Is The Little Mermaid demonic?

[Messy]

I see a lot of bad fruit.

Some of these folks are certainly unorthodox in their confession/beliefs.

So, wouldn't that be cause for caution when dealing with others of that sort?

Okay, so then...?

But this is either Jesus himself or his church doing that healing. You said at one place or another that these are the ones you have in mind, but then it seems that you are saying that almost any ol' churchgoing person who thinks or says he's been gifted by the HS is genuine.

Yes so we have to watch out. No I'm just saying God wants to heal and He gave the authority to the church, so it would be great if normal churches and believers see that truth and step out and pray for the sick and just know that God wants to heal them. I'm a big fan of Corrie ten Boom, but it's sad what she said about healing, because she had been raised reformed. She was sick and she said: God why? and got no answer and accepted it and she was sick for a year, just useless, cause it was her appendix and she needed an operation and suffered useless, thinking it was God's will.

 

[Messy]

This still doesn't answer the question. If the people sinned and were possessed, those demons are the devil's servants doing the devil's bidding on the devil's earth, possessing someone who chose the devil. What authority does Jesus have over that situation, if the devil was the ruler of the earth?

Jesus is God and didn't sin, so He had authority over satan, but god of this world just means boss over them who let him. The demoniac followed Jesus when he was been set free. Jesus didn't kick demons out of pharisees who wilfully sinned. Satan had power over them.

 

[tango]

I'd think we all should be able to answer without hesitation.

The Devil is the ruler of this Earth only because God allows it. Obviously, a god who is omnipotent--as we proclaim that the god of the BIble is--cannot be some sort of an equal with his opposite number, which is what some other religions have professed.

You would have thought so. If the devil is the ruler of the earth in the way the dominion people teach then Jesus wouldn't have had any authority over the demons at all.

Agreed. The idea that is to be found in various splinter churches such as are commonly seen on TV, to the effect that almost anyone can perform miracles, talk with God personally and be given to power to see events across the globe, read minds, announce divine revelation, and etc., is a dangerous error.

It's often the result of Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, and it can be observed in the practice of a lot of self-appointed ministers who are not content to be ministers or pastors but give themselves such titles as "bishop" and "prophet" and such.

Lots of people with grandiose titles - prophets, apostles and the like. Which might be at least marginally more tolerable, if the theology wasn't so far out in left field.

 

[Albion]

Yes so we have to watch out. No I'm just saying God wants to heal and He gave the authority to the church, so it would be great if normal churches and believers see that truth and step out and pray for the sick and just know that God wants to heal them.

But wait a minute. I seems like the picture is changing. To pray for someone's healing is not what a faith healer is all about. We all know to pray God for healing for ourselves or someone else. There's no controversy about that. BUT we here had been speaking of people who you said could perform healings. That's different.

Then, there's the "church." Do you mean a real, regular church, as opposed to the non-specific idea that's sometimes called the "invisible church," which is the idea of the whole total of true believers of all ages, everywhere?

I'm a big fan of Corrie ten Boom, but it's sad what she said about healing, because she had been raised reformed. She was sick and she said: God why? and got no answer and accepted it and she was sick for a year, just useless, cause it was her appendix and she needed an operation and suffered useless, thinking it was God's will.

Well, God doesn't always answer our prayers, whether they're for healing or a new job or anything else, even if they are very important to us. What he intends is known to him and it's not always what we think would be best for us.

 

[tango]

He was going to die and carry their sins and sicknesses. If He had not done that and hadn't raised from the dead, noone could be healed or saved or get the authority back to kick satan out.

If he didn't die then we wouldn't have authority to cast out demons?

That continues to raise more questions. Luke 10:19 was spoken before Jesus' crucifixion, to give just one example. It's just another strike against dominionism and things that look like dominionism even if they don't explicitly use that word.

 

[Albion]

You would have thought so. If the devil is the ruler of the earth in the way the dominion people teach then Jesus wouldn't have had any authority over the demons at all.

That seems undeniable, doesn't it?

 

[tango]

That seems undeniable, doesn't it?

It does, but they don't seem to let reality stand in the way of what they are pushing.

 

[Messy]

If he didn't die then we wouldn't have authority to cast out demons?

That continues to raise more questions. Luke 10:19 was spoken before Jesus' crucifixion, to give just one example. It's just another strike against dominionism and things that look like dominionism even if they don't explicitly use that word.

They couldn't get reborn before He died and rose and they couldn't go to heaven (except for Elijah and Enoch and Moses), but were in Abraham's bosom and rose with Christ, but they could be healed, also in the O.T. Maybe they could heal, because Jesus was baptized in the Holy Spirit and He anointed the disciples and blew on them, just like Old testament prophets could heal and had the Spirit, but it was different. The outpouring of the Spirit was only possible after He died and rose.
The disciples were holy, only needed a feet washing, even though they couldn't die and rise with Christ yet, but only Peter had to convert. In the O.T. noone could kick out demons as far as I know. That's why they always had to be killed, to get rid of the evil in Israel, but David was forgiven without a blood offer. Hm dunno.

