I do believe in the Trinity.

[Josiah]

But if you can take a verse out of the kjv and show me that I am wrong, I will immediately change my point of view to fit what is written in the holy scriptures.

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[justbyfaith]

Your agenda aims to spread unorthodox Theology

My theology is biblical and not unorthodox.

 

[Romanos]

My theology is biblical and not unorthodox.

I am going to trust the Church Fathers over your interpretation of Scripture.

 

[Josiah]

My theology is biblical and not unorthodox.

As in "we save ourselves".



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[justbyfaith]

That's because you aren't be persecuted. You came to this site and agreed to its terms when you registered. We accept the Nicene Creed and Trinity (according that creed) as our Statement of Faith. So you see, you came here to persecute US.

No, I came to reveal to you some truths that you are unaware of.

As I said, it is fine with me that you only accept the Nicene creed and are restricting my posting privileges because I don't fully hold to the same belief that you do.

If you want to believe that in this, you are not persecuting me, then go ahead and believe that.

 

[Romanos]

No, I came to reveal to you some truths that you are unaware of.

You’re welcome to discuss in fellowship. But if your agenda is of the belief that you’re going to impart truth and we are all in error, then that isn’t going to be entertained and allowed here.

 

[justbyfaith]

I am going to trust the Church Fathers over your interpretation of Scripture.

Reminds me of a specific instance in scripture...

Jhn 9:28, Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.
Jhn 9:29, We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.

 

[Romanos]

If you want to believe that in this, you are not persecuting me, then go ahead and believe that.

If you believe you are being persecuted, you do not have to stay.

 

[justbyfaith]

You’re welcome to discuss in fellowship. But if your agenda is of the belief that you’re going to impart truth and we are all in error, then that isn’t going to be entertained and allowed here.

Then I am discussing it in fellowship.

Glad to hear that there is fellowship.

That indicates to me that whatever disagreement we may have is not to the point that you do not count me as not being a brother in Christ.

 

[Romanos]

Then I am discussing it in fellowship.

Glad to hear that there is fellowship.

That indicates to me that whatever disagreement we may have is not to the point that you do not count me as not being a brother in Christ.

Yet you speak about sharing truth that we are not aware of. And by doing so, questioning the Nicene Creed.

 

[Josiah]

@justbyfaith


Your humility is amazing (I say sarcastically)

Folks are welcome to dump their odd and (obviously in your case) unorthodox views here. In appropriate places and ways. I don't know about you, but I've found that often people with your prideful self-promotion often fly around from website to website, dumping and then rebuking everyone who doesn't bow before them and worship their odd idea (often not even aware that their new discovery is just an old heresy).

But those are wasting their time if they won't even entertain the possibility that the Bible and 2000 years of Christianity are right... insisting that THEY however suddenly have got it all correct (and God and all people need to acknowledge that).

We are a discussion forum. That requires a degree of humility and respect. And no one will grow or learn if they insist only they know.

This site has a lot of really GOOD people - folks of faith and with a strong knowledge of Scripture and Christianity. And where respect and discussion are welcomed, will engage constructively. People can grow and learn here. I certainly have. But those who come just to dump their old heresies in new wine skins, to dump unbiblical ideas on us as if they are God's appointed Correction Man.... well, folks here quickly get their number and realize time is being wasted and falsehood is just getting a hearing. Those tend to get worse and worse - claim to be persecuted here and insist we're all stupid or satanic - and leave in a huff. Flying off to do the same elsewhere.

I often think that dumpers really don't believe as badly as they indicate... and just need help in thinking things through and even in how they state things. But dumpers just dump. Then run when it's not all scooped up. Typically. IMO. I think we're seeing if you are just such a poster.



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[justbyfaith]

And then you claimed by being out in the Non Trinitarian group, “persecution of righteousness”.

I am of the Trinitarian group (I believe in three distinct Persons in the Godhead).

Even then, why bring up persecution?

It is what it is.

That's because you aren't be persecuted. You came to this site and agreed to its terms when you registered. We accept the Nicene Creed and Trinity (according that creed) as our Statement of Faith. So you see, you came here to persecute US.

I am not persecuting you, I am here to impart truth.

