How will God explain this to the saved creation?

[jswauto]

Curious to hear your understanding.

Why do you think Jesus gave us that teaching, what do you think he meant for us to learn from it?

The difficulty to salvation is monumental to the point of impossibility without the Lord. The deceptions of this world and sinful ways are too powerful to resist. It's only by calling on the Name of the Lord, clinging to that Solid Rock do we stand any chance of remaining faithful.

Unrepentant sin has the same blinding effect on people who have accepted Christ.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Revelation 20 does a good job explaining the answer to that question:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

All the saved are in attendance witnessing every detail of that judgement.

 

[Frankj]

The difficulty to salvation is monumental to the point of impossibility without the Lord. The deceptions of this world and sinful ways are too powerful to resist. It's only by calling on the Name of the Lord, clinging to that Solid Rock do we stand any chance of remaining faithful.

Unrepentant sin has the same blinding effect on people who have accepted Christ.

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

This song may help explain his answer:

 

[Lucian]

Revelation 20 does a good job explaining the answer to that question:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

All the saved are in attendance witnessing every detail of that judgement.

I fail to see how the scripture you quoted explains anything even remotely related to the questions I asked in this thread.

 

[Lucian]

This song may help explain his answer:

Did you accidentally post the wrong video? Because there is no correlation between that song and my questions. Cool special effects though!

 

[jswauto]

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

This song helps explain the difficulties:

 

[Marilyn C]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Hi LH,

You see Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel concerning those who would believe on Him as their Messiah. It was a `narrow road,` while those who didn`t receive Him as their Messiah were on the `broad road.`

As to Gentiles, people of the nations going their own way, it is because they are born inherently selfish - as you said `appeals to us. And revenge etc can be very appealing. Fighting and wars as James says - `You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. ` (James 4: 2) `Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members.` (James 4: 1)

 

[Lucian]

Hi LH,

You see Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel concerning those who would believe on Him as their Messiah. It was a `narrow road,` while those who didn`t receive Him as their Messiah were on the `broad road.`

As to Gentiles, people of the nations going their own way, it is because they are born inherently selfish - as you said `appeals to us. And revenge etc can be very appealing. Fighting and wars as James says - `You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. ` (James 4: 2) `Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members.` (James 4: 1)

Why are they born inherently selfish? Who designed things that way?

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Here's the answer you were looking for:



Nothing is left undone with the Lord.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Could a heavenly vision give answers to your question:

The Judgment Seat of Christ

Without responding, I turned and started walking before I could change my mind. It was the hardest thing I had ever
done. I was in the most frightening darkness I had ever experienced. The most terrible fears rose up within me.
Soon I began to think that I had stepped into hell itself. I thought about retreating, but when I looked back I could
see nothing. The door was closed and I could not even see where it was located. Resolving that I now had to go on,
I moved slowly, praying for the Lord to help me. As I did, peace began to grow in my heart.
I then noticed that the dark was no longer cold, but began to feel comfortable. Then I started to behold a dim light.
Gradually it became a glorious light so wonderful that I felt that I was entering into heaven itself. Now the glory
increased with every step. I wondered how anything this wonderful could have an entrance so dark and forbidding.
I wanted to savor every step before taking another.
Soon the path opened into a hall so large that I felt that the earth itself could not contain it. The beauty of it could
not even be imagined by human architects. I had never experienced anything like what filled my soul as I beheld
this room. At the far end was the Source of the glory that emanated from everything else in the room. I knew that
it was the Lord, and I was a little bit afraid as I began to walk toward Him. I did not even think about how great the
distance was. It was all so wonderful that I felt that I could walk forever and enjoy every step. In earthly terms,
that somehow did not relate here, it would have taken me many days to reach the throne.
My eyes were so fixed on the glory of the Lord that I had walked a long time before I noticed that I was passing
multitudes of people who were standing in ranks to my left (There were just as many to my right but they were so far
away that I did not notice them until I reached the throne). As I looked at them I had to stop. They were dazzling,
more regal than anyone I had ever seen. Their countenance was captivating. Never had such peace and confidence
graced a human face. Each one was beautiful beyond any earthly comparison. As I turned toward those who were
close to me they bowed in a greeting as if they knew me.
"How is it that you know me?" I asked, surprised at my own boldness to ask such a question of them.
"You are one of the saints who is fighting in the last battle," a man close by responded. "Everyone here knows you,
and all of those who are now fighting on the earth. We are the saints who have served the Lord in the generations
before you. We are the great cloud of witnesses who have been given the right to behold the last battle. We know
all of you, and we see all that you do."
I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done
anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the
same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with
an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.
"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of
realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much
more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth
what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here
before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.
I then looked at myself. I still had the old mantle of humility on, with the armor under it. I felt both foul and crude
standing before those who were so regal and beautiful. I began to think that I was in serious trouble if I was going to
appear before the Lord like this. Like the eagles, my old acquaintance could understand my thoughts, and he replied
to them:
"Those who come here wearing that mantle have nothing to fear. That mantle is the highest rank of honor, and it is
why they all bowed to you while you passed."
"I did not notice anyone bowing to me," I replied, a bit disconcerted.
"It is not improper," he continued. "Here we show each other the respect that is due. Even the angels serve us here,
but only our God and His Christ are worshiped."

