Is the book of Jonah ever quoted in the New Testament?

[NathanH83]

Is the book of Jonah ever quoted word-for-word, verbatim, with the phrase “thus saith the Lord” or “As scripture says” or “As it is written” in front of it?

 

[Lamb]

Should it be quoted?

 

[NathanH83]

Should it be quoted?

Answering a question with a question?

 

[NathanH83]

Should it be quoted?

Does it have to be quoted in this kind of a manner in order for us to know that Jesus and the disciples accepted it as scripture?

Jesus referenced Jonah in such a way that makes it clear that he accepted Jonah as scripture. But did he quote it word-for-word with one of these phrases in front of it?

 

[Lamb]

Does it have to be quoted in this kind of a manner in order for us to know that Jesus and the disciples accepted it as scripture?

Jesus referenced Jonah in such a way that makes it clear that he accepted Jonah as scripture. But did he quote it word-for-word with one of these phrases in front of it?

So it wasn't a question of "Is the book of Jonah ever quoted in the NT" as the title of the thread states....now you've switched the intent of the thread to be about it being quoted word for word for Jesus and the disciples to accept it as scripture. That's an entirely different idea from what your topic subject title suggests and different than what you ask in the OP.

 

[NathanH83]

So it wasn't a question of "Is the book of Jonah ever quoted in the NT" as the title of the thread states....now you've switched the intent of the thread to be about it being quoted word for word for Jesus and the disciples to accept it as scripture. That's an entirely different idea from what your topic subject title suggests and different than what you ask in the OP.

That’s the basic idea of what I’m getting at.
I’m pretty sure Jesus gives clear indications that Jonah is holy scripture without actually quoting it word-for-word.

 

[NathanH83]

But I could be wrong. Maybe there is a place where Jesus or the disciples really do quote the book of Jonah word-for-word. I was wondering if anyone knew of a place in the New Testament where Jonah is quoted word-for-word.

Based on most people’s silence, I’m guessing nobody really knows.

 

[NathanH83]

I’ve heard many Bible teachers say that one of the ways we know that the apocrypha does not belong in the Bible is because the apocryphal books are not quoted in the New Testament with one of these phrases “Thus saith the Lord” or “As scripture says” or “As it is written” in front of it.

And yet, we find that even when Jesus himself clearly and undeniably references the book of Jonah AS SCRIPTURE,
it STILL fails this arbitrary, man-made litmus test which says that it must be quoted word-for-word with one of these phrases in front of it.

Kind of sounds to me like their litmus test is a bunch of bologna.

 

[Lamb]

That’s the basic idea of what I’m getting at.
I’m pretty sure Jesus gives clear indications that Jonah is holy scripture without actually quoting it word-for-word.

I would think that whatever Jesus says is considered holy scripture. I mean HE is the Word made flesh.

 

[hedrick]

Jonah is referred to 4 times in Matthew. The closest to a quote is Mat 12:41

"The people of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and see, something greater than Jonah is here!"

That refers to Jonah's activity as a whole rather than quoting a couple of verses

 

[NathanH83]

Jonah is referred to 4 times in Matthew. The closest to a quote is Mat 12:41

"The people of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and see, something greater than Jonah is here!"

That refers to Jonah's activity as a whole rather than quoting a couple of verses

Yes, this is a clear reference to Jonah. Jesus clearly accepted it as scripture.

But did Jesus actually quote the book of Jonah word-for-word with one of those phrases in front of it?

 

[Josiah]

Jonah is referred to 4 times in Matthew. The closest to a quote is Mat 12:41

"The people of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and see, something greater than Jonah is here!"

That refers to Jonah's activity as a whole rather than quoting a couple of verses

Good point, Hedrick.

JONAH is alluded to a few times, but here JONAH is a person, not a book. Remember, NONE of the Books of the Bible are named in the Bible, WE gave the books the monikers we use (as "we" is FAR from universal, some Jews and Christians have given books different names). Our friend Nathan has countless flaws and false assumptions, but this is ONE (just one) of them: confusing events and persons with the moniker of books.




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[hedrick]

Good point, Hedrick.

JONAH is alluded to a few times, but here JONAH is a person, not a book. Remember, NONE of the Books of the Bible are named in the Bible, WE gave the books the monikers we use (as "we" is FAR from universal, some Jews and Christians have given books different names). Our friend Nathan has countless flaws and false assumptions, but this is ONE (just one) of them: confusing events and persons with the moniker of books.

That would make sense referring to Isaiah. But Jonah is a satire, so there's almost certainly not an actual individual. It's a reference to a specific literary work.

