Legal or Lawful

[visionary]

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

His Will and His good pleasure are both in obedience to His Law. Strange thing is you are in agreement with nine of them. It is the fourth that causes the most rebellious of reactions when asked to obey. No one has a problem with adultery, lying, stealing, murder, not worshiping other gods, no images, don't use His name in vain...... other than those who wish to keep those sins.

 

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His Will and His good pleasure are both in obedience to His Law. Strange thing is you are in agreement with nine of them. It is the fourth that causes the most rebellious of reactions when asked to obey. No one has a problem with adultery, lying, stealing, murder, not worshiping other gods, no images, don't use His name in vain...... other than those who wish to keep those sins.

Jesus left us with the law of love. Love Our Father, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. He is Lord over everything, including the Sabbath. As a matter of fact, He castigated the Jews for requiring such strict adherence to Sabbath keeping.

Matt.12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

Matthew 12:11
And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

Matthew 12:12
How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Paul taught us o give glory to God in all things.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So Lord Jesus is Lord over every day. And every day we live, we live to the Lord. I keep repeating myself here. I think I have posted this before.

 

[pinacled]

His Will and His good pleasure are both in obedience to His Law. Strange thing is you are in agreement with nine of them. It is the fourth that causes the most rebellious of reactions when asked to obey. No one has a problem with adultery, lying, stealing, murder, not worshiping other gods, no images, don't use His name in vain...... other than those who wish to keep those sins.

I have heard a congregation is 10

 

[visionary]

I have heard a congregation is 10

If you are talking about a minyan, In Judaism, a minyan (Hebrew: מִנְיָן‎[minˈjan] lit. noun count, number; pl. מִניָנִים minyanim [minjanˈim]) is the quorum of ten Jewish adults required for certain religious obligations. In more traditional streams of Judaism only men may constitute a minyan.

 

[visionary]

I have often heard Acts 15 used to show how little the Gentiles need to do to be His people.

ACTS 15:16 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT, 17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,' 18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO. 19"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21 "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."

The elders of the Messianic faith in Jerusalem knew that it was prophesied that in order to restore the Temple of David, they would and should be expecting the influx of Gentiles to Judaism. With this in mind, and with the vision Peter experienced, the wall of "enmity" that separated the Jews from the Gentiles needed to come down. It was clear God wanted everyone, all were equal in His eyes, and all nations needed to come to Him and worship Him.

 

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If you are talking about a minyan, In Judaism, a minyan (Hebrew: מִנְיָן‎[minˈjan] lit. noun count, number; pl. מִניָנִים minyanim [minjanˈim]) is the quorum of ten Jewish adults required for certain religious obligations. In more traditional streams of Judaism only men may constitute a minyan.

The number ten was derived from the first verse of Psalm 82, which reads: "God stands in the congregation of God." The word edah (congregation) is also applied to the ten spies who, in the days of Moses, rendered a negative report on the land of Canaan. Hence it was established that a "congregation of God" consists of at least ten men.

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Genesis 1King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
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5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in His law doth he meditate day and night.
3 And he shall be like a tree planted by streams of water, {N}
that bringeth forth its fruit in its season, and whose leaf doth not wither; and in whatsoever he doeth he shall prosper.


1 A Psalm of Asaph. {N}
God standeth in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He judgeth:

Decalogue

Exodus 20King James Version (KJV)

20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And again the Decalogue.

Deuteronomy 5King James Version (KJV)

5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
[SUP]5 [/SUP](I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to shew you the word of the Lord: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,
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6 [/SUP]I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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7 [/SUP]Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
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10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
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12 [/SUP]Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
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16 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
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17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not kill.
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18 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
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19 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou steal.
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20 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
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21 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
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22 [/SUP]These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

 

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Jesus left us with the law of love. Love Our Father, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. He is Lord over everything, including the Sabbath. As a matter of fact, He castigated the Jews for requiring such strict adherence to Sabbath keeping.

Matt.12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

Matthew 12:11
And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

Matthew 12:12
How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Paul taught us o give glory to God in all things.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So Lord Jesus is Lord over every day. And every day we live, we live to the Lord. I keep repeating myself here. I think I have posted this before.

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

"So Lord Jesus is Lord over every day. And every day we live, we live to the Lord. I keep repeating myself here. I think I have posted this before."


Take a Close look.