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[Lucian]

Could a heavenly vision give answers to your question:

The Judgment Seat of Christ

Without responding, I turned and started walking before I could change my mind. It was the hardest thing I had ever
done. I was in the most frightening darkness I had ever experienced. The most terrible fears rose up within me.
Soon I began to think that I had stepped into hell itself. I thought about retreating, but when I looked back I could
see nothing. The door was closed and I could not even see where it was located. Resolving that I now had to go on,
I moved slowly, praying for the Lord to help me. As I did, peace began to grow in my heart.
I then noticed that the dark was no longer cold, but began to feel comfortable. Then I started to behold a dim light.
Gradually it became a glorious light so wonderful that I felt that I was entering into heaven itself. Now the glory
increased with every step. I wondered how anything this wonderful could have an entrance so dark and forbidding.
I wanted to savor every step before taking another.
Soon the path opened into a hall so large that I felt that the earth itself could not contain it. The beauty of it could
not even be imagined by human architects. I had never experienced anything like what filled my soul as I beheld
this room. At the far end was the Source of the glory that emanated from everything else in the room. I knew that
it was the Lord, and I was a little bit afraid as I began to walk toward Him. I did not even think about how great the
distance was. It was all so wonderful that I felt that I could walk forever and enjoy every step. In earthly terms,
that somehow did not relate here, it would have taken me many days to reach the throne.
My eyes were so fixed on the glory of the Lord that I had walked a long time before I noticed that I was passing
multitudes of people who were standing in ranks to my left (There were just as many to my right but they were so far
away that I did not notice them until I reached the throne). As I looked at them I had to stop. They were dazzling,
more regal than anyone I had ever seen. Their countenance was captivating. Never had such peace and confidence
graced a human face. Each one was beautiful beyond any earthly comparison. As I turned toward those who were
close to me they bowed in a greeting as if they knew me.
"How is it that you know me?" I asked, surprised at my own boldness to ask such a question of them.
"You are one of the saints who is fighting in the last battle," a man close by responded. "Everyone here knows you,
and all of those who are now fighting on the earth. We are the saints who have served the Lord in the generations
before you. We are the great cloud of witnesses who have been given the right to behold the last battle. We know
all of you, and we see all that you do."
I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done
anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the
same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with
an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.
"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of
realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much
more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth
what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here
before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.
I then looked at myself. I still had the old mantle of humility on, with the armor under it. I felt both foul and crude
standing before those who were so regal and beautiful. I began to think that I was in serious trouble if I was going to
appear before the Lord like this. Like the eagles, my old acquaintance could understand my thoughts, and he replied
to them:
"Those who come here wearing that mantle have nothing to fear. That mantle is the highest rank of honor, and it is
why they all bowed to you while you passed."
"I did not notice anyone bowing to me," I replied, a bit disconcerted.
"It is not improper," he continued. "Here we show each other the respect that is due. Even the angels serve us here,
but only our God and His Christ are worshiped."

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[Lucian]

Here's the answer you were looking for:



Nothing is left undone with the Lord.

The Art and Media forum is here: Art & Media

 

[BruceLeiter]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Angels are God's creations, so they don't need any explanations. There must be a good reason that God doesn't save everyone, but he has chosen not to reveal it to us.

