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I think I am still missing what you are saying here. How can Paul be both a Pharisee and a Christian? He taught that Christians are a new creation in Christ Jesus, whether Jew or Gentile. He was trained as a Pharisee, that is true. But when he met Lord Jesus on the Damascus road he had a conversion experience that warrented a name change from Saul to Paul.
Pharisee is just a branch of Judaism, which is Yeshua's faith.... which we are today in following Him. If you are in Christ then you practice Yeshua's form of Judaism.
 

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Pharisee is just a branch of Judaism, which is Yeshua's faith.... which we are today in following Him. If you are in Christ then you practice Yeshua's form of Judaism.

I disagree with that.
 

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I disagree with that.
Embrace it... cause when you look at the bible and read and believe its contents.. it is all Judaism... not the orthodox form, not any traditional form, but inspired by the Holy Spirit and Yeshua form. I know there have been years of preaching it is a Roman/Greek form that is Christian but that is not what Yeshua practiced nor any of the disciples.
 

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Yes Jesus was born a Jew. Yes He did live under Judaism or Torah law. Oh, but He took that to the cross and it was crucified with Him and buried with Him. We now have a better covenant. Not one based on the righteousness of the dead works of the law, but based on His righteousness, His grace, and His truth.
 

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Yes Jesus was born a Jew. Yes He did live under Judaism or Torah law. Oh, but He took that to the cross and it was crucified with Him and buried with Him. We now have a better covenant. Not one based on the righteousness of the dead works of the law, but based on His righteousness, His grace, and His truth.

Remember.
John 1King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Deuteronomy 30


[SUP]10 [/SUP]If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
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14 [/SUP]But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

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15 [/SUP]See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

[SUP]16 [/SUP]In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
 

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pinacled, could you explain why you posted those verses?
 

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Yes Jesus was born a Jew. Yes He did live under Judaism or Torah law. Oh, but He took that to the cross and it was crucified with Him and buried with Him. We now have a better covenant. Not one based on the righteousness of the dead works of the law, but based on His righteousness, His grace, and His truth.
He didn't go to all that trouble to give it to them on Mount Sinai, to get rid of it when He ratified it, vindicated it, authorized it, signed it and sealed it in His own blood, on the cross. He needs it to judge the world by it. Not as Judaism that you know it, but as He declares it to be. Even the orthodox Judaism of His day couldn't find fault with His upholding of the law. Oh, they may have fought over the oral traditions of the rabbis, and Jewish religious leaders of His day over those traditional laws, which was more than even they could bear sometimes, that voided the Laws of God. Yeshua, God in the flesh, was having none of that. He is the King of the Jews, He is the author of what it true Judaism. The Bible is the story of following His inspired story of the people who follow Him through the centuries. Do not be fooled into things that this is a Jewish thing. It is not. It is for everyone who loves Him and His Ways, His Truth, His Life.
 

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In his letter to the Covenant believers in Messiah, the Paul wrote
1 Thess 5:1 You have no need that I write to you concerning the times and the seasons.
What did he mean by this statement? In order to understand what Paul was saying here, we must understand that the Hebrew word for “times and seasons” is “mo'edim.” The word “mo'edim” is plural for the Hebrew word “mo'ad” as seen in the Hebrew Concordance:

# 4150 mow’ed mo-ade’ or moled {mo-ad’}; or (feminine) moweadah (2nd Chronicles 8:13) {mo-aw-daw’}; from 3259; properly, an appointment, i.e. a fixed time or season; specifically, a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):--appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn(-ity), synogogue, (set) time (appointed).

Paul claims to have "no need to write to them" about these things. It has to be because they were all keeping the “Sabbaths” and Feast Days of God.

Go to Hebrew mindset thread because the verses following

1 Thess 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I write unto you.
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2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of God so comes as a "thief in the night."

Paul and the Thessalonians had to be well aware of this metaphor concerning the High Priest and the "thief in the night". They practiced these things in the temple year after year and there was no need to explain it to them. If they continued to keep the appointed “mo'edim” of God as he had commanded them to do forever, they would not be taken by surprise.

1 Thess 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Paul knew that these followers of Messiah were not in darkness because they were keeping their “oil lamps filled” and ready for the day when it arrived. They would not be overtaken by “the day that no man knows” without oil in their lamps. Their High Priest, Yeshua would come not as a thief in the night for them, because they would not be in darkness.

1 Thess 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

The Hebrew word for “day” is “yom” which means the following:

#3117 yowm: yome from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset), continually, everlasting, season.

The Hebrew word for “light” is seen in the Strong’s Hebrew Concordance as #216 owr which means the following: light, light of day, light of heavenly luminaries (moon, sun, stars); day-break, dawn, morning light; light of lamp; light of life; light of prosperity; light of instruction.

As you can see from this illustration of the seven-branch menorah, each “light” on the lamp represents a feast “day” or an appointed “yom.” Paul was telling us that because we are “children of the light and of the day” we will be walking in the “instructions” and the light or revelation that is given to us when we keep his feasts.