But He did overcome satan at the cross for us:

Hebreeën 2:14 (NASB95)
14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


Colossians 2

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.


Genesis 3

And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

In What Ways Did Jesus Achieve Victory over the Devil?

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John 16:11 (KJV)​

Jhn 16:11 KJV - 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

For all the earth had trembled
The sun had hid it's face
And all the men that walked with Him
Had turned and run away
They crucified thy Savior
And laid Him in a tomb
The life that once brought love and hope
Slipped away that afternoon

Satan gleamed with pleasure
That day at Calvary
For he thought he had won
A mighty victory
And like him all of the demons
Of hell began to cheer
O but little did they know
That their end was growing near

 

[Albion]

They couldn't get reborn before He died and rose and they couldn't go to heaven (except for Elijah and Enoch and Moses), but were in Abraham's bosom

Agreed

and rose with Christ, but they could be healed, also in the O.T. Maybe they could heal,

The Old Testament saints who had already died?

because Jesus was baptized in the Holy Spirit and He anointed the disciples and blew on them,

There is nothing in the Bible that suggests Jesus was baptized in the Holy Spirit. Being God himself, that would not have been necessary for any reason.

The usual reasoning of people who follow this false theory of Jesus being baptized in the Holy Spirit and, worse, believe that this was a "must" for him to do what he then did with his disciples, is that when Jesus was baptized with river water in the usual Hebrew fashion, the Father and the Holy Ghost were manifested in several different ways in order to affirm this beginning of Jesus' ministry. However, there is nothing in that event about him being baptized IN or BY the Holy Ghost.

 

[Messy]

Agreed

The Old Testament saints who had already died?

There is nothing in the Bible that suggests Jesus was baptized in the Holy Spirit. Being God himself, that would not have been necessary for any reason.

The usual reasoning that people who follow this false theory of Jesus being baptized in the Holy Spirit use and, worse, believe that this was a "must" for him to do what he did with his disciples, is that when Jesus was baptized with river water in the usual Hebrew way, the Father and the Holy Ghost were manifested in several different ways in order to affirm this beginning of Jesus' ministry. But there is nothing in that event about him being baptized IN or BY the Holy Ghost.

He was born from the Spirit and God is One and in Him the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, but the Father spoke, Jesus said audibly only what the Father spoke and the Spirit did the miracles when He spoke.

It does not clearly say that it happened at baptism, but He emptied Himself of His Glory and became lower than the angels and depended on the power of the Holy Spirit and Luke 4 first said He was filled with the Spirit and after satan tempted Him He came in the power of the Spirit.

Was Jesus filled with the Holy Spirit before He was baptized?

Learn if Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit before or after His baptism and before He started His ministry. Biblical references are given.

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The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him,
The spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The spirit of counsel and strength,
The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. Isaiah 11:2


Jesus was both God and human. But in order to experience life as a human, Jesus limited the use of His divine attributes. This is the message of Philippians 2:5-8. He also chose to depend on the power of the Holy Spirit for His ministry. The gospel of Luke seems to imply that He needed the Holy Spirit to do miracles.

One day He was teaching; and there were some Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting there, who had come from every village of Galilee and Judea and from Jerusalem; and the power of the Lord was present for Him to perform healing. Luke 5:17 (NASB)

Other scriptures reveal that Jesus depended on the power of the Holy Spirit in His ministry He even died and returned to life by the power of the Spirit.

 

[Messy]

But wait a minute. I seems like the picture is changing. To pray for someone's healing is not what a faith healer is all about. We all know to pray God for healing for ourselves or someone else. There's no controversy about that. BUT we here had been speaking of people who you said could perform healings. That's different.

Then, there's the "church." Do you mean a real, regular church, as opposed to the non-specific idea that's sometimes called the "invisible church," which is the idea of the whole total of true believers of all ages, everywhere?

Well, God doesn't always answer our prayers, whether they're for healing or a new job or anything else, even if they are very important to us. What he intends is known to him and it's not always what we think would be best for us.

I mean a regular church, like the ones in Holland that don't even pray for the sick nor anoint them with oil, because they threw the baby out with the bath water. I asked a catholic collegue with a reformed wife if we could pray for him to get healed and they got mad, cause their church taught em you may not pray for that, well pray, sure you may pray if it is Your will from them, but if you want to rebuke a sickness in Jesus' Name they say no and get mad, while an atheist collegue said sure why not thanks how sweet from you and he got healed. On a Dutch christian forum I learned to shut up about healing. They got mad at me, so I said I only pray for rabbits nowadays, cause they don't get mad.

