How will God explain this to the saved creation?

[jswauto]

Curious to hear your understanding.

Why do you think Jesus gave us that teaching, what do you think he meant for us to learn from it?

The difficulty to salvation is monumental to the point of impossibility without the Lord. The deceptions of this world and sinful ways are too powerful to resist. It's only by calling on the Name of the Lord, clinging to that Solid Rock do we stand any chance of remaining faithful.

Unrepentant sin has the same blinding effect on people who have accepted Christ.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Revelation 20 does a good job explaining the answer to that question:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

All the saved are in attendance witnessing every detail of that judgement.

 

[Frankj]

The difficulty to salvation is monumental to the point of impossibility without the Lord. The deceptions of this world and sinful ways are too powerful to resist. It's only by calling on the Name of the Lord, clinging to that Solid Rock do we stand any chance of remaining faithful.

Unrepentant sin has the same blinding effect on people who have accepted Christ.

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

 

[jswauto]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

This song may help explain his answer:

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Revelation 20 does a good job explaining the answer to that question:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

All the saved are in attendance witnessing every detail of that judgement.

I fail to see how the scripture you quoted explains anything even remotely related to the questions I asked in this thread.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

This song may help explain his answer:

Did you accidentally post the wrong video? Because there is no correlation between that song and my questions. Cool special effects though!

 

[jswauto]

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

That's pretty much the way it seems to me too. That blinding effect seems to have the ability to keep us from even knowing we are sinning while we are sinning, appearing to be the opposite sometimes.

This song helps explain the difficulties:

 

[Marilyn C]

If the road to hell is wide and most people will end up in hell, how will God explain to the saved creation (the elect humans and the loyal angels) that His design is so good that the majority of His creation preferred to act against it?

The free will argument states that we are free to choose. If we are free to choose, then that means that we have several choices. In order to choose, we have to assess the choices and conclude that one of them is preferable to the other.

If the design God came up with for our bodies and for our world is so good, why do so many people choose to go against it? Isn't it irrational to choose something that goes against what would be the optimum design?

For example: if being kind, merciful, charitable etc. is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from being mean, from inflicting pain unto others and from being self-centered? If monogamy is God's design for humans, and this design is good, why do the majority of people feel pleasure from fornicating outside of marriage? If peace and love is God's design, and this design is good, why do the majority of people experience pleasure in fighting, going to war, competing against each other in sports, wanting to assert dominance, and even enjoying simulated fighting such as video games?

These seem like valid questions that the angels should be asking God.

A creature whose design is good should feel good within the parameters of said design. Even if it has free will, said creature should not desire something that goes against its design. Just like we don't desire things that go against our taste buds. You won't hear anyone say that they want to use their free will to taste something that they find nasty. Because it's not about whether we can do something, but about whether something appeals to us.

Hi LH,

You see Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel concerning those who would believe on Him as their Messiah. It was a `narrow road,` while those who didn`t receive Him as their Messiah were on the `broad road.`

As to Gentiles, people of the nations going their own way, it is because they are born inherently selfish - as you said `appeals to us. And revenge etc can be very appealing. Fighting and wars as James says - `You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. ` (James 4: 2) `Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members.` (James 4: 1)

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Hi LH,

You see Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel concerning those who would believe on Him as their Messiah. It was a `narrow road,` while those who didn`t receive Him as their Messiah were on the `broad road.`

As to Gentiles, people of the nations going their own way, it is because they are born inherently selfish - as you said `appeals to us. And revenge etc can be very appealing. Fighting and wars as James says - `You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. ` (James 4: 2) `Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members.` (James 4: 1)

Why are they born inherently selfish? Who designed things that way?