I should note that I don't follow a strict policy of requiring Jesus to quote a book before it's canonical. As far as I can tell, there were two approaches to the canon in the 1st Cent, Palestinian and Diaspora, more or less. For various historical reasons different parts of Christianity picked different ones. My attitude towards the canon has some similarities to the Lutheran one: I don't feel that there's a fixed set of books that are God's words and everything else is man's words. Rather, my tradition evaluates each book separately. But since a large part of the value of the OT is that it creates the context for God's actions through Jesus, I do place a certain priority to the books that Jesus likely used. However I don't feel strongly.

 

[NathanH83]

Good point, Hedrick.

JONAH is alluded to a few times, but here JONAH is a person, not a book. Remember, NONE of the Books of the Bible are named in the Bible, WE gave the books the monikers we use (as "we" is FAR from universal, some Jews and Christians have given books different names). Our friend Nathan has countless flaws and false assumptions, but this is ONE (just one) of them: confusing events and persons with the moniker of books.




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The word “Jonah” is both the name of a person and the name of a book.

Why are you trying to create confusion by bringing up irrelevant technicalities instead of actually answering the question?

Is Jonah quoted word-for-word with the phrase “thus saith the Lord” or “as scripture says” or “as it is written” in front of it?

Your obsession with pointless technicalities reminds me of the person who says “George Washington is not actually ON the dollar bill. It’s just a picture of him.”

Pointing out these technicalities is a waste of time. We all know what we REALLY mean when we say “George Washington is on the dollar bill.”

Obviously George Washington’s dead rotten corpse is not actually lying on top of every dollar bill in your wallet. We don’t need the “Technicality Police” to point out the obvious to us.

Jonah is both the name of a book and a person. Enough with the nonsensical technicalities.

 

[NathanH83]

That would make sense referring to Isaiah. But Jonah is a satire, so there's almost certainly not an actual individual. It's a reference to a specific literary work.

I should note that I don't follow a strict policy of requiring Jesus to quote a book before it's canonical. As far as I can tell, there were two approaches to the canon in the 1st Cent, Palestinian and Diaspora, more or less. For various historical reasons different parts of Christianity picked different ones. My attitude towards the canon has some similarities to the Lutheran one: I don't feel that there's a fixed set of books that are God's words and everything else is man's words. Rather, my tradition evaluates each book separately. But since a large part of the value of the OT is that it creates the context for God's actions through Jesus, I do place a certain priority to the books that Jesus likely used. However I don't feel strongly.

Do you place a priority in reading the books which Jesus celebrated the holidays of?

“Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade.”
-John 10:22-23 - Bible Gateway passage: John 10:22-23 - New International Version

Gee, if my Lord celebrated it, then maybe I should read it.

 

[hedrick]

Do you place a priority in reading the books which Jesus celebrated the holidays of?

“Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade.”
-John 10:22-23 - Bible Gateway passage: John 10:22-23 - New International Version

Gee, if my Lord celebrated it, then maybe I should read it.

Not really. As far as I can tell, that is simply a reference to the time period. It doesn't show Jesus celebrating. And even if it did, Jews can (and do) celebrate Hanukkah without accepting Maccabees as canonical.

 

[Lamb]

That would make sense referring to Isaiah. But Jonah is a satire, so there's almost certainly not an actual individual. It's a reference to a specific literary work.

I should note that I don't follow a strict policy of requiring Jesus to quote a book before it's canonical. As far as I can tell, there were two approaches to the canon in the 1st Cent, Palestinian and Diaspora, more or less. For various historical reasons different parts of Christianity picked different ones. My attitude towards the canon has some similarities to the Lutheran one: I don't feel that there's a fixed set of books that are God's words and everything else is man's words. Rather, my tradition evaluates each book separately. But since a large part of the value of the OT is that it creates the context for God's actions through Jesus, I do place a certain priority to the books that Jesus likely used. However I don't feel strongly.

Nowhere does the Bible state that it's satire. Even Jesus Himself tells it as fact when He stated, “For just as Jonah was in the belly of the sea monster for three days and three nights,...."

 

[Origen]

Gee, if my Lord celebrated it, then maybe I should read it.

John 10:22-23 NEVER states "Jesus celebrated" anything.

 

[Josiah]

The word “Jonah” is both the name of a person and the name of a book.

And they refer to entirely DIFFERENT things. A point you seem to constantly forget.... Referring to a PERSON and/or to an EVENT is not the same as referring to a BOOK that among modern Jews or Christians might have the same moniker.



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[Josiah]

Not really. As far as I can tell, that is simply a reference to the time period. It doesn't show Jesus celebrating. And even if it did, Jews can (and do) celebrate Hanukkah without accepting Maccabees as canonical.

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