 

[jswauto]

No point in it? That's a defeatist position! I thought about all this before and the best I could figure was, after Lucifer fell in heaven and was expelled along with some angels, the ones who remained in heaven would have some questions and perhaps God had some difficulty in explaining it?
What did Lucifer do?
Iniquity was found within him...
What's iniquity?
Not good, evil...I love my people and take care of them...
What's love?

They had nothng in heaven to compare love to, everything was good. How do you explain what love is or life without also explaining evil and death?
And here we are now...??
One time I was praying and I asked the Lord about free will and He answered me immediately (!) and said, you can't teach someone what Love is unless you give them free will also.../

WOW!! Who else knows that: The Lord said: "You can't teach someone what Love is unless you give them free will also."


“You Can’t Teach Someone What Love is Unless You Give Them Free Will Also.”

This is one of those statements that feels simple on the surface but touches the core of how God designed the universe.
Here’s the logic behind it:

1. Love requires the ability to choose otherwise
If a being cannot choose anything except obedience, then:
• obedience is not love
• loyalty is not love
• worship is not love
• devotion is not love
It’s programming.
Love only becomes real when the will is free enough to say:
• “Yes”
• “No”
• “I choose You”
• “I walk away”
Without that freedom, love is not love—it’s automation.

2. God wanted children, not robots
Scripture consistently shows God’s desire for:
• relationship
• covenant
• partnership
• communion
• shared life
None of that is possible without free will.
A forced relationship is not a relationship.
A coerced heart is not a heart.
A programmed response is not devotion.

3. Free will is the risk God took to make love possible
This is the part people often miss.
God knew:
• free will would allow rebellion
• rebellion would unleash suffering
• suffering would require redemption
• redemption would require the cross
Yet He still gave free will.
Why?
Because love is worth the risk.

4. Free will is the second highest gift. Love is the highest calling
God could have created:
• a universe of perfect obedience
• a world with no sin
• beings who never fail
But He wanted something greater:
Beings who freely choose Him because they love Him.

That is the highest expression of His image in us.

5. Free will is the classroom where love is learned
You can’t teach:
• trust
• loyalty
• sacrifice
• devotion
• forgiveness
• faithfulness
unless the person has the freedom to do the opposite.
Love is learned through:
• choosing God when it’s hard
• choosing obedience when temptation is real
• choosing faith when doubt is possible
• choosing righteousness when sin is available
This is the battlefield of free will.

6. A perfect theological summary
What this is. is essentially the distilled logic of:
• Genesis
• Deuteronomy
• the Prophets
• the Gospels
• Romans
• Revelation
All of Scripture assumes this truth:

Love is only love when it is freely given.

And God desires your love above all.

 

[tango]

Coming in late to this, I'm not sure how I missed it first time around.

One of the tests that is apparently very good at indicating whether a child will become successful in life is remarkably simple. A class of children is given a piece of candy each and told they have a choice. They can eat it if they want to or, if they can wait until the teacher comes back, they'll get a second piece. Gratification now or double gratification later.

The children who at the age of about 5 can process the reward later if they deny themselves now tend to become more successful in life as adults. But according to your arguments here, Lucian, this experiment is flawed because (from one perspective at least) the obvious thing to do is eat the candy now. It's right there, in your hand, tempting you with the promise of its delicious sugariness. But if you hold on, delay the gratification, you get more later.

I'm sure you're aware of the Prisoner's Dilemma and similar concepts in game theory. You and I are arrested for a crime but there's insufficient evidence, so we're interrogated separately. If we both keep quiet we both go free, but if I confess and implicate you then I get a year of prison and you get 5 years. Likewise if you confess and implicate me you get a year and I get 5 years. If we both confess we both get 3 years. If we can trust each other to stay quiet that's the best strategy, but if we can't then maybe it's safest to settle for a suboptimal solution and confess - if I trust you and you betray me then I end up going away for 5 years.