As priests in the order of Melchizedek, we must not be like those priests who would be found drinking alcohol on the job, getting drunk and falling asleep. We are given clear warning here to “watch and be sober.” The Greek word here for “sober” is “nepho” which literally means “to abstain from wine.”

1 Thess 5: 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep, sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Yeshua, our Jewish Messiah.
Think about the five without oil, and the five with oil... the illustrations and examples for keeping the commandments of God and having the faith in Yeshua are throughout scripture.
 

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Here is the truth of the matter, almost all Christians have no problem with the ten commandments except one. The Sabbath... this stumbling block is key for many reasons. When the believer gets over this hurdle, the rest is easy.

As children of the light, the Holy Feast Days that God has commanded to be kept forever make sense, are prophetic, and will be imortalized as a meomorial for what Yeshua has done for us so far like the Passover and Pentecost. They are called “holy convocations.” The Strong’s Hebrew Concordance defines the word for “convocation”

#4744 miqra’ mik-raw’ from 7121; something called out, i.e. a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal:--assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

As you can see, the Feasts of God are called “a rehearsal.” What are we rehearsing for when we keep the feasts? When we keep his feasts, we are memorializing and rehearsing all aspects of the bethrothal (engagement) and the future Marriage Supper of the Lamb! When God established an everlasting covenant, He gave us a “sign” that he alone was our God. What exactly is this “sign” that he has given for all generations forever? The sign of his everlasting covenant are His “Sabbaths” and Holy Feast Days. He declared that through these “Sabbaths” we might know that he is God who sanctifies us and sets us apart.

Even in our legal and court system, everything that is signed into law must have three things to be valid. It is the title, authority, and territory. Did you know that it is necessary before all laws can come to pass they have to be signed and sealed by the Leader? Did you know that the Law of God is signed sealed and delivered?
Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy. ........For in six days the Lord (TITLE) made (THE AUTHORITY AS CREATOR) heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is (TERRITORY), and rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed (Signed) the Sabbath day, and hallowed it (SEALED).
That is the Creator's signature on His Law. Was our Redeemer's signature on the God's Law too? Yes..
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.And now I just delivered it to you.
Yeshua is our Redeemer.
Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us

God is saying to you, “Verily my Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a SIGN between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you.” Never use the excuse that this is for one tribe of humanity only. IT is made for man.

And there you have it. The Sabbath days in the Almighty’s law are His signature, the special identifying SIGN He places on His people to signal to the universe that they are His: and that He has set them apart to sanctify them. You are also told in Isaiah 8:16 that the God of Israel seals His people with His Law. “Bind up the testimony; SEAL THE LAW among my disciples.”

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my Sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am God that sanctify them.

Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am God your Creator and Redeemer.
 
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Beautiful presentation, I just pray that others grasp the importance of the Hebrew mindset and the fact that the feasts and festivals are Gods and not Jewish
 

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Sure. Keys to sound doctrine.
Psalm 39
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For the choir director, for Jeduthun. A Psalm of David. I said, "I will guard my ways That I may not sin with my tongue;

When reading from Torah let the Holy Spirit bring you to remembrance of Yeshua.
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.


James 1
25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does. 26If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is worthless. 27Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

And as I stated before Paul was Torah taught and raised. Which should help with speaking with tongues of men and of angels.
1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.



I edited this post after a glance over. Sorry for any confusion.
 
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Ecc.1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

Habakkuk 2:4
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

So faith in what? In our ability to keep the whole of the law? Absolutely NOT. Lord Jesus came and fulfilled all of the requirements of the law FOR ME. Now He lives IN ME. He paid it all.
Here is Apostle Paul writing to Gentile believers.
Col.2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

Gal.3: 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

HELLO! The law IS NOT of faith. Here is the mystery. The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law. Where is He now? He dwells inside of the believer as Holy Spirit. When the Church gets hold of this and fully understand what it means, the Glory of God will be displayed in all of us. The One who completely fulfilled the law if God is IN US who believe.


Colossians 1:26-28King James Version (KJV)

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
 

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Ecc.1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

Habakkuk 2:4
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

So faith in what? In our ability to keep the whole of the law? Absolutely NOT. Lord Jesus came and fulfilled all of the requirements of the law FOR ME. Now He lives IN ME. He paid it all.
Here is Apostle Paul writing to Gentile believers.
Col.2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

Gal.3: 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

HELLO! The law IS NOT of faith. Here is the mystery. The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law. Where is He now? He dwells inside of the believer as Holy Spirit. When the Church gets hold of this and fully understand what it means, the Glory of God will be displayed in all of us. The One who completely fulfilled the law if God is IN US who believe.


Colossians 1:26-28King James Version (KJV)

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:


Amen.
Do you see the contrast?
What I am trying to show is Spiritual.

Righteousness through Faith
4although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: 5circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews;
}-as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6
}-as to zeal, a persecutor of the church;
}-as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.

Leviticus 19
28'You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD.

Galatians 6
16And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. 17From now on let no one cause trouble for me, for I bear on my body the brand-marks of Jesus. 18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brethren. Amen.
 
