Lizzie is converting

[Confessional Lutheran]

Surprised?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PscwvMDR-t0

 

[Albion]

I suppose that if you've grown up in a denomination that was created out of thin air, not even from a schism, less than 200 years ago, it would be easier to accept the Roman Catholic version of church history wouldn't it?

Still, she talks as though she is first reading the Bible, which makes me wonder if she didn't just get taken to church along with the family while she was growing up and not much more than that.

 

[Josiah]

I suppose that if you've grown up in a denomination that was created out of thin air, not even from a schism, less than 200 years ago, it would be easier to accept the Roman Catholic version of church history wouldn't it?

Still, she talks as though she is first reading the Bible, which makes me wonder if she didn't just get taken to church along with the family while she was growing up and not much more than that.

Good point..... And given two choices, maybe she's making the better.

In reality, this "airhead" has been the darling of Catholic apologetics for years.... and has often revealed her lack of well..... just about everything. Her Youtube things show a very, very PROFOUND misunderstanding of just about everything - Protestant or Catholic. And I often wonder how this girl ever got into college.



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[Confessional Lutheran]

I suppose that if you've grown up in a denomination that was created out of thin air, not even from a schism, less than 200 years ago, it would be easier to accept the Roman Catholic version of church history wouldn't it?

Still, she talks as though she is first reading the Bible, which makes me wonder if she didn't just get taken to church along with the family while she was growing up and not much more than that.

That's true. Considering some of her other youtube videos dealing with Catholic topics, however, I'm not too terribly surprised that she's decided to take the RCIA route. [MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION] said something earlier about the classes of true Catholic, cafeteria Catholic and Protestant in Hiding. I hope for Lizzie's sake that she is in the true Catholic's Catholic category, simply because she'll find herself awfully unsatisfied if she winds up in any of the other two categories.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Surprised?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PscwvMDR-t0

I am listening to her story and thinking she sounds and looks very young. Then I got to thinking, would I be thinking the same thing if the same words were coming from the mouth of a mid thirties man? Well, I do not know but it is a thought.

There is likely a lot more to the conversion that she is undertaking (or is it God undertaking it in her?) than the vlog reveals. It is, in my opinion, difficult to give an adequate account of all the factors that lead to personal conversion from one way of life to another. Her vlog is abbreviated I think and for me her voice, tone, and content is not persuasive even if it represents part of her story it does not appear to be a carefully thought through presentation.

 

[Confessional Lutheran]

I am listening to her story and thinking she sounds and looks very young. Then I got to thinking, would I be thinking the same thing if the same words were coming from the mouth of a mid thirties man? Well, I do not know but it is a thought.

There is likely a lot more to the conversion that she is undertaking (or is it God undertaking it in her?) than the vlog reveals. It is, in my opinion, difficult to give an adequate account of all the factors that lead to personal conversion from one way of life to another. Her vlog is abbreviated I think and for me her voice, tone, and content is not persuasive even if it represents part of her story it does not appear to be a carefully thought through presentation.

Aye, a lot of it does seem a little simplistic, on the surface. However, she has made a lot of videos that are very much favorable to the Catholic faith and one might just think of this as a natural progression as a result of her studies.

 

[Andrew]

I see nothing wrong with this. Good for her.
Luther was Catholic

 

[Josiah]

Luther was Catholic

Not a good one :ewink:

 

[Confessional Lutheran]

I see nothing wrong with this. Good for her.
Luther was Catholic

He was indeed, although Pope Leo saw fit to excommunicate him, it is stated plainly in the Augsburg Confession that the Evangelical teachings simply did away with medieval innovations and simply reintroduced Scriptural principles while retaining the ancient liturgies. The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, Holy Baptism, Confession and Absolution, all were retained, while the hierarchy was kept in places like Scandinavia and discarded in Central Europe.

 

[Josiah]

If Lizzie had converted to Lutheranism, I'd be deeply embarrassed.

 

[Confessional Lutheran]

If Lizzie had converted to Lutheranism, I'd be deeply embarrassed.

I don't think she's even aware of liturgical Protestant alternatives, to be honest, [MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION], either Lutheran or Anglican.

 

[Josiah]

I don't think she's even aware of liturgical Protestant alternatives, to be honest, Josiah, either Lutheran or Anglican.