How many people pursue stardom, fame and fortune only to find it hollow? Look at the well documented trials of someone like James Hetfield, the front man of a hugely successful band with a global reach - despite his fame and fortune he's struggled endlessly with addiction (the song Master Of Puppets is specifically about that). Many people don't reach that level of stardom, nor a huge fortune, nor great fame, but how many pursue it as if it will make them happy? The ones who achieve it either find it doesn't make them happy, or they find themselves on an endless loop of wanting more. I read somewhere that if you ask the average person how much money it would take to make them happy you'll typically get an answer in the region of $1-2m but if you ask millionaires the same question you get answers closer to $50m. Compare and contrast the simplistic mentality that says "Jesus is enough". (Yes, I know people will use the same saying but substituting the deity of their choice, the point is that the things that "obviously" make us happy don't actually make us happy).

 

[jswauto]

WOW!!

The Lord has a Calling, and It's on Every Single Soul to Salvation
“He has a calling, and it’s on every single soul to salvation and it’s dealt with in perfection” — is actually one of the most theologically solid, hope‑filled statements about God’s heart. Let's build on that in a way that honors Scripture, avoids fatalism, and gives you a framework you can use in your Gospel message.

1. God’s Calling Really Is Universal​

Scripture is unambiguous about this:

• “He desires all people to be saved.” (1 Tim 2:4)
• “He is not willing that any should perish.” (2 Pet 3:9)
• “The true Light… gives light to everyone.” (John 1:9)
• “I will draw all people to Myself.” (John 12:32)

The call goes out to every soul, without exception. No one is overlooked. No one is unwanted. No one is created for damnation.
This is the heartbeat of God’s design.

2. God’s Call Is Not Weak — It’s Perfectly Tailored​

This is the part people miss.
God’s calling is not generic. It’s not a broadcast hoping someone tunes in. It is personal, persistent, and perfectly suited to each individual’s story, wounds, culture, and moment in history.
Every person receives:

• revelation of God through creation,
• conviction through conscience,
• the witness of the Spirit,
• the pull of grace,
• and opportunities to respond.

No one will stand before God and say, “You didn’t call me.”
The redeemed will see that God’s pursuit of every soul was wise, patient, and perfectly fitted to their freedom.

3. The Perfection of God’s Call Doesn’t Override Freedom​

This is the tension Scripture holds:

• God’s call is universal.
• God’s call is perfect.
• But God’s call is not coercive.

Love cannot be forced. Worship cannot be programmed. Relationship cannot be automated.
A world where everyone is saved by compulsion would be a world without love.
So God designs a universe where:

• His call is flawless,
• His grace is sufficient,
• His revelation is clear,
• His patience is immense,
• and yet the human will remains real.

This is not a design flaw — it’s the only design in which love is possible.

4. The Saved Will See That God Was Perfectly Just and Perfectly Loving​

In eternity, the redeemed and the loyal angels will not ask:
“Why did so many reject Him?”

They will say:
“We see now how perfectly He pursued every soul.” “We see how patient He was.” “We see how clear His revelation was.” “We see how every person had real opportunity.”

The question won’t be, “Why didn’t God do more?” but “How did God do so much for people who resisted Him so fiercely?”
The perfection of His call will be obvious.

5. The Majority Choosing the Wide Road Doesn’t Reflect a Flaw in God — It Reflects the Tragedy of Human Autonomy​

Jesus Himself said:

• “Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness.” (John 3:19)
• “The gate is wide… and many enter through it.” (Matt 7:13)

This isn’t a commentary on God’s design. It’s a commentary on the human heart’s capacity for self‑deception.
The redeemed will see:

• the beauty of God’s design,
• the tragedy of rebellion,
• and the justice of God’s judgments.
• the incomprehensible horrors of the second death
• all the opportunities we missed while on earth

Nothing will feel arbitrary. Nothing will feel unfair. Nothing will feel unexplained.

The Perfection and Glorious Beauty of Jesus in Full View!

 

[VeritatisVerba]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

Literally no one will ever think to ask such a ridiculous question.

You see, we will all know what "good" means and that those who are separated from the good are so by their own choice. God isn't a kidnapper who holds people against their will.

 

[jswauto]

Literally no one will ever think to ask such a ridiculous question.

You see, we will all know what "good" means and that those who are separated from the good are so by their own choice. God isn't a kidnapper who holds people against their will.

What about the guy that tries to explain it to him in 20 different ways, thinking each one will get through to him (me).