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Paul wrote in 1 Cor 5:8 that we should “keep the feast of unleavened bread with sincerity and truth...” Our Messiah, Yeshua taught us to “live by every word of God." (Matthew 4:4). He also preached that “one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Mosaic Law until heaven and earth have passed away” (Matthew 5:17-19). This isn't legal as most countries do not have this in their law books, this is law biding in God's books.
 

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Paul wrote in 1 Cor 5:8 that we should “keep the feast of unleavened bread with sincerity and truth...” Our Messiah, Yeshua taught us to “live by every word of God." (Matthew 4:4). He also preached that “one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Mosaic Law until heaven and earth have passed away” (Matthew 5:17-19). This isn't legal as most countries do not have this in their law books, this is law biding in God's books.

Sister if you want to try keeping the law, just know that you are not justified by the law, but by the precious blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.He is your law. And please do not condemn anyone else because they exercise their freedom from the law. The Jews could not even keep the law and it was given to them. That is the reason He came. No more lambs and goats need lose their lives to cover sin. Jesus paid it all.
 

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Sister if you want to try keeping the law, just know that you are not justified by the law, but by the precious blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.He is your law. And please do not condemn anyone else because they exercise their freedom from the law. The Jews could not even keep the law and it was given to them. That is the reason He came. No more lambs and goats need lose their lives to cover sin. Jesus paid it all.
Exactly.. that is the difference between legal.. and lawful... We are to be lawful citizens of His Kingdom. We are not to be Pharisee about it, thinking that it justifies anything. We do it because we love God, Yeshua for what He has done for us, and want to live in His World, honoring Him and His Wisdom which you find by not only meditating on it but living it.

Amen to the no more need to sacrifice animals, Yeshua has taken that rehearsal out and replaced it with Himself, the Lamb of God. By faith, we can see that the Law of Sacrifices for Sins is and was and always will be embodied in Yeshua's life and death on our behalf. It doesn't void, or take the Law to the cross, it ratifies it, makes it a signed and sealed testament to the eternal stature of the Laws of God. May we never forget what God did do to save sinners and validate His Laws.
 

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Matt 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah (law), or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

The Greek word for “fulfill” here is “pleroo” which means: “to liberally supply, to furnish; to carry through to the end; to cause to abound; to carry into effect; execute, ratify.

Matt 5: 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Torah (law), till all be fulfilled.

So when does heaven and earth pass away? In Revelation 21 it happens after the one-thousand year Millennial reign of Messiah. The new heaven and the new earth will come down and the first heaven and the first earth will pass away! Until then, the Torah will go out from Mount Zion to the nations and will be taught and practiced to the last punctuation mark (jots and tittles) throughout the Millennium (Isaiah 2:3, Micah 4:2). And this even includes the re-establishment of the Temple of David by our Messiah himself where no animal sacrifices are necessary because of His finished work on the cross.

Do you know how many archaic laws are on the books? Yeshua fulfilled the sacrificial system to the extent of sacrificing animals for sin has now been replaced by His work on the cross. We can thank God for that. What a God to we have. His laws are not arbitrary but eternal, even those which are a rehearsal, and because what He has done so far, now a memorial. Today, every time we read about the laws regarding sacrificing animals for sin, we think of Him and what He has done for us.
 
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Faith is viewed as a private matter that takes place in one’s heart or mind and therefore cannot be judged. Faith is often defined by what the religious organization says it is. Some might argue that Paul affirms such a definition of faith, that some religious organizations are promoting, when he writes
Romans 10:9 if you confess with your mouth Yeshua as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
But your confession and belief can not be divorced from your actions. To confess Yeshua as Lord means that you are willing and determined to obey Him as Lord. Truly to confess and believe results in a transformation to living according to God's definition of what is right, which in the context surely means righteous living as well as right-standing in God’s court of justice. For a person to think that he or she could obey God “in my heart” without an outward life of conformity to God’s commandments is entirely to miss Paul’s point. Romans 6 and 7 are all about dealing primarily with how genuine faith results in a radical change in actions. Paul wrote
Rom 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Torah who are just before God, but the doers of the Law of God will be justified
Paul clearly agrees with James: “faith without works is dead” (James 2:26). In fact, “dead faith” isn’t faith at all.
 

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Faith is viewed as a private matter that takes place in one’s heart or mind and therefore cannot be judged. Faith is often defined by what the religious organization says it is. Some might argue that Paul affirms such a definition of faith, that some religious organizations are promoting, when he writes But your confession and belief can not be divorced from your actions. To confess Yeshua as Lord means that you are willing and determined to obey Him as Lord. Truly to confess and believe results in a transformation to living according to God's definition of what is right, which in the context surely means righteous living as well as right-standing in God’s court of justice. For a person to think that he or she could obey God “in my heart” without an outward life of conformity to God’s commandments is entirely to miss Paul’s point. Romans 6 and 7 are all about dealing primarily with how genuine faith results in a radical change in actions. Paul wrote Paul clearly agrees with James: “faith without works is dead” (James 2:26). In fact, “dead faith” isn’t faith at all.
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Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
 
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