I've seen several of her YouTube videos (sent to me by Catholics).
It is OBVIOUS that she has no clue whatsoever what Protestantism teaches, she never indicates that she's ever taken instruction, ever read a book, ever took a single history class. Her IGNORANCE is incredible.
It is OBVIOUS that she thinks there are TWO choices: Non-Denom, empty Evangelicalism (which she ENTIRELY misunderstands) and Roman Catholicism. There is no other. Her IGNORANCE is amazing.
It is OBVIOUS she has been feed all the REALLY BAD "Catholic" talking points that good Catholic apologists never use... and has swallowed them WHOLE. Her gullibility is incredible.
It is OBVIOUS she has never learned to think (I honestly wonder how she ever could be a college student); I hate to say it but she's one of the biggest airheads I've witnessed.
She's kinda cute, however. Gotta give her that.
She'll made a good "Protestant Hiding in the Church" as my Deacon called such.


Yeah.... it is unfortunate that for most of the USA, there do seem to be only two forms of Christianity: Roman Catholicism and (a very empty form of) Evangelicalism. In many areas, all the big churches are one or the other. TOO BAD that Eastern Orthodoxy gets no attention whatsoever (because I think it's 100 times better than either Catholicism or Evangelicalism).... too bad no one even knows about Anglicanism (and yeah, conservative forms of such are rare).... too bad no one knows about Lutheranism (unless you live in Minnesota or Wisconsin)..... When I was a student, a coed said that "Martin Luther was a black minister who lead the civil rights movement." People don't know history.... people (even many Christians) are PROFOUNDLY ignorant of theology (and frankly couldn't care less in this age of radical relativism, pragmatism and individualism).

Given the only two options Lizzie knows about - the Catholicism of all those wrong, bad talking points no Catholic teacher would ever use, and the all-to-often empty Evangelicalism - she may well have made the better choice. Too bad she did it SO ignorantly (being the airhead she obviously is).

 

[Krissy Cakes]

Good for her!

Praying for her. ray:

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Somehow I think I'm supposed to be surprised... Am I supposed to be surprised? :thinking:

 

[Josiah]

Somehow I think I'm supposed to be surprised... Am I supposed to be surprised? :thinking:

... we've all been on pins and needles.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I agree with the point about the Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches. I think, if given a choice, I'd be drawn a bit more to a conservative Anglican church - none of which exist around me. There's a congregation of about 10 or so members about an hour away (or more). Other Anglican churches here are quite liberal - more than I am comfortable with. Unfortunately, the Lutheran church where I attend (LCC/LCMS) is fairly 'modern', having given up most of the liturgy to attract young families. Imo, there's no better reason to retain the liturgy, but they didn't ask me. If I want a true liturgical Lutheran service, I'd be looking at about an hour's drive.

 

[Josiah]

I agree with the point about the Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches. I think, if given a choice, I'd be drawn a bit more to a conservative Anglican church - none of which exist around me. There's a congregation of about 10 or so members about an hour away (or more). Other Anglican churches here are quite liberal - more than I am comfortable with. Unfortunately, the Lutheran church where I attend (LCC/LCMS) is fairly 'modern', having given up most of the liturgy to attract young families. Imo, there's no better reason to retain the liturgy, but they didn't ask me. If I want a true liturgical Lutheran service, I'd be looking at about an hour's drive.

... a very personal thing.

IMO, theology trumps worship style EVERY TIME. So while MY preference is clearly quite traditional/liturgical, I'd MUCH rather attend some "contemporary" worship LCMS church than a liberal Episcopalian church and certainly a Catholic church - at least regularly. IMO, doctrine trumps customs.

One of the advantages of living in a state with 40 MILLION people (and believe me, there are a lot of disadvantages, too) is that EVERY possible religion (and sub set of such) exists within 20 miles.... Now, it may take you an hour to get there by car, however, lol (well, not on a Sunday morning when 39 million heathens here are sleeping in).


Blessings to you....


- Josiah

 

[Josiah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDO9jGHz4dI


No comment*



* none needed. Note, my laughter is not directed to the Catholic Church but to Lizzie




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[Confessional Lutheran]

... we've all been on pins and needles.

Absolutely.. She kept insisting in her Catholic Apologetics ( Remedial) videos that she'd never become one. To be sure, 'twas a bit of a shock to learn ( not really).

 

[Tigger]

I say praise God! I see a bright young lady addressing her life's struggles in a very positive way. Say's actually just chronicling many of our own spiritual journeys. Theology is a huge subject and it takes time to come to full maturity, 'what ever that is' but she is on the right path and given time, where ever she ends up, if she keeps up her studies, she could eventually give us all a run for our money on a discussion forum such as we have here at CH. The discrepancies she's pointing out between Catholicism and Evangelicalism are the same statements we Lutherans make and if you'll notice she pointed out there were liturgical evangelicals which she didn't know a lot about and wasn't including them/us in her assessment.