 

[Albion]

He was born from the Spirit

You are referring to the Son of God being born of Mary as the Angel Gabriel announced, but this does not mean that Jesus was "BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT" with all that is meant by that term and as you've described to us. Those are two different matters altogether.

...but the Father spoke, Jesus said audibly only what the Father spoke and the Spirit did the miracles when He spoke.

Where'd you get that notion?

It does not clearly say that it happened at baptism, but He emptied Himself of His Glory and became lower than the angels

Merely for God to become human accomplished that change.

and depended on the power of the Holy Spirit

Why do you think the Third person of the Trinity controls the Second person of the Trinity? Jesus said that the Spirit would be sent to mankind upon his (Christ's) return to heaven, but nothing whatsoever about the Spirit being superior to him.

and Luke 4 first said He was filled with the Spirit and after satan tempted Him He came in the power of the Spirit.

OKay, but all these references and more that could be identified do not represent what is meant by being "Baptized in the Holy Spirit."

jesus-filled-with-holy-spirit-before-he-was-baptized

Before he was Baptized, which rules out references to that baptism amounting to getting baptized with the Holy Spirit in the manner that we today see Pentecostals and similar groups of Christians doing.

But in order to experience life as a human, Jesus limited the use of His divine attributes. This is the message of Philippians 2:5-8. He also chose to depend on the power of the Holy Spirit for His ministry. The gospel of Luke seems to imply that He needed the Holy Spirit to do miracles.

So you have a proof text for the first of those claims and nothing but a personal hunch for the second ("Luke seems to imply....").

 

[tango]

They couldn't get reborn before He died and rose and they couldn't go to heaven (except for Elijah and Enoch and Moses), but were in Abraham's bosom and rose with Christ, but they could be healed, also in the O.T. Maybe they could heal, because Jesus was baptized in the Holy Spirit and He anointed the disciples and blew on them, just like Old testament prophets could heal and had the Spirit, but it was different. The outpouring of the Spirit was only possible after He died and rose.
The disciples were holy, only needed a feet washing, even though they couldn't die and rise with Christ yet, but only Peter had to convert. In the O.T. noone could kick out demons as far as I know. That's why they always had to be killed, to get rid of the evil in Israel, but David was forgiven without a blood offer. Hm dunno.

But He did overcome satan at the cross for us:

Hebreeën 2:14 (NASB95)
14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


Colossians 2

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.


Genesis 3

And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

In What Ways Did Jesus Achieve Victory over the Devil?

God pronounced sentence on the Devil in the Garden of Eden. I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike

www.blueletterbible.org

John 16:11 (KJV)​

Jhn 16:11 KJV - 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

For all the earth had trembled
The sun had hid it's face
And all the men that walked with Him
Had turned and run away
They crucified thy Savior
And laid Him in a tomb
The life that once brought love and hope
Slipped away that afternoon

Satan gleamed with pleasure
That day at Calvary
For he thought he had won
A mighty victory
And like him all of the demons
Of hell began to cheer
O but little did they know
That their end was growing near

You've used an awful lot of words to avoid answering the question here, including making several statements that nobody is disputing.

Jesus gave his disciples authority over "all the power of the enemy". How could he have done that, unless he had such authority to give? And how did he have such authority, if the devil was actually the ruler of the place? If the devil did have all authority over the earth then Jesus didn't have the authority over the devil to grant.

What Jesus did at the cross isn't in dispute here. The problem is that while you're saying dominionism is wrong you're promoting a lot of the statements of dominionism, but then avoiding questions by posting lots and lots of words that simply dance around the issue and ramble on about anything and everything except the question at hand.

 

[Messy]

You are referring to the Son of God being born of Mary as the Angel Gabriel announced, but this does not mean that Jesus was "BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT" with all that is meant by that term and as you've described to us. Those are two different matters altogether.



Where'd you get that notion?

Merely for God to become human accomplished that change.

Why do you think the Third person of the Trinity controls the Second person of the Trinity? Jesus said that the Spirit would be sent to mankind upon his (Christ's) return to heaven, but nothing whatsoever about the Spirit being superior to him.


OKay, but all these references and more that could be identified do not represent what is meant by being "Baptized in the Holy Spirit."


Before he was Baptized, which rules out references to that baptism amounting to getting baptized with the Holy Spirit in the manner that we today see Pentecostals and similar groups of Christians doing.

So you have a proof text for the first of those claims and nothing but a personal hunch for the second ("Luke seems to imply....").

-Yes but He always was with the Holy Spirit and the Father, because you can't split up the Trinity.
- from John
John 5

Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

30 I can of Myself do nothing.


John 12

49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

John 14

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 14:9‭-‬10 NKJV

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Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am

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They sinned against the Spirit, Matthew 12:

Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the [d]blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by [e]Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Hey I never noticed that. Their sons casted them out by Beelzebub, false evil miracles.