And if you think that limiting my posting privileges because of my point of view isn't persecution, then by all means believe that;

If it helps you sleep at night.

As in "we save ourselves".

Act 2:40, And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

You’re welcome to discuss in fellowship. But if your agenda is of the belief that you’re going to impart truth and we are all in error, then that isn’t going to be entertained and allowed here.

I am here to impart truth, I think that anyone who wants to minister the word is here to impart truth.

But I am not saying that all of you are in error, I am simply preaching theology as I know it.

Yet you speak about sharing truth that we are not aware of. And by doing so, questioning the Nicene Creed.

If the Nicene creed were in agreement with scripture (i.e. Romans 1:3) then I wouldn't question it.

And, I am letting the Bible be the thing that corrects the problem.

But those who come just to dump their old heresies in new wine skins, to dump unbiblical ideas on us as if they are God's appointed Correction Man.... well, folks here quickly get their number and realize time is being wasted and falsehood is just getting a hearing.

There is no heresy in what I am preaching. But as the apostle Paul said, so say I:

Act 24:14, But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

I often think that dumpers really don't believe as badly as they indicate... and just need help in thinking things through and even in how they state things. But dumpers just dump. Then run when it's not all scooped up. Typically. IMO. I think we're seeing if you are just such a poster.

You can be certain that the only reason I might be leaving here is if I am banned...

Know also, that I have declared peace to this website and that if I am banned, what goes with that in scripture will accompany it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Your humility is amazing (I say sarcastically)

Thank you for the accusation of pride.

What it means is, that Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42 are in operation.

I would exhort you to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Allow me to give a short testimony.

At the beginning of my Christian walk I said to the Lord that I wanted Him to produce three virtues in my life as a Christian...humility, wisdom, and love.

Here is what He said to me:

Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

I believe that in the asking of Him for these virtues, He gave them to me.

This conclusion is not based in pride but in faith.

He had to afflict me with a mental illness in order to produce all three virtues at the same time.

Because without my medicine to keep me humble, I would be proud of my wisdom and love.

But as it is, my wisdom is not inherent in my psyche, rather it is the spiritual gift of "the word of wisdom"...

Whereas, in my everyday life, I lack wisdom, even common sense;

Yet, when it comes to application of biblical doctrine, I find myself able to expound on the word quite easily.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you believe you are being persecuted, you do not have to stay.

I am happy to stay for as long as I am welcome.

For in being "persecuted for righteousness' sake", I am blessed.

 

[Lamb]

I am happy to stay for as long as I am welcome.

For in being "persecuted for righteousness' sake", I am blessed.

Except you're the one doing the persecution of the rules you agreed to when you signed up.

 

[justbyfaith]

Except you're the one doing the persecution of the rules you agreed to when you signed up.

You can certainly obey your rules...and I certainly agreed to them when I signed up.

I was merely hoping that, as I said at the beginning of one thread, I could relegate my posts that were in contention with the creeds to the non-Christian section (as I am intelligent enough to know when I am crossing any sort of line), and to be enabled to post posts that have nothing to do with that contention in the Christian section.

Instead, you have me labeled as someone who does not believe in the Trinity and the Nicene creed...which is only partially true.

I believe in the Trinity but have a contention with the Nicene creed to the extent that the Bible has a contention with it.

What you might do is have it say,

Acceptance of the Trinity: Yes.

Acceptance of the Nicene creed: No.

That would be more accurate to the truth.

As it is, I feel that I am being misrepresented by your labels.

 

[Romanos]

Acceptance of the Nicene creed: No.

Then your views are unorthodox.

 

[justbyfaith]

Then your views are unorthodox.

Except that I accept what the Bible says over the Nicene creed's unbiblical statements.

Therefore, my views are in fact orthodox according to scripture.

Also, I am in full acceptance of what is biblical in the Nicene creed.

 

[Romanos]

Except that I accept what the Bible says over the Nicene creed's unbiblical statements.

Therefore, my views are in fact orthodox according to scripture.

If you are going to argue the theological aspects that the site defines, then it’s not going to be welcome here. You’re welcome to believe what you want, but the position of CH is your views are unorthodox and any postings against that idea are disruptive.

 

[justbyfaith]

Then your views are unorthodox.

Act 24:14, But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: