How will God explain this to the saved creation?

[jswauto]

Curious to hear your understanding.

Why do you think Jesus gave us that teaching, what do you think he meant for us to learn from it?

The difficulty to salvation is monumental to the point of impossibility without the Lord. The deceptions of this world and sinful ways are too powerful to resist. It's only by calling on the Name of the Lord, clinging to that Solid Rock do we stand any chance of remaining faithful.

Unrepentant sin has the same blinding effect on people who have accepted Christ.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Revelation 20 does a good job explaining the answer to that question:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

All the saved are in attendance witnessing every detail of that judgement.

 

[Frankj]

The difficulty to salvation is monumental to the point of impossibility without the Lord. The deceptions of this world and sinful ways are too powerful to resist. It's only by calling on the Name of the Lord, clinging to that Solid Rock do we stand any chance of remaining faithful.

Unrepentant sin has the same blinding effect on people who have accepted Christ.

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

This song may help explain his answer:

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Revelation 20 does a good job explaining the answer to that question:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

All the saved are in attendance witnessing every detail of that judgement.

I fail to see how the scripture you quoted explains anything even remotely related to the questions I asked in this thread.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

This song may help explain his answer:

Did you accidentally post the wrong video? Because there is no correlation between that song and my questions. Cool special effects though!

 

[jswauto]

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

This song helps explain the difficulties:

 

[Marilyn C]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Hi LH,

You see Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel concerning those who would believe on Him as their Messiah. It was a `narrow road,` while those who didn`t receive Him as their Messiah were on the `broad road.`

As to Gentiles, people of the nations going their own way, it is because they are born inherently selfish - as you said `appeals to us. And revenge etc can be very appealing. Fighting and wars as James says - `You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. ` (James 4: 2) `Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members.` (James 4: 1)

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Hi LH,

You see Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel concerning those who would believe on Him as their Messiah. It was a `narrow road,` while those who didn`t receive Him as their Messiah were on the `broad road.`

As to Gentiles, people of the nations going their own way, it is because they are born inherently selfish - as you said `appeals to us. And revenge etc can be very appealing. Fighting and wars as James says - `You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. ` (James 4: 2) `Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members.` (James 4: 1)

Why are they born inherently selfish? Who designed things that way?

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Here's the answer you were looking for:



Nothing is left undone with the Lord.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Could a heavenly vision give answers to your question:

The Judgment Seat of Christ

Without responding, I turned and started walking before I could change my mind. It was the hardest thing I had ever
done. I was in the most frightening darkness I had ever experienced. The most terrible fears rose up within me.
Soon I began to think that I had stepped into hell itself. I thought about retreating, but when I looked back I could
see nothing. The door was closed and I could not even see where it was located. Resolving that I now had to go on,
I moved slowly, praying for the Lord to help me. As I did, peace began to grow in my heart.
I then noticed that the dark was no longer cold, but began to feel comfortable. Then I started to behold a dim light.
Gradually it became a glorious light so wonderful that I felt that I was entering into heaven itself. Now the glory
increased with every step. I wondered how anything this wonderful could have an entrance so dark and forbidding.
I wanted to savor every step before taking another.
Soon the path opened into a hall so large that I felt that the earth itself could not contain it. The beauty of it could
not even be imagined by human architects. I had never experienced anything like what filled my soul as I beheld
this room. At the far end was the Source of the glory that emanated from everything else in the room. I knew that
it was the Lord, and I was a little bit afraid as I began to walk toward Him. I did not even think about how great the
distance was. It was all so wonderful that I felt that I could walk forever and enjoy every step. In earthly terms,
that somehow did not relate here, it would have taken me many days to reach the throne.
My eyes were so fixed on the glory of the Lord that I had walked a long time before I noticed that I was passing
multitudes of people who were standing in ranks to my left (There were just as many to my right but they were so far
away that I did not notice them until I reached the throne). As I looked at them I had to stop. They were dazzling,
more regal than anyone I had ever seen. Their countenance was captivating. Never had such peace and confidence
graced a human face. Each one was beautiful beyond any earthly comparison. As I turned toward those who were
close to me they bowed in a greeting as if they knew me.
"How is it that you know me?" I asked, surprised at my own boldness to ask such a question of them.
"You are one of the saints who is fighting in the last battle," a man close by responded. "Everyone here knows you,
and all of those who are now fighting on the earth. We are the saints who have served the Lord in the generations
before you. We are the great cloud of witnesses who have been given the right to behold the last battle. We know
all of you, and we see all that you do."
I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done
anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the
same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with
an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.
"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of
realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much
more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth
what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here
before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.
I then looked at myself. I still had the old mantle of humility on, with the armor under it. I felt both foul and crude
standing before those who were so regal and beautiful. I began to think that I was in serious trouble if I was going to
appear before the Lord like this. Like the eagles, my old acquaintance could understand my thoughts, and he replied
to them:
"Those who come here wearing that mantle have nothing to fear. That mantle is the highest rank of honor, and it is
why they all bowed to you while you passed."
"I did not notice anyone bowing to me," I replied, a bit disconcerted.
"It is not improper," he continued. "Here we show each other the respect that is due. Even the angels serve us here,
but only our God and His Christ are worshiped."

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[Lucian Hodoboc]

Could a heavenly vision give answers to your question:

The Judgment Seat of Christ

Without responding, I turned and started walking before I could change my mind. It was the hardest thing I had ever
done. I was in the most frightening darkness I had ever experienced. The most terrible fears rose up within me.
Soon I began to think that I had stepped into hell itself. I thought about retreating, but when I looked back I could
see nothing. The door was closed and I could not even see where it was located. Resolving that I now had to go on,
I moved slowly, praying for the Lord to help me. As I did, peace began to grow in my heart.
I then noticed that the dark was no longer cold, but began to feel comfortable. Then I started to behold a dim light.
Gradually it became a glorious light so wonderful that I felt that I was entering into heaven itself. Now the glory
increased with every step. I wondered how anything this wonderful could have an entrance so dark and forbidding.
I wanted to savor every step before taking another.
Soon the path opened into a hall so large that I felt that the earth itself could not contain it. The beauty of it could
not even be imagined by human architects. I had never experienced anything like what filled my soul as I beheld
this room. At the far end was the Source of the glory that emanated from everything else in the room. I knew that
it was the Lord, and I was a little bit afraid as I began to walk toward Him. I did not even think about how great the
distance was. It was all so wonderful that I felt that I could walk forever and enjoy every step. In earthly terms,
that somehow did not relate here, it would have taken me many days to reach the throne.
My eyes were so fixed on the glory of the Lord that I had walked a long time before I noticed that I was passing
multitudes of people who were standing in ranks to my left (There were just as many to my right but they were so far
away that I did not notice them until I reached the throne). As I looked at them I had to stop. They were dazzling,
more regal than anyone I had ever seen. Their countenance was captivating. Never had such peace and confidence
graced a human face. Each one was beautiful beyond any earthly comparison. As I turned toward those who were
close to me they bowed in a greeting as if they knew me.
"How is it that you know me?" I asked, surprised at my own boldness to ask such a question of them.
"You are one of the saints who is fighting in the last battle," a man close by responded. "Everyone here knows you,
and all of those who are now fighting on the earth. We are the saints who have served the Lord in the generations
before you. We are the great cloud of witnesses who have been given the right to behold the last battle. We know
all of you, and we see all that you do."
I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done
anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the
same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with
an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.
"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of
realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much
more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth
what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here
before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.
I then looked at myself. I still had the old mantle of humility on, with the armor under it. I felt both foul and crude
standing before those who were so regal and beautiful. I began to think that I was in serious trouble if I was going to
appear before the Lord like this. Like the eagles, my old acquaintance could understand my thoughts, and he replied
to them:
"Those who come here wearing that mantle have nothing to fear. That mantle is the highest rank of honor, and it is
why they all bowed to you while you passed."
"I did not notice anyone bowing to me," I replied, a bit disconcerted.
"It is not improper," he continued. "Here we show each other the respect that is due. Even the angels serve us here,
but only our God and His Christ are worshiped."

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[Lucian Hodoboc]

Here's the answer you were looking for:



Nothing is left undone with the Lord.

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[BruceLeiter]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Angels are God's creations, so they don't need any explanations. There must be a good reason that God doesn't save everyone, but he has chosen not to reveal it to us.