will see, many will wonder, and many will draw nearer to thee. As for tongues the mind cannot comprehend two languages at once so even I pray in English for mindful prayers, either way God knows what you are going to pray long before you even begin to... for this very fact I do try to keep mindful of what I am praying toward but I'll verbally spout out further utterance (when praying in tongues) because God alone understands... That is, when im caught up in the Spirit and have much to pray for I just start speaking whatever the Spirit pushes out my throat lol ...but when I KNOW how to word my prayer I keep my prayer 'mindful' in that sense as well.. speaking in my native tongue.. forgive me I have no idea how this all sounds like to outsiders lol oh well. God bless you snerfle may you walk with the Lord in all righteousness and be a guiding light onto those who walk amongst you.

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[MennoSota]

When I used to get drunk and people would say "hey that guys drunk" I would start speaking fluent chinese out of nowhere lol true story

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You were drunk, you only thought you were fluent. Did you ever go to Chinatown and try that trick?

 

[Andrew]

You were drunk, you only thought you were fluent. Did you ever go to Chinatown and try that trick?

Well the few that understood me couldn't tell me what I said because I couldn't understand them lol plus we were all drunk

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[tango]

Very nice, DH. Very nice to lift them up that way!

I think its important to be aware of those around you in worship, too (depending on the size of the congregation, a small group is hard to hide in)

This is also very true. One church I attended for years (and only left because I moved out of the area) had a lady who would routinely jump and wave her arms. Several times I had to put an arm out to stop her jumping into me, because she'd often sit in the row in front of me. She sat on the end so she could step sideways into the aisle and dance - I sat on the end because I'm a big guy and like the extra space. Every time I warded her away I was thankful that I was twice her size and strong enough to do so, rather than one of the elderly folks who were unsteady on their feet and who could have been knocked over. She typically looked at me as if it were some kind of affront to push her away rather than leave her to keep bumping into me. I always thought it was particularly inconsiderate to jump and wave arms without at least checking you weren't going to be hitting anybody.

It's not difficult to find verses in Scripture about expressive worship but somehow I doubt that it would be part of God's plan for one person's "expressive worship" to cause serious injury to another.

 

[Albion]

She typically looked at me as if it were some kind of affront to push her away rather than leave her to keep bumping into me. I always thought it was particularly inconsiderate to jump and wave arms without at least checking you weren't going to be hitting anybody.

Well, you were expected to think that the Holy Spirit had taken over her bodily movements and that she was not directing them herself, don't cha know??