Prince of Peace.
Ezekiel 45

The Prince's Portion
7And a portion shall be for the prince on the one side and on the other side of the oblation of the holy portion, and of the possession of the city, before the oblation of the holy portion, and before the possession of the city, from the west side westward, and from the east side eastward: and the length shall be over against one of the portions, from the west border unto the east border. 8In the land shall be his possession in Israel: and my princes shall no more oppress my people; and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes.
9Thus saith the Lord GOD; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord GOD.
10Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath. 11The ephah and the bath shall be of one measure, that the bath may contain the tenth part of an homer, and the ephah the tenth part of an homer: the measure thereof shall be after the homer. 12And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh.
Offerings and Feasts
13This is the oblation that ye shall offer; the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of wheat, and ye shall give the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of barley: 14Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer: 15And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD. 16All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
18Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: 19And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. 20And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house.
21In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering. 23And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering. 24And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah. 25In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.

 

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Did you know that the Ten was first just the TEN when Moses went up the Mount Sinai and then come down only to break them over the party going on below? You can read the Ten in Exodus 20 and you will see that the fourth commandments is about worshiping the Creator. When Moses went up the Mount the second time, he wrote the attachments on parchments, because he had gone back up the mountain to "atone" for the Israelites' sins. When it was recorded what was written in the second set of stones, there was a change in the fourth commandment. You read that it was for the redeemer. Check it out in

Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

 

[visionary]

Jesus left us with the law of love. Love Our Father, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. He is Lord over everything, including the Sabbath. As a matter of fact, He castigated the Jews for requiring such strict adherence to Sabbath keeping.
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Amen... He is the Lord of the Sabbath. This is our Lord whom we worship.

 

[pinacled]

Did you know that the Ten was first just the TEN when Moses went up the Mount Sinai and then come down only to break them over the party going on below? You can read the Ten in Exodus 20 and you will see that the fourth commandments is about worshiping the Creator. When Moses went up the Mount the second time, he wrote the attachments on parchments, because he had gone back up the mountain to "atone" for the Israelites' sins. When it was recorded what was written in the second set of stones, there was a change in the fourth commandment. You read that it was for the redeemer. Check in out in

Amen

 

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A Key phrase
Simon the Tanner.
Oh how beautiful a song. If only more could see. Yet so sad to read what happened.
5 'I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

6 Let his left hand be under my head, and his right hand embrace me.

2 Corinthians 5King James Version (KJV)

5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/tent/


Acts 18King James Version (KJV)
18 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome and came unto them.

3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

 

[visionary]

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

and here you would think that it would only be Jews in the synagogue....

 

[psalms 91]

Could be seekers or those on the outer porch maybe

 

[visionary]

That was as close as Gentiles were allowed in the Temple.. The court of the Gentiles.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes to me the only thing that makes sense

 

[Pedrito]

Steering back towards the original topic …


Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird.

 

[Alithis]

Are we justified by what we do or by what the Savior has done? I don't think I can do anything to get myself justified in God's eyes.

we are justified by faith in Christ Jesus and we then maintain righteousness by our obedience to Him.. because disobedience is unrighteousness .

 

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ROMANS 3:31 Do we then overthrow [katargoumen] the Law BY THIS FAITH? By no means [me genoito]! On the contrary, we uphold [histomen] the Law. (ESV)

Finally, to ensure that the Romans did not misundertand his stance on the Law, Paul summed up the relationship of faith to the Law. Paul first asks if our FAITH overthrows (Gr. katargoumen - "nullifies," "makes void," "destroys") the Law. Answering his own rhetorical question, Paul emphatically states "NO WAY!" using a strong negative Greek phrase (me genoito). Paul finishes by stating that instead of our faith nullifying the Law, it should motivate us to uphold (Gr. histomen - "establish," "make valid," "confirm") the Law.

 

[visionary]

I will do the verse the way anti Torah people read it which shows it makes the sentence non nonsensical and then I will do it the correct way, the way Messiah is actually saying it.


Wrong way: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to do away with it."

Right way: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but I came to cause my Father's will as made known in the law to be obeyed as it should be, and my Fathers promises that were given through the prophets to receive fulfillment."

No matter what word you use in the wrong way the sentence makes no sense. When you take strongs definition for pleroo in place of the word fulfill you see a beautiful expression of what Messiah actually DID. He DID walk out the law in observance in a manner that it should be observed and he did bring about the fulfillment of the prophecies concerning his coming

 

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But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.