- Controls? Superior? The Father, Son and Holy Spirit just worked together.

- What Pentecostals do comes from Pentecost.
Acts
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all [a]with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them [b]divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [k]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”


And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”

3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”

So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”

4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7 Now the men were about twelve in all.

- I copied that from the link. He had more proof texts.


By the way:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
John 14:12‭-‬14 NKJV

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“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I w

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[Messy]

You've used an awful lot of words to avoid answering the question here, including making several statements that nobody is disputing.

Jesus gave his disciples authority over "all the power of the enemy". How could he have done that, unless he had such authority to give? And how did he have such authority, if the devil was actually the ruler of the place? If the devil did have all authority over the earth then Jesus didn't have the authority over the devil to grant.

What Jesus did at the cross isn't in dispute here. The problem is that while you're saying dominionism is wrong you're promoting a lot of the statements of dominionism, but then avoiding questions by posting lots and lots of words that simply dance around the issue and ramble on about anything and everything except the question at hand.

I never said satan had authority over God the Father or Jesus. God said to satan: don't touch Job's life. God is in control. But God could only work through Abraham, Israel, prophets. Most of the heathens served satan and if Israel listened, the heathens got killed. God did have authority, but He had to become human and overcome satan at the cross for us.
Before Jesus came a regular non prophet Israelite could not heal the sick or kick out a demon in His Name.

We were slaves of sin, the old nature got killed, we got the authority back over sin and satan, not over other people. And He said that we have to do the works He did on earth, so whether or not He can just poof do it without us praying (then why say we have to pray Thy will be done?), He said we had to ask Him and we had to lay hands on the sick.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

 

[Albion]

-Yes but He always was with the Holy Spirit and the Father, because you can't split up the Trinity.
- from John

Yes. So? There's nothing about Jesus receiving a "Baptism with the Holy Spirit" in that.

John 5

Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

30 I can of Myself do nothing.

No reference at all to the Holy Spirit there.

John 12

49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

Again, nothing about the Holy Spirit, let alone the Baptism in the HS.

John 14

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

Ditto.

 

[Messy]

Yes. So? There's nothing about Jesus receiving a "Baptism with the Holy Spirit" in that.

No reference at all to the Holy Spirit there.


Again, nothing about the Holy Spirit, let alone the Baptism in the HS.

Ditto.

Yes cause I only answered your questions there.
I already said it's not clear if He was filled with the Spirit at baptism.

It does say:
He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

John the baptist said Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire. That happened to the disciples and in Acts.

 

[Messy]

Sounds like He was anointed for the ministry.

Was Jesus Baptized with the Holy Spirit? by Don Stewart

Don Stewart :: Was Jesus Baptized with the Holy Spirit?

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Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [a]to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are [b]oppressed;

Isaiah
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,

Copied from the other posted link:

Born by the Holy Spirit	Matthew 1:18
Holy Spirit descended on Jesus at His baptism	Luke 3:22
Led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted	Luke 4:1
Returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit	Luke 4:14
Spirit of the Lord is upon Him	Luke 4:18
He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit	Luke 10:21
Ministry performed in the power of the Spirit	Acts 2:22
Anointed with the Holy Spirit	Acts 10:38
Died by the Spirit	Hebrews 9:14
Returned to life by the Holy Spirit	1 Peter 3:18

Acts 10:38​

38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

Acts 2:22​

22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—


Hebrews 9:14
how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [a]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit

 

[Albion]

Yes cause I only answered your questions there.

That's fair. But it also means you didn't have any answers since what you gave me there didn't have anything to do with "Baptisms in the Holy Spirit" or, in some of the cases, with the Holy Spirit at all.

I already said it's not clear if He was filled with the Spirit at baptism.

It does say:
He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

Yes, he does say that; but you understand that this isn't the "Baptism with the Holy Spirit" which was what I asked about.

John the baptist said Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire. That happened to the disciples and in Acts.

The question was about Jesus HIMSELF having been baptized with the Holy Spirit, NOT Jesus baptizing others.

And, as concerns your follow-up with additional Bible quotes, the same fact applies. Being "baptized with the Holy Spirit" has a particular meaning and you used it that way when you started talking about the matter. However, these verses you've referred to in post #78 refer to Jesus and the Holy Spirit in just about every way possible NOT including Jesus receiving the "Baptism in (or with) the Holy Spirit."

That said, it looks like we've used up that issue.

 

[Messy]

Anyway, to expound on the original topic:

This is the abridged adult version. Except no demons. The mermaids entrap the sailors with enticements to love and sex. Except they are mermaids and don't reproduce that way. The sailors are enticed and in the end all the mermaids can do is kill and eat them. This wasn't exactly their plan, because they wanted to be with men the way women are with men, but they couldn't, and their predatory nature took over. Thus they become weeping widows.

Eeeeww